"He's a COLA snake in MS clothing" - I lol'd when I read that :D

He probably has, but there's nothing I like better than bashing fanboys of
either the windows, linux or apple genre...if you catch my drift ^_~

"Vista Succubus Hunter" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Rawr wrote:[color=green]
> > I lol'd when I read that. You clearly have never actually tried Linux >.<[/color]
>
> Oh, he has used Linux. He's a COLA snake in MS clothing.
>[color=green]
> >
> > "Gordon" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:D837AC0B-F858-4722-A27E-961E0338941F@microsoft.com...
> >>> I'm glad the ubuntu team is working hard. That was the distro I was gonna
> >>> go
> >>> with (it was either ubuntu or Fedora) if not for 1 simple fact. Linux has
> >>> next to no hardware support. That was its downfall in my attempted
> >>> conversion
> >>> to the linux world.
> >> Rubbish! Linux distributions in general have MORE hardware support than
> >> Windows, at least until Windows 7 came along...
> >>
> >> .
> >>[/color][/color]
> .
>[/color]

Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
attempted conversion. But i've already addressed that aspect of my statement
in my previous post so yeah, your argument has already been made moot.

"Gordon" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:8192AAE0-438C-4621-B298-A41847F37027@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Someone who labels someone else's practical and logical opinion as
> > "rubbish!"
> > Should not preach to others about writing "silly statements". Hypocrite
> > much?
> >
> > Perhaps the only over embellishment I made was about "next to no". But
> > when
> > you can't get get just 1 simple printer talking properly with the OS[/color]
>
> That's just one out of thousands then.....that does NOT constitute "no
> hardware support".
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>[/color]

"Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
> attempted conversion.[/color]

Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
esoteric hardware...

You clearly have never tried to be stabilized on medications, dear.

So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!

Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
analytically.

...tough luck!

And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
- very esoteric indeed.

"Gordon" wrote:
[color=blue]
>
> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> >
> > Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
> > attempted conversion.[/color]
>
> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
> esoteric hardware...
>
> .
>[/color]

Rawr wrote:[color=blue]
> So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
> the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!
>
> Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
> supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
> investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
> how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
> shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
> analytically.
>
> ..tough luck!
>
> And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
> - very esoteric indeed.[/color]

Canon is notorious and infamous for not supporting Linux. Had you done
some research ...

Alias[color=blue]
>
> "Gordon" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
>>> attempted conversion.[/color]
>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
>> esoteric hardware...
>>
>> .
>>[/color][/color]

A major worldwide manufacturer is notorious for not supporting linux
invalidates my point how? Any 'research' taken that somehow indicates this
would only reaffirm everything i've been saying.

But I shouldn't get carried away - it's clear you haven't properly read any
of the above posts. Had you done so you would have read the words: "one
of...". To give other examples; My webcam, wireless mouse and keyboard and of
course the laptop I was trying to install it on. Really useful to have an OS
that doesn't accurately report battery levels or viably manages wireless
connectivity or hardware buttons. Oh and lets not forget that only recently
has installing graphics drivers not been a massive chore. Ubuntu's done well
with their repos on that one now thankfully (no thanks to the manufacturers).
Sad part of that is that we're talking about just 1 distro - the problem
still persists in most others.

But all the aforementioned indicates just one thing: Linux is not a
practical solution to the average user. Which was my original point! Don't
think however, I wouldn't like it to be (all my music is in ogg format!).

"Alias" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Rawr wrote:[color=green]
> > So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
> > the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!
> >
> > Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
> > supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
> > investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
> > how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
> > shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
> > analytically.
> >
> > ..tough luck!
> >
> > And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
> > - very esoteric indeed.[/color]
>
> Canon is notorious and infamous for not supporting Linux. Had you done
> some research ...
>
> Alias[color=green]
> >
> > "Gordon" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...
> >>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
> >>> attempted conversion.
> >> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
> >> esoteric hardware...
> >>
> >> .
> >>[/color][/color]
> .
>[/color]

Rawr wrote:[color=blue]
> A major worldwide manufacturer is notorious for not supporting linux
> invalidates my point how? Any 'research' taken that somehow indicates this
> would only reaffirm everything i've been saying.[/color]

