This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
partially fix one known Vista Bug.

Interested?

Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.

Caution! Proceed with caution, you're about to go on a journey deep
into the bowels of the beast, hip boots and pain medication on standby
highly recommended. Best to set a Restore point prior to messing
around, but this is really a simple anybody can do fix.

What you're looking at now is the Security Policy Editor. This
controls much of what UAC nags about plus other things beyond the
scope of this post. For now the big thing that bugs me and I'm sure a
lot of you reading this is the useless nag screens before elevating to
Administrator level.

First expand the Local Policies folder, then the Security Options
folder and take a big gulp. You may also wish to expand this window to
full screen.

What you should see is a Laundry List of Security Settings. If you
have trouble with other issues it may be worth your time to check out
other polices, like if you have problems with network printers and
DCOM kind of things.

Let get rid of some Nag Screens: scroll down the list until you get
to:

User Account Control: Behavior of the Elevation Prompt for
Administrators.

Note there are three options. The one you want is Elevate without
prompting. This only gets rid of the nag screen (most of the time)
while leaving UAC turned on to do other things which are helpful to
overall security. Click on the Explain tab to learn more. Be sure to
click on Apply then OK or the change won't take.

There is a similar options for standard users that works in reverse
where you can automatically block and just generate a access deny
message instead I would NOT change that.

Now the surprise benefit:

As I commented on elsewhere this afternoon one annoying thing that's
"broke" in Vista is when you copy or move files the progress bar
doesn't always show progress till the very end after the file is
already copied or moved. I only saw this behavior when moving large
files, your milage may vary. Interested if others now get the correct
reaction if they change their UAC setting like did.

I have no idea why, but simply changing the UAC setting I just
mentioned restores the progress bar to normal function...at least it
did for me. Now it behaves much like in XP, showing a gradual progress
bar and a real time remaing countdown as files get moved or copied.
Its still off as far as showing how much time is remaining, way off as
far as being accurate, but that was also broke in earlier versions of
Windows.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:3a2vu21jgvbnklgqvf9e8m6unjaml88v48@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
> mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
> partially fix one known Vista Bug.
>
> Interested?
>
> Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.
>
> Caution! Proceed with caution, you're about to go on a journey deep
> into the bowels of the beast, hip boots and pain medication on standby
> highly recommended. Best to set a Restore point prior to messing
> around, but this is really a simple anybody can do fix.
>
> What you're looking at now is the Security Policy Editor. This
> controls much of what UAC nags about plus other things beyond the
> scope of this post. For now the big thing that bugs me and I'm sure a
> lot of you reading this is the useless nag screens before elevating to
> Administrator level.
>
> First expand the Local Policies folder, then the Security Options
> folder and take a big gulp. You may also wish to expand this window to
> full screen.
>
> What you should see is a Laundry List of Security Settings. If you
> have trouble with other issues it may be worth your time to check out
> other polices, like if you have problems with network printers and
> DCOM kind of things.
>
> Let get rid of some Nag Screens: scroll down the list until you get
> to:
>
> User Account Control: Behavior of the Elevation Prompt for
> Administrators.
>
> Note there are three options. The one you want is Elevate without
> prompting. This only gets rid of the nag screen (most of the time)
> while leaving UAC turned on to do other things which are helpful to
> overall security. Click on the Explain tab to learn more. Be sure to
> click on Apply then OK or the change won't take.
>
> There is a similar options for standard users that works in reverse
> where you can automatically block and just generate a access deny
> message instead I would NOT change that.
>
> Now the surprise benefit:
>
> As I commented on elsewhere this afternoon one annoying thing that's
> "broke" in Vista is when you copy or move files the progress bar
> doesn't always show progress till the very end after the file is
> already copied or moved. I only saw this behavior when moving large
> files, your milage may vary. Interested if others now get the correct
> reaction if they change their UAC setting like did.
>
> I have no idea why, but simply changing the UAC setting I just
> mentioned restores the progress bar to normal function...at least it
> did for me. Now it behaves much like in XP, showing a gradual progress
> bar and a real time remaing countdown as files get moved or copied.
> Its still off as far as showing how much time is remaining, way off as
> far as being accurate, but that was also broke in earlier versions of
> Windows.
>[/color]


Well I'm glad to see you've finally discovered that. We'll make a UAC zealot
out of you yet ;-)

Interesting comments about the progress bar. Not noticed that.

