> Leonard Grey[color=blue]
> Since no one was buying 'Earl Grey'[/color]

Right!

Much Better.

DSH
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"Earl Grey" <Earl@Grey.invalid> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> HEMI, Ken:
>
> I'm sorry that HEMI learned his lessons the hard way.
>
> Backing up before making important changes to a hard disk and using a UPS
> are second nature to most experienced users. And yet the newsgroups are
> filled with posts from people who are unaware of these and other
> precautions.
>
> Somehow we as a user community need to be better at getting the word out
> that a relative handful of simple steps consistently followed can spare us
> from a lot of grief and frustration.
>
> ---
> Leonard Grey
> Since no one was buying 'Earl Grey'
>
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> The catastrophic failure was actually due to Partition Magic 8.0
>>> being about 30-40 minutes into what should have been a 2-3 hour
>>> change when the power went out. You can imagine what happened. I
>>> learned two valuable lessons from that: never run PM on a drive
>>> without an image backup and don't run the PC anymore without UPS.[/color]
>>
>>
>> I'm with you entirely. I go even further than that. I won't even do a
>> defrag except immediately after doing a backup. Yes, I know that modern
>> defrag programs are much less sensitive to problems resulting from a
>> sudden loss of power, but I can't imagine that they can be totally immune
>> to them.[/color][/color]

Today, made these interesting comments ...

[snip][color=blue]
> Our healthcare system is something you'd kill to belong too.[/color]

nope, I'd kill to stop it, though

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> Why is it called _Troy_ and what UPS boxes do you use?
>[/color]
Rhetorical or real question, Spence? Assuming the former, there
were two very small farming communities where the City of Troy is
now, one called Big Beaver, which is now the name of the major E-W
artery, and Troy Corners, only a stone's throw from my house, by
sheer coincidence. These two date from the pre-Civil war and grew
in the post-Civil war era.

Don't know what you mean by UPS boxes. Knowing it ain't
Uninterupptable Power System, <grin> all I can say is that there's
3 Zip Codes, one school district, but two distinct practical school
districts. Troy is a strong City Manager city, with a relatively
weak City Council and a near impotent Major, not unlike similar
mid-west cities of its geographic size, population, and tax base.

Ask away if I've missed what you want to know or give me a private
holler at [email]1throwaway1@comcast.net[/email].

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Zim Babwe made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> Today, Zim Babwe made this interesting comment: Chrysler and
> Vista - Both American Junk......
>[/color]
he he he

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Lang Murphy made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> Jerry,
>
> I guess those of us who don't experience a high level of power
> brownouts or blackouts are lucky. I've got a UPS on one PC
> here... the one my wife uses... but my other PC's are not
> protected by a UPS.[/color]

Lang, your experience and that of many others is why I've tried to
stay soft, and just relate that there CAN be reasons for doing
things differently, depending on the realities of where you live,
what you do with the PC, and your tolerance for pain.
[color=blue]
> As a sidebar, I've been using Diskeeper 2007 (10) for a while
> now and it's pretty cool. Has "new" technology called
> "Invisitasking" that replaces the old "set it and forget it"
> stuff which could really bring a seat to its knees if DK
> kicked off while one was using the PC. The new version is, to
> my eyes, completely unintrusive; I have never detected a
> system lag due to the DK service running.[/color]

What is that, not familiar with it. My two are APC, about $150
each, 20-25 minutes for my PC, monitor, and external HD. Batteries
need to be replaced every 4-5 years as total battery time drops, I
think in the $50 range.
[color=blue]
> And... my comment was not directed at you... you appear to be
> someone who actually contributes assistance in this NG. Unlike
> the OP.[/color]

Thanks, Lang, appreciate it. I have tried to turn over a new leaf
from the flamer and anti-MS, anti-MVP creep I was last summer.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Ken Blake, MVP made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> Lang Murphy wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I guess those of us who don't experience a high level of
>> power brownouts or blackouts are lucky. I've got a UPS on one
>> PC here... the one my wife uses... but my other PC's are not
>> protected by a UPS.[/color]
>
>
> Even without a high-level of power problems, why run any risk
> at all? A decent UPS can be bought for only $60 US, or even
> less. My advice is that everyone should use them all the time.
>[/color]
I investigated a bunch of them, forget all the brands, but decided
on APC as being the most reliable overall and the best monitoring
software for my special needs, which admittedly are extreme
compared to most everyone talking sense in this thread. They're
$150 each, a price well worth it in the short year I've had them.

