Gordon Keenan wrote:[color=blue]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Ok - Will download it and try.. Will report back on my LINUX-WOW
>>> experience!!!
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Look forward to it. Once you have it installed, install this:
>>
>> [url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url]
>>
>>
>> And you will have access to codecs, a Windows Media Player clone, Real
>> Player and other goodies.
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
> Athlon 3200+
> 1.5Gb RAM
>
> CD Started - UBUNTU starts to load (with the XP sweeping bar effect)
>
> INPUT NOT SUPPORTED on my Flatscreen Monitor (IIYAMA AS4611UT)
> But continues to load and then orange screen appears.
>
> Desktop appears with install icon
>
> Installation starts for real.
>
> Installs fast and up and running with the O.S.
>
> The initial look and feel is dreadful in my mind. Looks amateurish and
> not professional/flashy at all.
> WOW FACTOR = 0
>
> Open web browser (Firefox) and connect to the internet straight away.
> Go to a test site and I need to download JAVA....
> Download it...
> To install it.... I give up after reading the list of instructions
> required.
> WOW FACTOR = 0
>
> Go to the web site Alias provided for some other installation and try
> again (after I have 148 updates come down)
>
> Press the option for restart.. and the system locks up.... Have to do a
> FORCE RESTART.
> WOW FACTOR = 0
>
> Systems starts back up... I'm still trying to install JAVA... read
> instruction required on the JAVA web site... I am not even going to
> bother... a simple double click should install this app, not a typing
> exercise experience I left so many O.S. again...
>
> WOW FACTOR = 0
>
> This is like being back in the early days of Windows, visually
> speaking.. heck installing apps was easier under Windows 3.1 as well!!!
>
> Sorry Alias, I can understand why you may like Linux, but I also stand
> by my comments about the average user and the whole "Look and Feel"
> being so important for large scale user uptake on an operating system.
>
> XP and Vista start up, they are easy to operate, the look good, they
> feel good, they install apps easily enough, they are real no
> brainers!!!! Linux is just empty in my opinion, and that's all we have
> to go on with an operating system.. "Our own opinions" but I have taken
> the time out here to get a feel on how a new users would react.. and I
> reckon they would jump to XP and Vista in a split second....
>
> Overall WOW factor on all counts for me (so far) = 0
>
> It's not ALL BAD NEWS though.... the benefit here for people is - the
> cost has been ZERO! Even the included office application is there for
> free, though it really does not look nice at all!!!!!
>
> I'll sit here with Vista and XP - Happy knowing my stuff works for me...
> but I can still grumble :)
>
>
>
>[/color]

You should have installed Java, Flash, codecs, a WMP clone, Real Player,
etc., from Automatix and then it *would* have been be easy and smooth.
In short, you tried to set up Ubuntu thinking it was Windows when it
isn't. You can also install programs using the Applications/Add Remove
feature that comes with Ubuntu.

Alias

Well for the fun of it, I just tried to install Java on my ubuntu install.

- Start Synaptic
- Search for JRE (or java would have worked too)
- Click on the 4 Java packages needed for java
- Click install...
- Go take a piss...too much soda...
- Come back...accept EULA...
- Done, verify successful via the verification tool on java.com

Yes...mindblowingly difficult.

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Stephan Rose wrote:[color=blue]
> Well for the fun of it, I just tried to install Java on my ubuntu install.
>
> - Start Synaptic
> - Search for JRE (or java would have worked too)
> - Click on the 4 Java packages needed for java
> - Click install...
> - Go take a piss...too much soda...
> - Come back...accept EULA...
> - Done, verify successful via the verification tool on java.com
>
> Yes...mindblowingly difficult.
>[/color]

Even easier with Automatix.

Alias

Alias wrote:
[color=blue]
> Stephan Rose wrote:[color=green]
>> Well for the fun of it, I just tried to install Java on my ubuntu
>> install.
>>
>> - Start Synaptic
>> - Search for JRE (or java would have worked too)
>> - Click on the 4 Java packages needed for java
>> - Click install...
>> - Go take a piss...too much soda...
>> - Come back...accept EULA...
>> - Done, verify successful via the verification tool on java.com
>>
>> Yes...mindblowingly difficult.
>>[/color]
>
> Even easier with Automatix.[/color]

Oh I know, I remove Automatix though usually after I use it to install the
codecs as I have no other use for it really afterwards.

