It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates my
computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for Windows
Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for newsgroups.

The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe Microsoft
is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC. Most users
will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.

Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
deliver on the promise of DreamScene.

Dale

No Dale!

They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
> newsgroups.
>
> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC.
> Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.
>
> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>
> Dale

And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not be
downlaoded automatically.

--
Jabez Gan
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server: File System
http://www.msblog.org


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> No Dale!
>
> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
>> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
>> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare
>> say.
>>
>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>
>> Dale
>

Try to tease us? Yet you complain that it says that it is available? Yes, it
is in a beta form, but it does work great, and it's a nice feature to have.
And as stated before, you DON'T HAVE to install it. Windows won't
automatically install it as part of Automatic Updates.

--
Dustin Harper
dharper@vistarip.com
http://www.vistarip.com

--
"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
> newsgroups.
>
> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC.
> Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.
>
> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>
> Dale

Not to mention the fact that the build they put out was tested rigorously
for stability and is by no means what I would call beta quality.

"Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not
> be downlaoded automatically.
>
> --
> Jabez Gan
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Server: File System
> http://www.msblog.org
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> No Dale!
>>
>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
>>> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
>>> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare
>>> say.
>>>
>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>
>

It will be by Live OneCare.

And I still don't think beta software belongs on Windows Update.

Dale

"Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not
> be downlaoded automatically.
>
> --
> Jabez Gan
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Server: File System
> http://www.msblog.org
>
>
> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> No Dale!
>>
>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Richard Urban
>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>
>> Quote from George Ankner:
>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
>>> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
>>> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
>>> newsgroups.
>>>
>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare
>>> say.
>>>
>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>
>>> Dale
>>
>

Feel free to provide any supporting documentation to your statement.

Dale

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:49D73050-BE9F-4063-9EA9-97FE010B5A37@microsoft.com...
> Not to mention the fact that the build they put out was tested rigorously
> for stability and is by no means what I would call beta quality.
>
> "Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
> news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
>> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not
>> be downlaoded automatically.
>>
>> --
>> Jabez Gan
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Server: File System
>> http://www.msblog.org
>>
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> No Dale!
>>>
>>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>
>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two
>>>> updates my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail
>>>> filter for Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail
>>>> except for newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>>>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and
>>>> OneCare say.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>
>>

You seem to have a misunderstanding about Windows/Microsoft Update.
It is not just for Critical or Security updates and never has been.
That is why there are options for drivers, recommended and other optional
items.
Dream Scene will not be delivered unless the user specifically asks since it
is not delivered with Automatic Update.
Vista Ultimate owners are also far from typical.

"Microsoft is trying to get me to install"
Not at all.
However Microsoft is offering a preview since many are asking for
DreamScene.
Do not confuse an offer with anything more.

Also there is no indication DreanScene is Beta.
No where did I see the word Beta and AFAIK, Microsoft always labels Beta as
such.


--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
> newsgroups.
>
> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC.
> Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.
>
> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>
> Dale

How about the fact that I was one of the beta testers for this particular
Extra and have run the various builds throughout the testing phase for it?

I have the ability to prove that as well if you'd like :)

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:#DU8YjfUHHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Feel free to provide any supporting documentation to your statement.
>
> Dale
>
> "Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
> news:49D73050-BE9F-4063-9EA9-97FE010B5A37@microsoft.com...
>> Not to mention the fact that the build they put out was tested rigorously
>> for stability and is by no means what I would call beta quality.
>>
>> "Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
>> news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
>>> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not
>>> be downlaoded automatically.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jabez Gan
>>> Microsoft MVP
>>> Windows Server: File System
>>> http://www.msblog.org
>>>
>>>
>>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> No Dale!
>>>>
>>>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Richard Urban
>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>>
>>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two
>>>>> updates my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail
>>>>> filter for Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows
>>>>> Mail except for newsgroups.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>>>>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and
>>>>> OneCare say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>
>

"It will be"?

It's not, Ultimate Extras are not counted into OneCare.

Also another product that I beta test actively still.

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:#5P2m8eUHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It will be by Live OneCare.
>
> And I still don't think beta software belongs on Windows Update.
>
> Dale
>
> "Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
> news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
>> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will not
>> be downlaoded automatically.
>>
>> --
>> Jabez Gan
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Server: File System
>> http://www.msblog.org
>>
>>
>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> No Dale!
>>>
>>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Richard Urban
>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>
>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two
>>>> updates my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail
>>>> filter for Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail
>>>> except for newsgroups.
>>>>
>>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>>>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and
>>>> OneCare say.
>>>>
>>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>
>>
>

Agreed Jupiter.

