Hi Dave,

Thank you for your message.

Actually I do not get any error message. WMP 12 just stalls. Nothing
happens.

Thks again for yr kind help.

Best rgds,
Daniel


"Dave-UK" <Here@home> a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
[email]ew2iKfvWKHA.504@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=blue]
>
> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
> news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>
>>
>> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks like
>> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>
>> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it can play
>> DVDs ?
>>[/color]
>
> What happens when you try to play an mpeg file?
> Do you get an error message ?
>
>[/color]

Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
--


"Don't pick a fight with an old man.
If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."


"Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>
>
> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks like
> PowerDVD or similar application.
>
> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it can play
> DVDs ?
>
> brgds,
> Daniel
>
>
> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked Applications.
>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch DVD's.
>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with PowerDVD, but
>> when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to reinstall
>> it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>
>>
>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>
>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the upgrade to
>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that one, so it
>>> seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>
>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the feeling
>>> I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I am not sure of
>>> anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec pack in WMP to
>>> allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>
>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg file?
>>>
>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I just
>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I have the
>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>> best,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>>> discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>> Daniel,
>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2 files?
>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format. None of the
>>>> Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to have
>>>> PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to reinstall it when
>>>> you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and install it.
>>>> You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media Player
>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to decode
>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is this is
>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."[/color][/color][/color]

Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
you have been really kind and helpful.

Best,
Daniel

"Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=blue]
> Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
> newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> --
>
>
> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>
>
> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
> news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>
>>
>> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks like
>> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>
>> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it can play
>> DVDs ?
>>
>> brgds,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked Applications.
>>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch DVD's.
>>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with PowerDVD,
>>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>
>>>
>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>>
>>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the upgrade to
>>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
>>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that one, so
>>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>>
>>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I am not
>>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec pack in
>>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>>
>>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>>>> file?
>>>>
>>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I just
>>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I have the
>>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>>> best,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2 files?
>>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format. None of
>>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to
>>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to reinstall it
>>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and install
>>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media Player
>>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to decode
>>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
>>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is this is
>>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

Daniel Hi
This link is for a codec pack that supports mpeg and has some excellent
reading material on the site. 'Windows 7 Codecs'
([url]http://www.windows7update.com/Windows7codecs.html[/url]) It is by the same
company which makes the vista codec packs. Might be worth a try. If you
do I would suggest to install it with default settings. The download
link is at the bottom of the page.


--
karnyks22
Posted via [url]http://www.vistaheads.com[/url]

Hello Karnyk22,

many thanks for your kind help.

I will install that pack and keep you posted on the results.

tks again,
Brgds,
Daniel



"karnyks22" <karnyks22.410voc@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com> a écrit dans le
message de groupe de discussion :
[email]karnyks22.410voc@no-mx.forums.vistaheads.com[/email]...[color=blue]
>
> Daniel Hi
> This link is for a codec pack that supports mpeg and has some excellent
> reading material on the site. 'Windows 7 Codecs'
> ([url]http://www.windows7update.com/Windows7codecs.html[/url]) It is by the same
> company which makes the vista codec packs. Might be worth a try. If you
> do I would suggest to install it with default settings. The download
> link is at the bottom of the page.
>
>
> --
> karnyks22
> Posted via [url]http://www.vistaheads.com[/url]
>[/color]

Hi Daniel:
Has your issue been solved?
I had a little trouble following the thread.

The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to underlying
architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
directshow, media foundations to name a couple.

I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media Foundation
to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.

Can you restate your problem for me?

Thanks
Kevin Larkin (MS)


"Daniel" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi Michael,
>
> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
> you have been really kind and helpful.
>
> Best,
> Daniel
>
> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=green]
> > Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
> > newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
> > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
> >
> >
> > "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
> > news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> >> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
> >>
> >>
> >> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks like
> >> PowerDVD or similar application.
> >>
> >> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it can play
> >> DVDs ?
> >>
> >> brgds,
> >> Daniel
> >>
> >>
> >> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
> >> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked Applications.
> >>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch DVD's.
> >>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with PowerDVD,
> >>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
> >>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
> >>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
> >>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
> >>>>
> >>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the upgrade to
> >>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
> >>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
> >>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
> >>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that one, so
> >>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
> >>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I am not
> >>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec pack in
> >>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
> >>>> file?
> >>>>
> >>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I just
> >>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
> >>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I have the
> >>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
> >>>> best,
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
> >>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
> >>>>> Daniel,
> >>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2 files?
> >>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format. None of
> >>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to
> >>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to reinstall it
> >>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and install
> >>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media Player
> >>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
> >>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to decode
> >>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
> >>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is this is
> >>>>> installed incorrectly.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
> >>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
> .
>[/color]