--
Jon

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 04:40:46 -0000, "Jon"
<Email_Address@SomewhereOrOther.com> wrote:

[color=blue]
>Well I'm glad to see you've finally discovered that. We'll make a UAC zealot
>out of you yet ;-)[/color]

Would have discovered it days ago probably if I wasn't wasting so much
time clicking elevate in responding to nag screens. I'm just starting
to snoop around in Vista. I never said UAC wasn't a good concept, I
keep saying it a mindless nag that was poorly implemented. :-)
[color=blue]
>Interesting comments about the progress bar. Not noticed that.[/color]

I wonder why that seems tied in to UAC?

Hi,

Just to note. Secpol.msc is only available on Business Edition and Ultimate
Edition. You can turn off UAC also by going to Security Centre in the Control
Panel and setting to Off. You can then set the notification to off by ticking
"Change the way security center notifies me".

Cheers,
Lara

"Adam Albright" wrote:
[color=blue]
> This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
> mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
> partially fix one known Vista Bug.
>
> Interested?
>
> Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.
>
> Caution! Proceed with caution, you're about to go on a journey deep
> into the bowels of the beast, hip boots and pain medication on standby
> highly recommended. Best to set a Restore point prior to messing
> around, but this is really a simple anybody can do fix.
>
> What you're looking at now is the Security Policy Editor. This
> controls much of what UAC nags about plus other things beyond the
> scope of this post. For now the big thing that bugs me and I'm sure a
> lot of you reading this is the useless nag screens before elevating to
> Administrator level.
>
> First expand the Local Policies folder, then the Security Options
> folder and take a big gulp. You may also wish to expand this window to
> full screen.
>
> What you should see is a Laundry List of Security Settings. If you
> have trouble with other issues it may be worth your time to check out
> other polices, like if you have problems with network printers and
> DCOM kind of things.
>
> Let get rid of some Nag Screens: scroll down the list until you get
> to:
>
> User Account Control: Behavior of the Elevation Prompt for
> Administrators.
>
> Note there are three options. The one you want is Elevate without
> prompting. This only gets rid of the nag screen (most of the time)
> while leaving UAC turned on to do other things which are helpful to
> overall security. Click on the Explain tab to learn more. Be sure to
> click on Apply then OK or the change won't take.
>
> There is a similar options for standard users that works in reverse
> where you can automatically block and just generate a access deny
> message instead I would NOT change that.
>
> Now the surprise benefit:
>
> As I commented on elsewhere this afternoon one annoying thing that's
> "broke" in Vista is when you copy or move files the progress bar
> doesn't always show progress till the very end after the file is
> already copied or moved. I only saw this behavior when moving large
> files, your milage may vary. Interested if others now get the correct
> reaction if they change their UAC setting like did.
>
> I have no idea why, but simply changing the UAC setting I just
> mentioned restores the progress bar to normal function...at least it
> did for me. Now it behaves much like in XP, showing a gradual progress
> bar and a real time remaing countdown as files get moved or copied.
> Its still off as far as showing how much time is remaining, way off as
> far as being accurate, but that was also broke in earlier versions of
> Windows.
>
>[/color]

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:3a2vu21jgvbnklgqvf9e8m6unjaml88v48@4ax.com...[color=blue]
>
> Now the surprise benefit:
>
> As I commented on elsewhere this afternoon one annoying thing that's
> "broke" in Vista is when you copy or move files the progress bar
> doesn't always show progress till the very end after the file is
> already copied or moved. I only saw this behavior when moving large
> files, your milage may vary. Interested if others now get the correct
> reaction if they change their UAC setting like did.
>
> I have no idea why, but simply changing the UAC setting I just
> mentioned restores the progress bar to normal function...at least it
> did for me. Now it behaves much like in XP, showing a gradual progress
> bar and a real time remaing countdown as files get moved or copied.
> Its still off as far as showing how much time is remaining, way off as
> far as being accurate, but that was also broke in earlier versions of
> Windows.[/color]


I've been using that setting to automatically elevate UAC prompts for the
last four months, and I am sure that the progress bar is still broken. I'm
not so bothered about that as much as copying to the same drive taking ages.
Can't wait for SP1.

ss.

> Interested?

Nope

Rich

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:3a2vu21jgvbnklgqvf9e8m6unjaml88v48@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
> mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
> partially fix one known Vista Bug.
>
> Interested?
>
> Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.[/color]

Unfortunately this option (Policy Editors) isn't available to anyone who
bought Home Premium.
It -was- there for XP Home users, not by default mind you, but at least it
was easily enabled via a simple registry edit.