I even removed the Java JRE again because I don't need that either. =)

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I'm only speaking for myself, but when I decided to buy a new system with
Vista installed, I was resigned to paying a minimum of a grand for a good
machine. After researching the local stores and online, I decided that Dell
was at least upfront about the pricing of both components and add-ons, and
their customer service seems better to me. I originally used the build-up
feature on their website and printed out an estimate for a C521. I decided
to call my order in instead, and it turned out that the original estimate
didn't include a dual-core processor. The operator was able to upgrade that
for about $100, and I got 10% off my computer price, paying about $1200. So
far, my system has run well, and I do like the security features incorporated
in Vista.
BTW, the constant arguing between anti- and pro-Vista crowds keeps drawing
me back to this discussion room.
--
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"Richard Urban" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have a friend who wanted to get a new laptop in October. I convinced him
> to wait till Vista came out and was available from the major manufacturers.
>
> In mid February my friend was ready to act. He sent me links to a couple of
> Dell Computers, supposedly set up for Vista. The one my friend really wanted
> had a 17 inch LCD screen and cost about $2400. I was flabbergasted!
>
> I found him a Toshiba with the same size screen, a faster processor, a
> larger hard drive and more RAM in, of all places, Best Buy. It's cost?
> $1499.
>
> I looked at what you could get for the same price at Dell's web site. It was
> pathetic. They should be ashamed of themselves. If they sent it to me for
> testing I would have sold it to someone to use for Windows XP.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban MVP
> Microsoft Windows Shell/User
>
>
> "Gordon Keenan" <gordon@tasystems.org(removeme)> wrote in message
> news:E46E012E-B40C-4BD9-BF35-57F8402B899C@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >I have (over the last three weeks) had the opportunity to work at different
> >places that have recently purchased new Dell Computer Equipment. A few
> >small business's and some home users, so it's been a combinations of Vista
> >Business and Home Edition.
> >
> > My experiences have left me extremely cold on what Dell considers to be an
> > acceptable platform for the Vista operating system.
> >
> > All of the equipment is way under powered for decent use, though I have to
> > say it would be fine for Windows XP.
> >
> > 512MB RAM - it's crippling the system!
> > On-board video - Aero - zero chance of that happening for these users and
> > certainly no WOW factor!
> >
> > The thing is, the people buying the equipment don't know any better but
> > they all said the same thing... Why is the new computer running so slow?
> > Surely it should be really fast with the new vista on it?
> >
> > As I run Vista Business on a dual-core Athlon 5600+ with 2GB of ram, and I
> > find it sluggish at times, all I could do is tell them that in future,
> > they should ask advice before just buying something cheap.
> >
> > As for Dell, a company that is trying to tell people that it KNOWS about
> > computers, they should hang their heads in shame.. but the good thing is
> > that independent computer builders now have a chance of making good spec
> > pc's that will work better for the end user!
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
[color=blue]
>Even easier with Automatix.[/color]

What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?


[color=blue]
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]
Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use![color=blue]
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>[color=green]
> > Even easier with Automatix.[/color]
>
> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?
>
>
>[color=green]
> > --------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]
> Saws are too hard to use.
> Be easier to use![color=green]
> > --------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color][/color]

alt.os.linux.ubuntu

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On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:57:50 +0200, Stephan Rose
[color=blue]
>I don't think its the popularity of the PS, Wii, or XBox hurting the PC
>gaming market. Consoles have always existed to compete with the PC.[/color]

What used to kill the consoles, was the availability of free games for
the PC. What's currently hurting the PC is that the cost of
"recommended" graphic cards approaches that of consoles.

The logic often goes like this...

Do I want the kids to have unspervised Internet access?

Yes, they're old enough to be sensible and it's a boon for their
schoolwork -> put a PC in their bedroom

No, they're too young to face all the strange stuff out there -> put a
console system in their bedroom


As MS can win either way (thanks to the X-box product), there's less
impetus to push the PC ahead in the gaming space.

I'm hoping Vista's Aero fluff will drive Intel and other budget video
chipset makers to up the ante, so that off-the-peg PCs will be able to
run commercial games and downloaded demos, etc.

As it is, games are often peddled by dumb retail as "poison candy";
folks buy a game, it needs more hardware, the shop won't take it back,
so they end up buying a new PC from the same shop.

Hence the nickname: Inedible Confection (for our local dumb retailler,
who are really called Incredible Connection)


[color=blue]
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]
Saws are too hard to use.
Be easier to use![color=blue]
>--------------- ---- --- -- - - - -[/color]

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:[color=blue]
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>[color=green]
>> Even easier with Automatix.[/color]
>
> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?[/color]

Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:

[url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url]

And that will download it and then double click on the download to
install it.