Here's his original post.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi everybody,

I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Eveything seems OK except for Windows
Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.

is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download some
kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?

many thks in advance for your kind help.

with best regards,

Daniel

"KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hi Daniel:
> Has your issue been solved?
> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>
> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
> underlying
> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>
> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
> Foundation
> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>
> Can you restate your problem for me?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin Larkin (MS)[/color]

Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original message.

here it is anyway.

Qte
Hi everybody,

I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for Windows
Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.

is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download some
kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?

Unqte

so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality, actually),
but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.

Thank you very much for your time and kind help.

With Best regards,

Daniel

"KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message
de groupe de discussion :
[email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...[color=blue]
> Hi Daniel:
> Has your issue been solved?
> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>
> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
> underlying
> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>
> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
> Foundation
> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>
> Can you restate your problem for me?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>
>
> "Daniel" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>
>> Best,
>> Daniel
>>
>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=darkred]
>> > Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>> > newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>> > --
>> >
>> >
>> > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>> >
>> >
>> > "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>> > news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>> >> like
>> >> PowerDVD or similar application.
>> >>
>> >> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it can
>> >> play
>> >> DVDs ?
>> >>
>> >> brgds,
>> >> Daniel
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>> >> de
>> >> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> >>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked
>> >>> Applications.
>> >>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>> >>> DVD's.
>> >>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with PowerDVD,
>> >>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>> >>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> >>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>> >>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the upgrade
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>> >>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
>> >>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>> >>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that one,
>> >>>> so
>> >>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>> >>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I am
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec pack in
>> >>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>> >>>> file?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I just
>> >>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>> >>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I have
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>> >>>> best,
>> >>>> Daniel
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>> >>>> groupe
>> >>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>> >>>>> Daniel,
>> >>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>> >>>>> files?
>> >>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format. None of
>> >>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to
>> >>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to reinstall
>> >>>>> it
>> >>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>> >>>>> install
>> >>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media Player
>> >>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>> >>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>> >>>>> decode
>> >>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
>> >>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is this
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> installed incorrectly.
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> >>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>> >
>> >[/color]
>> .
>>[/color][/color]

Please repost you Windows 7 related inquiry in the Windows 7 Answers
Forum: [url]http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7music/threads[/url]


Daniel wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original message.
>
> here it is anyway.
>
> Qte
> Hi everybody,
>
> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
> Windows
> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>
> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
> some
> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>
> Unqte
>
> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>
> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>
> With Best regards,
>
> Daniel
>
> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
> message de groupe de discussion :
> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...[color=green]
>> Hi Daniel:
>> Has your issue been solved?
>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>
>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>> underlying
>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>
>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>> Foundation
>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>
>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>
>>
>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>> > Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>> > newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>> > -- >
>>> >
>>> > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>> > news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>> >> like
>>> >> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>> >>
>>> >> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>> can >> play
>>> >> DVDs ?
>>> >>
>>> >> brgds,
>>> >> Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>> groupe >> de
>>> >> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> >>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>> Applications.
>>> >>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>> >>> DVD's.
>>> >>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>> PowerDVD,
>>> >>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>> >>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>> >>> -- >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> >>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>> >>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>> >>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
>>> >>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>> >>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>> one, >>>> so
>>> >>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>> >>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>> am >>>> not
>>> >>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>> pack in
>>> >>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>>> >>>> file?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>> just
>>> >>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>> >>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>> have >>>> the
>>> >>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>> >>>> best,
>>> >>>> Daniel
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>> >>>> groupe
>>> >>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>> >>>>> Daniel,
>>> >>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>> >>>>> files?
>>> >>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>> None of
>>> >>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to
>>> >>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>> >>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>> >>>>> install
>>> >>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>> Player
>>> >>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>> >>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>> >>>>> decode
>>> >>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
>>> >>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>> this >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> >>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> .
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Beware of some Codec packs that contain malware, and of course WMP may
not play some items that are copyright.

If all else fails for things WMP can't handle VLC Media Player seems
very good and comes more or less with their own codecs already present.

[url]http://www.videolan.org/vlc/[/url]

For the time being that would be better than getting bad codecs from
somewhere.