Yeah, buy an HP printer. Problem solved.
[color=blue]
>
> But I shouldn't get carried away - it's clear you haven't properly read any
> of the above posts. Had you done so you would have read the words: "one
> of...". To give other examples; My webcam,[/color]

Get a Logitech web cam. Problem solved.
[color=blue]
> wireless mouse and keyboard and of
> course the laptop I was trying to install it on.[/color]

USB wired mice and keyboards aren't exactly expensive.
[color=blue]
> Really useful to have an OS
> that doesn't accurately report battery levels or viably manages wireless
> connectivity or hardware buttons.[/color]

I don't do wireless but there are solutions if you were to ask on an
Ubuntu forum.
[color=blue]
> Oh and lets not forget that only recently
> has installing graphics drivers not been a massive chore. Ubuntu's done well
> with their repos on that one now thankfully (no thanks to the manufacturers).
> Sad part of that is that we're talking about just 1 distro - the problem
> still persists in most others.[/color]

Don't use the others.
[color=blue]
>
> But all the aforementioned indicates just one thing: Linux is not a
> practical solution to the average user. Which was my original point! Don't
> think however, I wouldn't like it to be (all my music is in ogg format!).[/color]

If one insists on incompatible hardware, you get what you deserve. I
like .flac better.

Alias[color=blue]
>
> "Alias" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Rawr wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
>>> the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!
>>>
>>> Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
>>> supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
>>> investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
>>> how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
>>> shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
>>> analytically.
>>>
>>> ..tough luck!
>>>
>>> And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
>>> - very esoteric indeed.[/color]
>> Canon is notorious and infamous for not supporting Linux. Had you done
>> some research ...
>>
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>> "Gordon" wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...
>>>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
>>>>> attempted conversion.
>>>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
>>>> esoteric hardware...
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>[/color]
>> .
>>[/color][/color]

"Alias" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Rawr wrote:[color=green]
> > A major worldwide manufacturer is notorious for not supporting linux
> > invalidates my point how? Any 'research' taken that somehow indicates this
> > would only reaffirm everything i've been saying.[/color]
>
> Yeah, buy an HP printer. Problem solved.[/color]

Sure, why don't you go buy me one and then i'll throw my perfectly good
canon one in the bin. Yeah - that's "problem solved". HP printers are crap
IMO anyway. Try comparing the features of them and you'll see. Not to mention
print quality.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> >
> > But I shouldn't get carried away - it's clear you haven't properly read any
> > of the above posts. Had you done so you would have read the words: "one
> > of...". To give other examples; My webcam,[/color]
>
> Get a Logitech web cam. Problem solved.[/color]

It is a logitech webcam...LOL. Have you ever seen the difference between the
frame rate of the linux equivalent of logitech drivers? Apparently not.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > wireless mouse and keyboard and of
> > course the laptop I was trying to install it on.[/color]
>
> USB wired mice and keyboards aren't exactly expensive.[/color]

See my previous response in regards to printer.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > Really useful to have an OS
> > that doesn't accurately report battery levels or viably manages wireless
> > connectivity or hardware buttons.[/color]
>
> I don't do wireless but there are solutions if you were to ask on an
> Ubuntu forum.[/color]

Where do you think I went first? (as though there is another support
community for ubuntu lol). One of the reasons why Microsoft and Apple are so
popular is that you can get technical support (assuming your willing to pay).
The only similar system Linux has is red hat. But that wouldn't be much use
either as the simple fact remains that manufacturers arn't going to release
the specs/designs of their harrdware for all to see (for obvious competition
reasons). Which is the only way for open source developers to write the
necessary code. "solutions on ubuntu forums" are merely pale imitations of
there windows couterpart or straight up dead ends[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> > Oh and lets not forget that only recently
> > has installing graphics drivers not been a massive chore. Ubuntu's done well
> > with their repos on that one now thankfully (no thanks to the manufacturers).
> > Sad part of that is that we're talking about just 1 distro - the problem
> > still persists in most others.[/color]
>
> Don't use the others.[/color]

That statement flies in the face of everything the open source community
stands for. Regardless however, it once again only proves my original point
about the massive lack of support from manufacturers in regards to the unix
environment.[color=blue]
>[color=green]
> >
> > But all the aforementioned indicates just one thing: Linux is not a
> > practical solution to the average user. Which was my original point! Don't
> > think however, I wouldn't like it to be (all my music is in ogg format!).[/color]
>
> If one insists on incompatible hardware, you get what you deserve. I
> like .flac better.[/color]

FYI, I use ogg because IMO it is the best format for music, not FLAC. FLAC
would only introduce noise to my tracks as the tracks themselves arn't
rippped from a CD. But hey, to each his own. And I can play ogg on windows,
just not as well as on Lniux (u'll know what i mean if you've ever wondered
where the track attributes have gone when playing in WMP). But i use foobar
for editing anyway. My point is that since ogg is open source, it is alot
easier to interact with in linux then on windows.