I reached the same conclusion you did, but sadly, it was AFTER I
trashed my entire system, as I described in another reply.
Basically, it wasn't Windows at all that caused that, it was MY
stupidity, plain and simple.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> Which UPS do YOU use?
>[/color]
APC, $150, great, 20-25 minutes on battery, great monitoring
software. May be overkill if your needs are less, you can probably
get by with Ken's estimated $60 boxes just fine.

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> I do see a marked performance bump.
>[/color]
Spence, since I have all the possible data files I can on D:\ and
E:\, defragging C:\ has very little effect, only very minorly on
app launch times, which I only do once a restart. And, the big
hitters like the pagefile, cannot be defragged. And, I don't do
nearly enough churning on my two data extended partitions to cause
much of a problem. But, exactly the opposite may be true for you or
others, it all depends on how your system is organized, what you
do, and how you measure improvements.

--
HP, aka Jerry

No ---- Real Questions.

Troy, after Ancient Troy?

A Classicist was doing the naming?

Which UPS do YOU use, Jerry?...

Manufacturer & Model.

Cheers,

DSH
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"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> Lang Murphy wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I guess those of us who don't experience a high level of power
>> brownouts or blackouts are lucky. I've got a UPS on one PC here...
>> the one my wife uses... but my other PC's are not protected by a UPS.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Even without a high-level of power problems, why run any risk at all? A
> decent UPS can be bought for only $60 US, or even less. My advice is that
> everyone should use them all the time.[/color]

O.K.

You posted it here.

Thanks.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
news:Xns98EEC60A9D94DReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...[color=blue]
>
> What is that, not familiar with it. My two are APC, about $150
> each, 20-25 minutes for my PC, monitor, and external HD. Batteries
> need to be replaced every 4-5 years as total battery time drops, I
> think in the $50 range.[/color]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
> news:Xns98EE4299DA03BReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...[color=green]
>> I've done software and I know the car biz pretty well. Both
>> are similar in this way: future "models" are ALWAYS under
>> development in a staggered schedule depending on the make and
>> model being updated or completely redone, meaning MS has many
>> products, not just Windows, and it must keep its own product
>> offerings in synch with anything that might partially or
>> completely obsolete them. I would expect that the business
>> decisions can get pretty dicey. But, back to the car biz, the
>> trend is to stop completely redoing an entire vehicle line
>> with all-new everything including drrive-train every 4-5
>> years because it is so expensive and quality suffers on every
>> all-new launch - that's true for ALL car makers, BTW. So,
>> most of the world's car makers are angling for what are being
>> called decade platforms, meaning the basic stuff that is so
>> expensive will be somewhat static and the cosmetics will
>> change, along with feature and drivetrain upgrades as needed.
>> I would speculate that MS is thinking along similar lines for
>> its software. But, eventually, anyone making anything soft,
>> firm, or hard HAS to start from a clean sheet of paper ...[/color]
>
> The only problem I see with this analogy is that every vehicle
> I've been in has a steering wheel, gas peddle, brake peddle,
> gear shift, common seating, standard set of 4-6 tires..... I
> think you get the drift. They chisel out new models, they
> don't reinvent the entire wheel. More times then not, they
> even use the same old frame. With the exception of some new
> trucks hitting the road soon (and now) have they made updates
> to the frame. However, even when they do update the frame
> they TWEAK IT, make it better.
>[/color]
I tried to separate basic design principles of all motor vehicles
for the past 100+ years from the problems associated with simply
redoing an older car. A major new vehicle STARTS at $2B and
quickly goes up depending on a great many factors. Chief big
hitters are design, development, testing, tooling, robots in the
plants, etc., what finance bean counters call investment cost.

As to your last, new trucks with body-on-frame now coming to
market, e.g., the new GM pickups, are so completely redesigned by
CAD and CAE systems that their stiffness is raised 40-50%, which
translates into better handling, less noise, tighter feel, lots
of things. There is far, far more under the cosmetic stuff than
you'd believe. Easy example, there are some 25 computers in my
2006 Charger, talking to each other largely with multiplexed
wiring systems. The exact number of lines of code is secret, of
course, but based on what I knew as long ago as 2002 when I
retired, it is AT LEAST as many as Vista. But, unlike Windows,
which you can restart, people can't pull over and reboot their
cars.