Daniel wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original message.
>
> here it is anyway.
>
> Qte
> Hi everybody,
>
> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
> Windows
> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>
> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
> some
> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>
> Unqte
>
> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>
> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>
> With Best regards,
>
> Daniel
>
> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
> message de groupe de discussion :
> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...[color=green]
>> Hi Daniel:
>> Has your issue been solved?
>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>
>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>> underlying
>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>
>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>> Foundation
>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>
>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>
>>
>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>> > Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>> > newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>> > -- >
>>> >
>>> > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>> > news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>> >> like
>>> >> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>> >>
>>> >> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>> can >> play
>>> >> DVDs ?
>>> >>
>>> >> brgds,
>>> >> Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>> groupe >> de
>>> >> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>> >>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>> Applications.
>>> >>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>> >>> DVD's.
>>> >>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>> PowerDVD,
>>> >>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>> >>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>> >>> -- >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> >>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>> >>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>> >>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember). And,
>>> >>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>> >>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>> one, >>>> so
>>> >>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>> >>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>> am >>>> not
>>> >>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>> pack in
>>> >>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>>> >>>> file?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>> just
>>> >>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>> >>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>> have >>>> the
>>> >>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>> >>>> best,
>>> >>>> Daniel
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>> >>>> groupe
>>> >>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>> >>>>> Daniel,
>>> >>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>> >>>>> files?
>>> >>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>> None of
>>> >>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen to
>>> >>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>> >>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>> >>>>> install
>>> >>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>> Player
>>> >>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>> >>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>> >>>>> decode
>>> >>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though. Inexperienced
>>> >>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>> this >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>> >>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>> >
>>> >
>>> .
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Hi Charlie,

Thank you so much for your message.


As you suggested I downloaded VLC, which can indeed play all these files.
However, when it comes to playing DVD, I find the difference to be huge:
Windows Media Player is much better.
This why I would have liked to "repair" WMP to see what results I get when
playing mpg/mpeg files.
Is it possible to reinstall it?

with brgds,
Daniel

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : OxF#8hYXKHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Beware of some Codec packs that contain malware, and of course WMP may not
> play some items that are copyright.
>
> If all else fails for things WMP can't handle VLC Media Player seems very
> good and comes more or less with their own codecs already present.
>
> [url]http://www.videolan.org/vlc/[/url]
>
> For the time being that would be better than getting bad codecs from
> somewhere.
>
> Daniel wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original
>> message.
>>
>> here it is anyway.
>>
>> Qte
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
>> Windows
>> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>>
>> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
>> some
>> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>>
>> Unqte
>>
>> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
>> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>>
>> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>>
>> With Best regards,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
>> message de groupe de discussion :
>> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...[color=darkred]
>>> Hi Daniel:
>>> Has your issue been solved?
>>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>>
>>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>>> underlying
>>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>>
>>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>>> Foundation
>>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>>
>>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>>>> de
>>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>> > Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>>> > newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>>> > -- >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>> > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>> > news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> >> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>>> can >> play
>>>> >> DVDs ?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> brgds,
>>>> >> Daniel
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>> groupe >> de
>>>> >> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> >>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>>> Applications.
>>>> >>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>>> >>> DVD's.
>>>> >>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>>> PowerDVD,
>>>> >>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>>> >>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>>> >>> -- >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>> >>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>> >>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> >>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>>> >>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>>> >>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember).
>>>> >>>> And,
>>>> >>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>>> >>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>>> one, >>>> so
>>>> >>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>>> >>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>>> am >>>> not
>>>> >>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>>> pack in
>>>> >>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>>>> >>>> file?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>>> just
>>>> >>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>>> >>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>>> have >>>> the
>>>> >>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>>> >>>> best,
>>>> >>>> Daniel
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>> >>>> groupe
>>>> >>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>> >>>>> Daniel,
>>>> >>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>>> >>>>> files?
>>>> >>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>>> None of
>>>> >>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen
>>>> >>>>> to
>>>> >>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>>> >>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>>> >>>>> install
>>>> >>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>>> Player
>>>> >>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>>> >>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>>> >>>>> decode
>>>> >>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though.
>>>> >>>>> Inexperienced
>>>> >>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>>> this >>>>> is
>>>> >>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>> >>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> .
>>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Daniel.
I was hoping your problem would be fixed by now. This link may give you
some information to help. It is for vista though. '@ScottW How-To Geek
Forums' ([url]http://www.howtogeek.com/forum/topic/scottw-6#post-78449[/url])


--
karnyks22
Posted via [url]http://www.vistaheads.com[/url]

Reinstalling WMP is possible in Windows 7 (I think somewhere in Control
Panel - Programs and Features), but it's unlikely that this will fix the
problem. The MPEG codec isn't part of WMP, but of the OS itself.

