Frank wrote:[color=blue]
> jim wrote:[color=green]
>> Frank wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> jim wrote:
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>>> Saucy wrote:
>>>>>>> That Microsoft "doesn't innovate" is just a slogan. It has no
>>>>>>> meaning except as a tool to manipulate emotions. Most all
>>>>>>> software is built on what comes before anyway. Rarely does anyone
>>>>>>> completely reinvent the wheel. E.g. Microsoft Office had to be
>>>>>>> written in a computer language - one Microsoft didn't necessarily
>>>>>>> invent i.e. Microsoft probably did not invent the computer
>>>>>>> languages C or C++. Microsoft however may have contributed to its
>>>>>>> development. Microsoft has hundreds maybe thousands of
>>>>>>> programmers. To say none of them ever innovate is ridiculous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And, yes, Microsoft did create a computer language in recent
>>>>>>> history, namely C#. It also extended languages such as C++ so
>>>>>>> that they could be written in managed code etc. etc. etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS created C# if you call creation deriving it from other languages:
>>>>>> "C# is an object-oriented language derived from C, with some
>>>>>> features from C++, Java, and Visual Basic."
>>>>>> [url]http://cgibin.erols.com/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl?_key=C%23[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess MS "innovated" C# from other languages just like they
>>>>>> "innovated" Win7 from linux and other sources!
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean like LT "invented" linux...from Unix?
>>>>
>>>> That's just off-topic for this thread. We were talking about MS,
>>>> not other OSes, lol. Maybe instead of spending so much time
>>>> complaining about others posting off-topic about other OSes in this
>>>> group, you should instead focus on following your own advice? :)
>>>>
>>> Nice try at backpedaling...hahahah!!!...LOL! Now you try talking
>>> about MS without mentioning linux ok?...Hahahah!!!
>>> Oops!!![/color]
>>
>> Yes, I think you made an oops too. Saucy ran away from the subject
>> tail between legs as though kicked, and now you are going in
>> hypocritical circles chasing your tail and offering off-topic blather
>> having nothing to do with the actual topic of the thread.
>>
>> Too bad, I thought this could be an interesting discussion.[/color]
>
> Yeah you went into hyperbole at the mere mention of LT!...hahaha!
> Oops![/color]

Who is LT anyway?
[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But as I've already killfiled Alias, I really have no intention
>>>>>>> of carrying on with this sort of vacuous drivel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Saucy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would indeed agree your contribution to this thread is "vacuous
>>>>>> drivel".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina
>>>>>>> DiBoy'" <me123@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:hca2jj$f99$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>> I guess you have no reply to this Saucy. Big surprise there.
>>>>>>>> Oh well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina
>>>>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Saucy the top poster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> One you can't give away even at zero cents, the other commands
>>>>>>>>>> a price.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One is free if your time is worthless, the other costs but
>>>>>>>>>> frees up your time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One is so "open" and "flexible" they leave it to you to
>>>>>>>>>> recompile the kernel if you get a new printer need to get it
>>>>>>>>>> to work, the other has a flexible API enabling developers to
>>>>>>>>>> write drivers so that when you get a new printer, it works.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One has a small bunch of followers who all think this is is
>>>>>>>>>> the year their OS takes the desktop - and they've been
>>>>>>>>>> thinking this every year since 1996 - the other can be found
>>>>>>>>>> working away -guess where - on the desktop.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One is called Linux and it sucks, the other is called Windows
>>>>>>>>>> 7 and it blows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Saucy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If Windows is really so good and linux sucks, I wonder why
>>>>>>>>> instead of innovating, MS is claiming creation of a bunch of
>>>>>>>>> "new" features in Win7 are in reality features copied from
>>>>>>>>> linux that have been in linux for years!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1009&tag=nl.e011[/url]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that everything about one OS or the other
>>>>>>>>> sucks but maybe they both have a purpose for many people, even
>>>>>>>>> if not for you personally. You just seem to sound so closed
>>>>>>>>> minded Saucy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:hc531b$3f6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
>>>>>>>> - Linus Torvalds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DRM and unintended consequences:
>>>>>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url]
>>>>>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> [url]http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm[/url]
>
> Alias[/color]