And, no, folks, I'm NOT just spewing babble about Chrysler.
Everything I say is true to a great degree for ALL car makers,
and has been especially effective for the Asians. It is not at
all uncommon for 4,000 pound performance sedans - again, all
makes - to have performance in excess of the halcyon muscle car
days, are absolutely clean, and get 3X-4X the fuel economy. My
Charger, with its ability to shut 4 of the 8 cylinders down,
ditto for the other guys that can do this, CAN get close to its
city CAFE of 17, and I have gotten, 22, 23, 24+ on the highway,
to its highway CAFE of 25.

If you really want to take the car biz into this NG, which is
pretty OT, we should start a new thread.

--
HP, aka Jerry

How about Zero Surge -- any good?

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
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[color=blue]
> Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
>[color=green]
>> Which UPS do YOU use?
>>[/color]
> APC, $150, great, 20-25 minutes on battery, great monitoring
> software. May be overkill if your needs are less, you can probably
> get by with Ken's estimated $60 boxes just fine.
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry[/color]

Nope.

Pagefile CAN be defragmented -- I do it every couple of weeks.

DSH

"HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
news:Xns98EEC6E60AC23ReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...[color=blue]
> Today, D. Spencer Hines made these interesting comments ...
>[color=green]
>> I do see a marked performance bump.
>>[/color]
> Spence, since I have all the possible data files I can on D:\ and
> E:\, defragging C:\ has very little effect, only very minorly on
> app launch times, which I only do once a restart. And, the big
> hitters like the pagefile, cannot be defragged. And, I don't do
> nearly enough churning on my two data extended partitions to cause
> much of a problem. But, exactly the opposite may be true for you or
> others, it all depends on how your system is organized, what you
> do, and how you measure improvements.
>
> --
> HP, aka Jerry[/color]

Today, Justin made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> "HEMI-Powered" <none@none.sn> wrote in message
> news:Xns98EE41CD341E3ReplyScoreID@216.168.3.30...[color=green]
>> Challenger R/T or SRT8 or the rumored 500hp version, so ...[/color]
>
> Nice! Haven't heard about that. I can't imagine the gas
> mileage on that one!
>[/color]
Justin, went to my local Dodge dealer today to start my decision
process on replacing my 2006. Was almost about to have another mid-
life crisis and go for the brass ring, $46K MSRP and all, until my
friend and the sales manager warned me they can be a bundle in a
Michigan winter. Bless you! I have heard of some folks with SRT8s
parking them for the snowy season! Gack! I want drive the car. I
believe my next one with be a 2007 Charger R/T with the Road &
Track Perforance group, which is a 350 hp 5.7L (mine is 340 hp)
with peformance exhaust, engine computer chip, seats, brakes, and
suspension. With all the toys except sun roof and navigator, looks
to be about $36,500, has a $2,500 rebate, and my employee discount
takes out about 10%. Where do I sign that form?

As to gas mileage of 500+ hp cars, who the hell cares? A Viper is
north of $82K and a Z-06 Corvette is around $65K. Don't think
people with that kinda change worry about $2,70 premium, do you?

In the spring of 2009, I expect I'll try another 2-door ...

--
HP, aka Jerry

Today, Ken Blake, MVP made these interesting comments ...
[color=blue]
> HEMI-Powered wrote:
>[color=green]
>> The catastrophic failure was actually due to Partition Magic
>> 8.0 being about 30-40 minutes into what should have been a
>> 2-3 hour change when the power went out. You can imagine what
>> happened. I learned two valuable lessons from that: never run
>> PM on a drive without an image backup and don't run the PC
>> anymore without UPS.[/color]
>
>
> I'm with you entirely. I go even further than that. I won't
> even do a defrag except immediately after doing a backup. Yes,
> I know that modern defrag programs are much less sensitive to
> problems resulting from a sudden loss of power, but I can't
> imagine that they can be totally immune to them.
>[/color]
I actually defrag before my image backup, but I do set RPs and very
I don't have any infections or gargage in my Registry (yes, I know
the dangers, but JV16 Powertools is very good at interactive
control). If something goes VERY wrong, e.g., a long enough power
hit to exhaust my 20 min batteries, I can always fall back to a
previous image and just reinstall some updates.

--
HP, aka Jerry