Did you install any codec packs? If so, try removing these. They are no
good and problems like this can occur when installing them.

Regards

--
Tim De Baets
[url]http://www.bm-productions.tk[/url]

Daniel wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi Charlie,
>
> Thank you so much for your message.
>
>
> As you suggested I downloaded VLC, which can indeed play all these files.
> However, when it comes to playing DVD, I find the difference to be huge:
> Windows Media Player is much better.
> This why I would have liked to "repair" WMP to see what results I get when
> playing mpg/mpeg files.
> Is it possible to reinstall it?
>
> with brgds,
> Daniel
>
> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
> discussion : OxF#8hYXKHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Beware of some Codec packs that contain malware, and of course WMP may not
>> play some items that are copyright.
>>
>> If all else fails for things WMP can't handle VLC Media Player seems very
>> good and comes more or less with their own codecs already present.
>>
>> [url]http://www.videolan.org/vlc/[/url]
>>
>> For the time being that would be better than getting bad codecs from
>> somewhere.
>>
>> Daniel wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original
>>> message.
>>>
>>> here it is anyway.
>>>
>>> Qte
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
>>> Windows
>>> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>>>
>>> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
>>> some
>>> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>>>
>>> Unqte
>>>
>>> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
>>> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>>>
>>> With Best regards,
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
>>> message de groupe de discussion :
>>> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...
>>>> Hi Daniel:
>>>> Has your issue been solved?
>>>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>>>
>>>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>>>> underlying
>>>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>>>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>>>
>>>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>>>> Foundation
>>>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>>>>> de
>>>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>> Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>>>>> newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>>>>> -- >
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>>>> can >> play
>>>>>>> DVDs ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> brgds,
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>> groupe >> de
>>>>>>> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>>>> Applications.
>>>>>>>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>>>>>>> DVD's.
>>>>>>>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>>>> PowerDVD,
>>>>>>>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>>>>>>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>>>>>>> -- >>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>>>>>>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember).
>>>>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>>>>>>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>>>> one, >>>> so
>>>>>>>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>>>>>>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>>>> am >>>> not
>>>>>>>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>>>> pack in
>>>>>>>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any mpeg
>>>>>>>>> file?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all the
>>>>>>>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>>>> have >>>> the
>>>>>>>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>>>>>> groupe
>>>>>>>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>>>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>>>>>>>>> files?
>>>>>>>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>>>> None of
>>>>>>>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install an
>>>>>>>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>>>>>>>>> decode
>>>>>>>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though.
>>>>>>>>>> Inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>>>> this >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Hello Tim,

Many thks for your message.

no, I didn't install any codec packs.

Your message is interesting. Is there a way to re-install the codecs which
are part of the OS (Windows 7 in my case) ? Or, is there a way to check
whether these codecs are present on my system and, for some reason
"de-activated" ?