If one insists on using poorly thought out counter arguments, one must
expect to get their arse handed to them. Pardon my French.
[color=blue]
>
> Alias[color=green]
> >
> > "Alias" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Rawr wrote:
> >>> So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
> >>> the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!
> >>>
> >>> Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
> >>> supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
> >>> investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
> >>> how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
> >>> shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
> >>> analytically.
> >>>
> >>> ..tough luck!
> >>>
> >>> And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
> >>> - very esoteric indeed.
> >> Canon is notorious and infamous for not supporting Linux. Had you done
> >> some research ...
> >>
> >> Alias
> >>> "Gordon" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...
> >>>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
> >>>>> attempted conversion.
> >>>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
> >>>> esoteric hardware...
> >>>>
> >>>> .
> >>>>
> >> .
> >>[/color][/color]
> .
>[/color]

Rawr wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Rawr wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> A major worldwide manufacturer is notorious for not supporting linux
>>> invalidates my point how? Any 'research' taken that somehow indicates this
>>> would only reaffirm everything i've been saying.[/color]
>> Yeah, buy an HP printer. Problem solved.[/color]
>
> Sure, why don't you go buy me one and then i'll throw my perfectly good
> canon one in the bin.[/color]

Or sell it or use it on a Windows machine.
[color=blue]
> Yeah - that's "problem solved". HP printers are crap
> IMO anyway. Try comparing the features of them and you'll see. Not to mention
> print quality.[/color]

Opinions. What are you printing, invitations to the Royal Ball?
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> But I shouldn't get carried away - it's clear you haven't properly read any
>>> of the above posts. Had you done so you would have read the words: "one
>>> of...". To give other examples; My webcam,[/color]
>> Get a Logitech web cam. Problem solved.[/color]
>
> It is a logitech webcam...LOL. Have you ever seen the difference between the
> frame rate of the linux equivalent of logitech drivers? Apparently not.[/color]

I don't use web cams nor do I use cell phones to take a picture or video.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> wireless mouse and keyboard and of
>>> course the laptop I was trying to install it on.[/color]
>> USB wired mice and keyboards aren't exactly expensive.[/color]
>
> See my previous response in regards to printer.[/color]

See mine.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Really useful to have an OS
>>> that doesn't accurately report battery levels or viably manages wireless
>>> connectivity or hardware buttons.[/color]
>> I don't do wireless but there are solutions if you were to ask on an
>> Ubuntu forum.[/color]
>
> Where do you think I went first? (as though there is another support
> community for ubuntu lol). One of the reasons why Microsoft and Apple are so
> popular is that you can get technical support (assuming your willing to pay).[/color]

You can pay Canonical.
[color=blue]
> The only similar system Linux has is red hat. But that wouldn't be much use
> either as the simple fact remains that manufacturers arn't going to release
> the specs/designs of their harrdware for all to see (for obvious competition
> reasons). Which is the only way for open source developers to write the
> necessary code. "solutions on ubuntu forums" are merely pale imitations of
> there windows couterpart or straight up dead ends[/color]

Linux cannot be blamed for Canon et al not making drivers for their
hardware.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Oh and lets not forget that only recently
>>> has installing graphics drivers not been a massive chore. Ubuntu's done well
>>> with their repos on that one now thankfully (no thanks to the manufacturers).
>>> Sad part of that is that we're talking about just 1 distro - the problem
>>> still persists in most others.[/color]
>> Don't use the others.[/color]
>
> That statement flies in the face of everything the open source community
> stands for.[/color]

I don't belong to the "Open Source community". I belong to the Human
Community. Ever hear of it?