Alias

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>[color=darkred]
>>> Even easier with Automatix.[/color]
>>
>> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
>> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?[/color]
>
> Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:
>
> [url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url]
>
>
> And that will download it and then double click on the download to
> install it.
>
> Alias[/color]

When I click on your link, it says not found on the server?

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Nina DiBoy wrote:
[color=blue]
> Alias wrote:[color=green]
>> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>>>> Even easier with Automatix.
>>>
>>> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
>>> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?[/color]
>>
>> Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:
>>
>>[/color][/color]
[url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url][color=blue][color=green]
>>
>>
>> And that will download it and then double click on the download to
>> install it.
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
> When I click on your link, it says not found on the server?
>[/color]

I'd actually choose the correct package from here:

[url]http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation[/url]

Alias' link, even if it were correct, is a little shortsighted as that is
the dapper package. Fine if running 6.06 version of ubuntu, but if running
6.10 you want the package for edgy.


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Stephan Rose wrote:[color=blue]
> Nina DiBoy wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Alias wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>>>>> Even easier with Automatix.
>>>> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
>>>> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?
>>> Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
> [url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> And that will download it and then double click on the download to
>>> install it.
>>>
>>> Alias[/color]
>> When I click on your link, it says not found on the server?
>>[/color]
>
> I'd actually choose the correct package from here:
>
> [url]http://www.getautomatix.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installation[/url]
>
> Alias' link, even if it were correct, is a little shortsighted as that is
> the dapper package. Fine if running 6.06 version of ubuntu, but if running
> 6.10 you want the package for edgy.
>
>[/color]

Thanks!

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Alias wrote:
[color=blue]
> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:[color=green]
>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Even easier with Automatix.[/color]
>>
>> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
>> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?[/color]
>
> Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:
>
>[/color]
[url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url][color=blue]
>
> And that will download it and then double click on the download to
> install it.
>
> Alias[/color]

I'd be careful just sending him off to pickup the Dapper version. What if
he's running Edgy?

Cheers.

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NoStop wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias wrote:
>[color=green]
>> cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:15:04 +0200, Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.ar>
>>>
>>>> Even easier with Automatix.
>>> What is Automatix? Assuming I'd never heard about it, would the
>>> Ubuntu UI lead me to using it?[/color]
>> Boot up Ubuntu and then Fire Fox and go here:
>>
>>[/color]
> [url]http://www.getautomatix.com/apt/dists/dapper/main/binary-i386/automatix2_1.1-2.4-6.06dapper_i386.deb[/url][color=green]
>> And that will download it and then double click on the download to
>> install it.
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
> I'd be careful just sending him off to pickup the Dapper version. What if
> he's running Edgy?
>
> Cheers.
>[/color]

My bad.

Alias

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user) wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:57:50 +0200, Stephan Rose
>[color=green]
>>I don't think its the popularity of the PS, Wii, or XBox hurting the PC
>>gaming market. Consoles have always existed to compete with the PC.[/color]
>
> What used to kill the consoles, was the availability of free games for
> the PC. What's currently hurting the PC is that the cost of
> "recommended" graphic cards approaches that of consoles.[/color]

I don't think that is exclusively it though. Sure, the price for the
hardware may be a barrier to some. On the other hand, it is the high-level
of graphics, requiring said hardware, that on the flip side makes it
difficult to compete.

If I made a game today that had only half the graphics requirements it is
unlikely I'd ever get it onto any shelf. Sure I could attempt to sell it
online, but that'd never reach the same audience as a store can.

This is as far as the US is concerned that is.
Walk into an EB Games (at least to my latest experience) in the US and you
see a small shelf in the darkest corner of the room with some PC games.

Walk into a major, not even game-focused, electronics store here in germany
and you get a huge shelf filled with nothing but PC Games. I know one store
in my area has almost a 3rd of the length of the building dedicated to PC
games (store about the size of a best buy).

Titles that never existed, nor will exist, in the US...usually made by small
independant local companies. Not up to par necessarily with the latest DX10
features graphics-wise....but with potentially excellent gameplay in
return.

I think the largest problem I see with the PC Gaming market, especially in
the US, that Eye Candy is valued greater than gameplay.

People appear to be happy to shell out 50 bucks over and over again for yet
another sequel to some game for just a couple new eye candy features
(hmm...reminds me of a certain operating system).

Gameplay actually appears to come second place...

I wish I personally was a little bit more graphically inclined to where I
could do my own artwork and I would actaully make some games myself and see
what happens.

Ironically, I can create the most complex 3D CAD models for engineering
purposes all day long...but when it comes to making content for a game,
which I suppose requires far more artistic creativity...my mind goes blank.

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