thanks again and brgds
Daniel





"Tim De Baets" <tdebaets@nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
discussion : [email]uLXFjfvXKHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=blue]
> Reinstalling WMP is possible in Windows 7 (I think somewhere in Control
> Panel - Programs and Features), but it's unlikely that this will fix the
> problem. The MPEG codec isn't part of WMP, but of the OS itself.
>
> Did you install any codec packs? If so, try removing these. They are no
> good and problems like this can occur when installing them.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Tim De Baets
> [url]http://www.bm-productions.tk[/url]
>
> Daniel wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi Charlie,
>>
>> Thank you so much for your message.
>>
>>
>> As you suggested I downloaded VLC, which can indeed play all these files.
>> However, when it comes to playing DVD, I find the difference to be huge:
>> Windows Media Player is much better.
>> This why I would have liked to "repair" WMP to see what results I get
>> when playing mpg/mpeg files.
>> Is it possible to reinstall it?
>>
>> with brgds,
>> Daniel
>>
>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>> discussion : OxF#8hYXKHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Beware of some Codec packs that contain malware, and of course WMP may
>>> not play some items that are copyright.
>>>
>>> If all else fails for things WMP can't handle VLC Media Player seems
>>> very good and comes more or less with their own codecs already present.
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.videolan.org/vlc/[/url]
>>>
>>> For the time being that would be better than getting bad codecs from
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original
>>>> message.
>>>>
>>>> here it is anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Qte
>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>
>>>> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
>>>> Windows
>>>> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>>>>
>>>> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
>>>> some
>>>> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>>>>
>>>> Unqte
>>>>
>>>> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
>>>> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>>>>
>>>> With Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel
>>>>
>>>> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
>>>> message de groupe de discussion :
>>>> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...
>>>>> Hi Daniel:
>>>>> Has your issue been solved?
>>>>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>>>>> underlying
>>>>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>>>>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>>>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>>>>>> de
>>>>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>>> Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>>>>>> newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>>>>>> -- >
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>>>>> can >> play
>>>>>>>> DVDs ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> brgds,
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>>> groupe >> de
>>>>>>>> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>>>>> Applications.
>>>>>>>>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>>>>>>>> DVD's.
>>>>>>>>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>>>>> PowerDVD,
>>>>>>>>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>>>>>>>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>>>>>>>> -- >>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>>>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>>>>>>>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember).
>>>>>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>>>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>>>>>>>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>>>>> one, >>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>>>>>>>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>>>>> am >>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>>>>> pack in
>>>>>>>>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any
>>>>>>>>>> mpeg
>>>>>>>>>> file?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>>>>> have >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>>>>>>> groupe
>>>>>>>>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>>>>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>>>>>>>>>> files?
>>>>>>>>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>>>>> None of
>>>>>>>>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>>>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>>>>>>>>>> decode
>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though.
>>>>>>>>>>> Inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>>>>> this >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

As far as I know, there isn't a way to reinstall the required codec,
other than reinstalling Windows. Did you try reposting this to the
Windows 7 Music and sound forum, as suggested a few messages earlier?

What's the exact error message you get when trying to play MPEG files?

Regards

--
Tim De Baets
[url]http://www.bm-productions.tk[/url]

