why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?

Ritter197 wrote this, with guidance from inner voices:
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> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?[/color]

Because they made a web based forum, no Win7 group on
microsoft.public.windows

There is an alt.windows7.general, but I don't think msnews(or whatever the
standard server is for Windows Live Mail) has alt groups.

You would need to add a new server, plenty are free.
news.x-privat.org is an example (all you need is to register).

Here are some others
[url]http://www.xmarks.com/site/news.aioe.org/[/url]

--
Vita brevis breviter in brevi finietur,
Mors venit velociter quae neminem veretur.

MSFT hasn't created any Win 7 groups on their news server.
They may not ever, as they seem to now prefer forums.
[url]http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/w7itpro/[/url]

Other forums are:
[url]http://www.sevenforums.com[/url]
[url]http://forums.mydigitallife.info/forumdisplay.php?f=16[/url]
[url]http://www.w7forums.com/[/url]
[url]http://windows7forums.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.windowsbbs.com/windows-7/[/url]


--
Windows 7 Ultimate
[url]http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview[/url]
[url]http://download.live.com/wlmail[/url]


"Ritter197" <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eVxzxEjaKHA.3992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?[/color]

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
<Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
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> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?[/color]


Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
decision, not mine.

However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
here's one free news server that does: aioe.org


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

--->[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?[/color]
>
>
> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
> decision, not mine.
>
> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>
>[/color]

Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.

Questor

On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> --->[color=green]
> > On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
> > <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> >> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?[/color]
> >
> >
> > Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
> > unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
> > web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
> > efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
> > decision, not mine.
> >
> > However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
> > alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
> > here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
> >
> >[/color]
>
> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
> like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
> NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.[/color]


To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
*much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
want to reply to.

The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

--->[color=blue]
> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> --->[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
>>> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>
>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
>>> decision, not mine.
>>>
>>> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
>>> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
>>> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it too. I
>> like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep track of many
>> NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a browser. Darn shame.[/color]
>
>
> To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
> messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
> result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
> *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
> want to reply to.
>
> The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
>[/color]

Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore" extension.
If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it. "Stacked view"
is good too for arranging all the posts.

Later,

Q

Questor wrote:[color=blue]
> --->[color=green]
>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> --->
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
>>>> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
>>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
>>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
>>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
>>>> decision, not mine.
>>>> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
>>>> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
>>>> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>>>>
>>> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it
>>> too. I like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep
>>> track of many NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a
>>> browser. Darn shame.[/color]
>>
>>
>> To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
>> messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
>> result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
>> *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
>> want to reply to.
>>
>> The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
>>[/color]
>
> Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore" extension.
> If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it. "Stacked view" is
> good too for arranging all the posts.
>
> Later,
>
> Q[/color]



Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
infect the public NG's?

Dave T.

--->[color=blue]
> Questor wrote:[color=green]
>> --->[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --->
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
>>>>> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
>>>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
>>>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
>>>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
>>>>> decision, not mine.
>>>>> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
>>>>> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
>>>>> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it
>>>> too. I like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep
>>>> track of many NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a
>>>> browser. Darn shame.
>>>
>>>
>>> To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
>>> messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
>>> result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
>>> *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
>>> want to reply to.
>>>
>>> The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore"
>> extension. If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it.
>> "Stacked view" is good too for arranging all the posts.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Q[/color]
>
>
>
> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
> infect the public NG's?
>
> Dave T.[/color]

Doubtful; but one never knows. I suspect that a web-based interface is
much easier to implement and maintain than a NG.

Q

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800
"Dave T." <Dave@domaine.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
> infect the public NG's?[/color]

I'd say the reasoning was its easier to place advertisements on web
based forums.
--
Patrick in IL.