Yea I know, people will argue that it as removed to prevent all us stupid
Home users from hurting ourselves.
Same reason Fax Support was removed from the Home version too I guess?
<sigh>

Just two of the many reasons how upgrading to Vista turns out to be a
downgrade...

While this works on the surface at reducing nag screens, it does actually
bypass UAC features designed to protect you.

When you use secpol.msc to turn off this feature, you will receive the
"other" nag telling you that UAC is turned off. The nag can be vanquished to
a simple tray icon or turned off completely. The problem is: You will never
know if MORE of the UAC has been turned off by malicious software that now
takes advantage of the automatic elevation you are allowing.

Personally, I just turn UAC off (not recommended.) I am capable of
controlling my machine and have done so for years. 30 years, 0 infections
(unless you count spyware... but routine scans remove that also.) Of course,
today is a new day.



"Adam Albright" wrote:
[color=blue]
> This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
> mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
> partially fix one known Vista Bug.
>
> Interested?
>
> Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.
>
> Caution! Proceed with caution, you're about to go on a journey deep
> into the bowels of the beast, hip boots and pain medication on standby
> highly recommended. Best to set a Restore point prior to messing
> around, but this is really a simple anybody can do fix.
>
> What you're looking at now is the Security Policy Editor. This
> controls much of what UAC nags about plus other things beyond the
> scope of this post. For now the big thing that bugs me and I'm sure a
> lot of you reading this is the useless nag screens before elevating to
> Administrator level.
>
> First expand the Local Policies folder, then the Security Options
> folder and take a big gulp. You may also wish to expand this window to
> full screen.
>
> What you should see is a Laundry List of Security Settings. If you
> have trouble with other issues it may be worth your time to check out
> other polices, like if you have problems with network printers and
> DCOM kind of things.
>
> Let get rid of some Nag Screens: scroll down the list until you get
> to:
>
> User Account Control: Behavior of the Elevation Prompt for
> Administrators.
>
> Note there are three options. The one you want is Elevate without
> prompting. This only gets rid of the nag screen (most of the time)
> while leaving UAC turned on to do other things which are helpful to
> overall security. Click on the Explain tab to learn more. Be sure to
> click on Apply then OK or the change won't take.
>
> There is a similar options for standard users that works in reverse
> where you can automatically block and just generate a access deny
> message instead I would NOT change that.
>
> Now the surprise benefit:
>
> As I commented on elsewhere this afternoon one annoying thing that's
> "broke" in Vista is when you copy or move files the progress bar
> doesn't always show progress till the very end after the file is
> already copied or moved. I only saw this behavior when moving large
> files, your milage may vary. Interested if others now get the correct
> reaction if they change their UAC setting like did.
>
> I have no idea why, but simply changing the UAC setting I just
> mentioned restores the progress bar to normal function...at least it
> did for me. Now it behaves much like in XP, showing a gradual progress
> bar and a real time remaing countdown as files get moved or copied.
> Its still off as far as showing how much time is remaining, way off as
> far as being accurate, but that was also broke in earlier versions of
> Windows.
>
>[/color]

"johnm" <johnm@msn.com> wrote in message news:%23pz6qVXYHHA.4000@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
> news:3a2vu21jgvbnklgqvf9e8m6unjaml88v48@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> This isn't another rant. If you're sick of UAC nagging like your
>> mother-in law you can begin to tame it and in the process at least
>> partially fix one known Vista Bug.
>>
>> Interested?
>>
>> Click Start, then where it says 'start search' type in: secpol.msc.[/color]
>
> Unfortunately this option (Policy Editors) isn't available to anyone who
> bought Home Premium.
> It -was- there for XP Home users, not by default mind you, but at least it
> was easily enabled via a simple registry edit.
>
> Yea I know, people will argue that it as removed to prevent all us stupid
> Home users from hurting ourselves.
> Same reason Fax Support was removed from the Home version too I guess?
> <sigh>
>
> Just two of the many reasons how upgrading to Vista turns out to be a
> downgrade...[/color]

..... if you don't have Vista Business or Vista Ultimate, you can achieve
the same by changing the value at

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\System

PromptOnSecureDesktop

from 1 to 0

You can also change the way Security Center nags you after you make
this change. Open up Security Center and to the left you'll see
"Change the way security center alerts me".


-Michael