Daniel wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello Tim,
>
> Many thks for your message.
>
> no, I didn't install any codec packs.
>
> Your message is interesting. Is there a way to re-install the codecs which
> are part of the OS (Windows 7 in my case) ? Or, is there a way to check
> whether these codecs are present on my system and, for some reason
> "de-activated" ?
>
> thanks again and brgds
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
> "Tim De Baets" <tdebaets@nospam.com> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
> discussion : [email]uLXFjfvXKHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl[/email]...[color=green]
>> Reinstalling WMP is possible in Windows 7 (I think somewhere in Control
>> Panel - Programs and Features), but it's unlikely that this will fix the
>> problem. The MPEG codec isn't part of WMP, but of the OS itself.
>>
>> Did you install any codec packs? If so, try removing these. They are no
>> good and problems like this can occur when installing them.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> --
>> Tim De Baets
>> [url]http://www.bm-productions.tk[/url]
>>
>> Daniel wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Hi Charlie,
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for your message.
>>>
>>>
>>> As you suggested I downloaded VLC, which can indeed play all these files.
>>> However, when it comes to playing DVD, I find the difference to be huge:
>>> Windows Media Player is much better.
>>> This why I would have liked to "repair" WMP to see what results I get
>>> when playing mpg/mpeg files.
>>> Is it possible to reinstall it?
>>>
>>> with brgds,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> "Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe de
>>> discussion : OxF#8hYXKHA.4588@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Beware of some Codec packs that contain malware, and of course WMP may
>>>> not play some items that are copyright.
>>>>
>>>> If all else fails for things WMP can't handle VLC Media Player seems
>>>> very good and comes more or less with their own codecs already present.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://www.videolan.org/vlc/[/url]
>>>>
>>>> For the time being that would be better than getting bad codecs from
>>>> somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Daniel wrote:
>>>>> Hi KevinLa, I just noticed that Michael just reposted my original
>>>>> message.
>>>>>
>>>>> here it is anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Qte
>>>>> Hi everybody,
>>>>>
>>>>> I installed Windows 7 a few days ago. Everything seems OK except for
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> Media Player V 12, which doesn't seem to be able to play mpeg files.
>>>>>
>>>>> is it "normal" ? Should WMP normally play such files? Should I download
>>>>> some
>>>>> kind of extra plug-in? If so, is there any free plug-in available?
>>>>>
>>>>> Unqte
>>>>>
>>>>> so, it seems that WMP 12 can play DVDs (with a very good quality,
>>>>> actually), but cannot play .mpg, .mpeg, .m1v, mpe files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kind help.
>>>>>
>>>>> With Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>
>>>>> "KevinLa (MS)" <KevinLaMS@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le
>>>>> message de groupe de discussion :
>>>>> [email]01036C8C-486D-4F29-A586-E183593603B6@microsoft.com[/email]...
>>>>>> Hi Daniel:
>>>>>> Has your issue been solved?
>>>>>> I had a little trouble following the thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason that DVD may play when MPEG2 does not maybe related to
>>>>>> underlying
>>>>>> architectures. WMP uses many different runtimes to playback media:
>>>>>> directshow, media foundations to name a couple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe WMP uses DirectShow to playback DVD, and may use Media
>>>>>> Foundation
>>>>>> to playback MPEG2 ts and ps streams. So that may be the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you restate your problem for me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Kevin Larkin (MS)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Daniel" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you very much for your time and kindness.
>>>>>>> you have been really kind and helpful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de groupe
>>>>>>> de
>>>>>>> discussion : [email]egVUvt0WKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>>>> Now I'm stumped. I'm crossposting this message to the mediaplayer
>>>>>>>> newsgroup. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
>>>>>>>> -- >
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:u0MSuSvWKHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much again for your concern, Michael.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No I didn't find in the disks provided by Dell anything that looks
>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>>> PowerDVD or similar application.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> question : although my WMP 12 cannot playMPEG files, how come it
>>>>>>> can >> play
>>>>>>>>> DVDs ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> brgds,
>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>>>> groupe >> de
>>>>>>>>> discussion : #opHpyuWKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>> You should have a few Dell disks. Look for the one marked >>>
>>>>>>> Applications.
>>>>>>>>>> PowerDVD automatically installs the mpeg codec so you can watch
>>>>>>>>>> DVD's.
>>>>>>>>>> Pop it in and see if PowerDVD is listed. My Dell came with
>>>>>>> PowerDVD,
>>>>>>>>>> but when I formatted it I found out Dell never gave me a disk to
>>>>>>>>>> reinstall it. I went with the Klite codec pack.
>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Daniel" <notmyrealaddress@free.fr> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:uYKGNEmWKHA.844@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for your kind and detailed answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What you write is most interesting. Indeed, before doing the
>>>>>>> upgrade >>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> Win 7 (just an upgrade, not a full install) I had some DVD player
>>>>>>>>>>> installed on my PC (Was it PowerDVD ? I just cannot remember).
>>>>>>>>>>> And,
>>>>>>>>>>> strangely enough, I cannot find any trace of this player since I
>>>>>>>>>>> upgraded. All the programs I had are still there, except that
>>>>>>> one, >>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> it seems. How come, I wonder ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, before the upgrade, I could read any video file. I have the
>>>>>>>>>>> feeling I could read them all in Win Media Player V11, but now I
>>>>>>> am >>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> sure of anything. Could this PowerDVD have installed a codec
>>>>>>> pack in
>>>>>>>>>>> WMP to allow the playing of Mpeg files ?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do I understand from your message that WMP 12 cannot read any
>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg
>>>>>>>>>>> file?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> coming back to this PowerDVD or similar utility I had before, I
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>>>>> don't know how to reinstall it, for I have a Dell DVD with all
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> utilities and programs that were delivered with the PC, but I
>>>>>>> have >>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> feeling that it can be used only reinstall everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advanc efor your kins help.
>>>>>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Michael" <majdnhgfiwo@nowhere.net> a écrit dans le message de
>>>>>>>>>>> groupe
>>>>>>>>>>> de discussion : [email]ugOWymjWKHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl[/email]...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel,
>>>>>>>>>>>> are you sure you're having problems with .mpeg files or mpeg2
>>>>>>>>>>>> files?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Both are normally converted into .vob which is DVD format.
>>>>>>> None of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Windows Media Players come with that codec. Did you happen
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> have PowerDVD installed on your computer, but forgot to
>>>>>>> reinstall >>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> when you upgraded? If you did, then just pop in the disk and
>>>>>>>>>>>> install
>>>>>>>>>>>> it. You'll have no further problems. If not, download Media
>>>>>>> Player
>>>>>>>>>>>> Classic. It plays everything. Your last option is to install
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> outside codec pack such as KLite Basic. That will allow WMP to
>>>>>>>>>>>> decode
>>>>>>>>>>>> mpeg's. This should only be a last resort, though.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>> users can accidentally change all their file associations is
>>>>>>> this >>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed incorrectly.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]