Dave T. wrote:[color=blue]
> Questor wrote:[color=green]
>> --->[color=darkred]
>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> --->
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
>>>>> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
>>>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
>>>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
>>>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
>>>>> decision, not mine.
>>>>> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
>>>>> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet), but
>>>>> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it
>>>> too. I like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep
>>>> track of many NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a
>>>> browser. Darn shame.
>>>
>>>
>>> To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
>>> messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
>>> result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
>>> *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
>>> want to reply to.
>>>
>>> The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore"
>> extension. If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it.
>> "Stacked view" is good too for arranging all the posts.
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Q[/color]
>
>
>
> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
> infect the public NG's?
>
> Dave T.[/color]

No, it isn't at all. MS has been planning to go web for years and even
have a "bridge" so you can access them via Windows Live Mail. The "long
list of trolls" has been around MS newsgroups since Win 98.

Alias

Patrick Phillips wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800
> "Dave T." <Dave@domaine.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
>> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
>> infect the public NG's?[/color]
>
> I'd say the reasoning was its easier to place advertisements on web
> based forums.
> --
> Patrick in IL.[/color]

Not to mention the control that MS has with web forums.

Alias

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Dave T. wrote:[color=green]
>> Questor wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> --->
>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:32:58 -0500, Questor <Questor@minimoe.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> --->
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:31:21 -0500, "Ritter197"
>>>>>> <Ritter197@Comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
>>>>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
>>>>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
>>>>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
>>>>>> decision, not mine.
>>>>>> However there is at least one non-Microsoft Windows 7 newsgroup:
>>>>>> alt-windows7.general. Not all servers carry it (at least not yet),
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> here's one free news server that does: aioe.org
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ken. I am sorry to hear your assessment, but I agree with it
>>>>> too. I like NGs much better than web-based-anythings. I can keep
>>>>> track of many NGs using Thunderbird that I just can't with a
>>>>> browser. Darn shame.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To me the main difference is that a newsreader can download all the
>>>> messages at once, not one at a time, the way a browser does. The
>>>> result is that I can go through the downloaded messages in a newsgroup
>>>> *much* faster than in a browser, and quickly pick out those I can or
>>>> want to reply to.
>>>>
>>>> The difference in how long it takes me is at least two to one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yep. And Thunderbird also has the "Right-click watch/ignore"
>>> extension. If I don't' want to deal with it I just 'ignore' it.
>>> "Stacked view" is good too for arranging all the posts.
>>>
>>> Later,
>>>
>>> Q[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
>> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
>> infect the public NG's?
>>
>> Dave T.[/color]
>
> No, it isn't at all. MS has been planning to go web for years and even
> have a "bridge" so you can access them via Windows Live Mail. The "long
> list of trolls" has been around MS newsgroups since Win 98.
>
> Alias[/color]

And you are at the top of that list. Your days of trolling are numbered
you POS spamming trolling linturd asshole loser.
Eat **** and die cock sucker.

On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:15:13 -0800, "Dave T." <Dave@domaine.invalid>
wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >>>>> why no Windows 7 account or folder or category here yet?
> >>>>> This is MS and they do not have Anything here about Win7?
> >>>>
> >>>> Microsoft has no Windows 7 newsgroups. And unfortunately it's highly
> >>>> unlikely that there will be. Apparently Microsoft has decided that
> >>>> web-based forums are better than newsgroups and they are putting their
> >>>> efforts there. I'm personally sorry that's the case, but it's their
> >>>> decision, not mine.[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Is it reasonable to assume that the blame for this decision from
> Microsoft can be laid at the feet of that long list of trolls that
> infect the public NG's?[/color]


No, I don't think so. I don't know why Microsoft made this decision or
any other decision, and I'm not willing to make any assumptions about
why they do anything they do. Your view that the long list of trolls
are to blame is a reasonable guess, but a guess is a long way from an
assumption.

And personally, my view is that there were other better ways to deal
with trolls, and what they did wasn't necessary. So that's not even my
guess.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Frank wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:[/color][/color][/color]

<snipped>

You two are still humping legs I see.