Regardless however, it once again only proves my original point[color=blue]
> about the massive lack of support from manufacturers in regards to the unix
> environment.[/color]

Their and our loss.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> But all the aforementioned indicates just one thing: Linux is not a
>>> practical solution to the average user. Which was my original point! Don't
>>> think however, I wouldn't like it to be (all my music is in ogg format!).[/color]
>> If one insists on incompatible hardware, you get what you deserve. I
>> like .flac better.[/color]
>
> FYI, I use ogg because IMO it is the best format for music, not FLAC. FLAC
> would only introduce noise to my tracks as the tracks themselves arn't
> rippped from a CD. But hey, to each his own. And I can play ogg on windows,
> just not as well as on Lniux (u'll know what i mean if you've ever wondered
> where the track attributes have gone when playing in WMP). But i use foobar
> for editing anyway. My point is that since ogg is open source, it is alot
> easier to interact with in linux then on windows.[/color]

The bitrate for OGG is less than .flac. .Flac sounds better to me.
[color=blue]
>
> If one insists on using poorly thought out counter arguments, one must
> expect to get their arse handed to them. Pardon my French.[/color]

Calling yourself the winner of the debate is what?

Alias[color=blue]
>[color=green]
>> Alias[color=darkred]
>>> "Alias" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rawr wrote:
>>>>> So what do you call a small minority within an even smaller minority? (i.e.
>>>>> the entire linux market). We must be going microscopic!
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh and luck has nothing to do with the fact that manufacturers are not
>>>>> supporting an OS that has very little market share and thus is a poor
>>>>> investment on their part (with the possible exception of servers, but then -
>>>>> how many servers are connected to a printer). Its called economics. But I
>>>>> shouldn't be surprised, not everyone is endowed with the ability to think
>>>>> analytically.
>>>>>
>>>>> ..tough luck!
>>>>>
>>>>> And for funsies - one of the pieces of hardware was a canon mp class printer
>>>>> - very esoteric indeed.
>>>> Canon is notorious and infamous for not supporting Linux. Had you done
>>>> some research ...
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>>> "Gordon" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
>>>>>>> attempted conversion.
>>>>>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
>>>>>> esoteric hardware...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>[/color]
>> .
>>[/color][/color]

alias, the spamming, trolling, lying linturd wrote:

<--drivel deleted as a public service-->

I just love watching you take it up your stupid, ignorant, arrogant ass
in here on a daily basis!...LOL!

"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
news:un978icWKHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>
>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in my
>> attempted conversion.[/color]
>
> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some very
> esoteric hardware...[/color]

I find it interesting you can spell and try to use "esoteric" intelligently
in a sentence but, can't spell or use intelligently the word "your" in a
sentence.

"Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
news:C49893D8-77CC-4C81-A3BB-902AF730F3C1@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
> "Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
> news:un978icWKHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in
>>> my
>>> attempted conversion.[/color]
>>
>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some
>> very esoteric hardware...[/color]
>
> I find it interesting you can spell and try to use "esoteric"
> intelligently in a sentence but, can't spell or use intelligently the word
> "your" in a sentence.[/color]

It's called "angry typing"!

"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
news:##QkEtFXKHA.4780@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Dave" <davidj92@wowway.com> wrote in message
> news:C49893D8-77CC-4C81-A3BB-902AF730F3C1@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
>> news:un978icWKHA.5368@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:B1B42F3E-5215-4EDF-86E3-B65316F13D23@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>> Oh don't worry - there were plenty of others examples I encountered in
>>>> my
>>>> attempted conversion.
>>>
>>> Seems your in a small minority then....tough luck! You must have some
>>> very esoteric hardware...[/color]
>>
>> I find it interesting you can spell and try to use "esoteric"
>> intelligently in a sentence but, can't spell or use intelligently the
>> word "your" in a sentence.[/color]
>
> It's called "angry typing"![/color]

Err - It's called NET COP typing, Err <sigh> Umm.

Gordon wrote: > "Rawr" <Rawr@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message > news:6F21D863-31AE-408D-B125-341DF5248E29@microsoft.com... >[color=blue]
> I lol'd when I read that. You clearly have never actually tried[/color]
Linux >.< > > > > Running it now mate, as we speak.....not on this
machine but on my Netbook > which is open beside me..... I /have/ run
it on this machine, and have used > Linux on and off ever since the
mid nineties. > Perhaps it's YOU who have never tried Linux... your
silly statement would > tend towards that scenario...