This is not a beta, this is a limited function demo that has been fully
tested and is rock solid.

It does not contain all of the functionality that will be available nor does
it contain all the content that will be available.

Anyone who calls a preview a beta makes no sense. That's like referring to
the office trial editions as beta software.

It is feature limited software, but they won't believe us ;)

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:Om2ri1fUHHA.4796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> You seem to have a misunderstanding about Windows/Microsoft Update.
> It is not just for Critical or Security updates and never has been.
> That is why there are options for drivers, recommended and other optional
> items.
> Dream Scene will not be delivered unless the user specifically asks since
> it is not delivered with Automatic Update.
> Vista Ultimate owners are also far from typical.
>
> "Microsoft is trying to get me to install"
> Not at all.
> However Microsoft is offering a preview since many are asking for
> DreamScene.
> Do not confuse an offer with anything more.
>
> Also there is no indication DreanScene is Beta.
> No where did I see the word Beta and AFAIK, Microsoft always labels Beta
> as such.
>
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
>> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
>> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare
>> say.
>>
>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>
>> Dale
>

This extra has not appears in my Windows update section of My windows Vista
ultimate. I Activated the software a while ago and have been manualy checking
for updates but it still hasnt appeared. I have updated my WSUS server as
well and the Extra update has not appeared on that as well. Any reason I am
not getting this?

Rob

"Dale" wrote:

> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates my
> computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for Windows
> Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for newsgroups.
>
> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe Microsoft
> is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC. Most users
> will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.
>
> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>
> Dale
>
>

do you know where to get dreamscene vids?

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
> newsgroups.
>
> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production PC.
> Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare say.
>
> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>
> Dale

I am on RC2 and cannot get DreamScene : (

"WoW o_O" <startrek.jackson@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:684CF58E-35E1-4A25-9512-DA0083DF9A89@microsoft.com...
> do you know where to get dreamscene vids?
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two updates
>> my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail filter for
>> Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows Mail except for
>> newsgroups.
>>
>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a production
>> PC. Most users will automatically install whatever Microsoft and OneCare
>> say.
>>
>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>
>> Dale
>

No, I am not talking about betas. I am talking about "Preview". Tell me
what you know about the Preview version and how you know it.

Dale

"Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
news:DE5B3606-7E7A-487A-B9FE-F655D82DFF9A@microsoft.com...
> How about the fact that I was one of the beta testers for this particular
> Extra and have run the various builds throughout the testing phase for it?
>
> I have the ability to prove that as well if you'd like :)
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:#DU8YjfUHHA.3592@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Feel free to provide any supporting documentation to your statement.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Shane Nokes" <Morpheus_Phreak@nospam.msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:49D73050-BE9F-4063-9EA9-97FE010B5A37@microsoft.com...
>>> Not to mention the fact that the build they put out was tested
>>> rigorously for stability and is by no means what I would call beta
>>> quality.
>>>
>>> "Jabez Gan [MVP]" <mingteikg@blizNOSPAMhosting.com> wrote in message
>>> news:E99B27E4-356F-4088-A57F-6A3921D1F9E2@microsoft.com...
>>>> And Dale, the preview is not categorized as "Criticle", thus it will
>>>> not be downlaoded automatically.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jabez Gan
>>>> Microsoft MVP
>>>> Windows Server: File System
>>>> http://www.msblog.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e6PCW%23dUHHA.4668@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> No Dale!
>>>>>
>>>>> They are responding the the many who are saying "Where Is It".
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Urban
>>>>> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
>>>>> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>>>>>
>>>>> Quote from George Ankner:
>>>>> If you knew as much as you think you know,
>>>>> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>>>> news:uMiSPncUHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> It seems Microsoft is deploying beta software by Windows Update now.
>>>>>> Windows Live OneCare informed me this morning that there are two
>>>>>> updates my computer "needs". First is an update for the junk e-mail
>>>>>> filter for Windows Mail. I agree, even though I don't use Windows
>>>>>> Mail except for newsgroups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The second update is Windows DreamScene Preview. I cannot believe
>>>>>> Microsoft is trying to get me to install beta software on a
>>>>>> production PC. Most users will automatically install whatever
>>>>>> Microsoft and OneCare say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I guess they are just trying to tease us since they still can't
>>>>>> deliver on the promise of DreamScene.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>
>>