<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs>

jim wrote:[color=blue]
> Frank wrote:[color=green]
>> jim wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> jim wrote:
>>>>>>> Saucy wrote:
>>>>>>>> That Microsoft "doesn't innovate" is just a slogan. It has no
>>>>>>>> meaning except as a tool to manipulate emotions. Most all
>>>>>>>> software is built on what comes before anyway. Rarely does
>>>>>>>> anyone completely reinvent the wheel. E.g. Microsoft Office had
>>>>>>>> to be written in a computer language - one Microsoft didn't
>>>>>>>> necessarily invent i.e. Microsoft probably did not invent the
>>>>>>>> computer languages C or C++. Microsoft however may have
>>>>>>>> contributed to its development. Microsoft has hundreds maybe
>>>>>>>> thousands of programmers. To say none of them ever innovate is
>>>>>>>> ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And, yes, Microsoft did create a computer language in recent
>>>>>>>> history, namely C#. It also extended languages such as C++ so
>>>>>>>> that they could be written in managed code etc. etc. etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MS created C# if you call creation deriving it from other languages:
>>>>>>> "C# is an object-oriented language derived from C, with some
>>>>>>> features from C++, Java, and Visual Basic."
>>>>>>> [url]http://cgibin.erols.com/ziring/cgi-bin/cep/cep.pl?_key=C%23[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess MS "innovated" C# from other languages just like they
>>>>>>> "innovated" Win7 from linux and other sources!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean like LT "invented" linux...from Unix?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just off-topic for this thread. We were talking about MS,
>>>>> not other OSes, lol. Maybe instead of spending so much time
>>>>> complaining about others posting off-topic about other OSes in this
>>>>> group, you should instead focus on following your own advice? :)
>>>>>
>>>> Nice try at backpedaling...hahahah!!!...LOL! Now you try talking
>>>> about MS without mentioning linux ok?...Hahahah!!!
>>>> Oops!!!
>>>
>>> Yes, I think you made an oops too. Saucy ran away from the subject
>>> tail between legs as though kicked, and now you are going in
>>> hypocritical circles chasing your tail and offering off-topic blather
>>> having nothing to do with the actual topic of the thread.
>>>
>>> Too bad, I thought this could be an interesting discussion.[/color]
>>
>> Yeah you went into hyperbole at the mere mention of LT!...hahaha!
>> Oops![/color]
>
> Who is LT anyway?
>[/color]

hehehe...you're a real n00b!!!...LOL![color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as I've already killfiled Alias, I really have no intention
>>>>>>>> of carrying on with this sort of vacuous drivel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Saucy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would indeed agree your contribution to this thread is "vacuous
>>>>>>> drivel".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina
>>>>>>>> DiBoy'" <me123@privacy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:hca2jj$f99$1@aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>> I guess you have no reply to this Saucy. Big surprise there.
>>>>>>>>> Oh well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina
>>>>>>>>> DiBoy' wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Saucy the top poster wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> One you can't give away even at zero cents, the other
>>>>>>>>>>> commands a price.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One is free if your time is worthless, the other costs but
>>>>>>>>>>> frees up your time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One is so "open" and "flexible" they leave it to you to
>>>>>>>>>>> recompile the kernel if you get a new printer need to get it
>>>>>>>>>>> to work, the other has a flexible API enabling developers to
>>>>>>>>>>> write drivers so that when you get a new printer, it works.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One has a small bunch of followers who all think this is is
>>>>>>>>>>> the year their OS takes the desktop - and they've been
>>>>>>>>>>> thinking this every year since 1996 - the other can be found
>>>>>>>>>>> working away -guess where - on the desktop.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One is called Linux and it sucks, the other is called Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> 7 and it blows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Saucy
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If Windows is really so good and linux sucks, I wonder why
>>>>>>>>>> instead of innovating, MS is claiming creation of a bunch of
>>>>>>>>>> "new" features in Win7 are in reality features copied from
>>>>>>>>>> linux that have been in linux for years!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1009&tag=nl.e011[/url]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is not to say that everything about one OS or the other
>>>>>>>>>> sucks but maybe they both have a purpose for many people, even
>>>>>>>>>> if not for you personally. You just seem to sound so closed
>>>>>>>>>> minded Saucy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> news:hc531b$3f6$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
>>>>>>>>> - Linus Torvalds
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> DRM and unintended consequences:
>>>>>>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url]
>>>>>>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Vista Succubus Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm[/url]
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
>
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs>[/color]


Most of those seem to be bugs in applications, should we then impale
Steve Ballmer's head on a stake because Adobe Acrobat Reader had a
security vulnerability???

There are alternative Operating Systems out there, fact of life and
sorry if that offends you, but for someone with needs that can be
satisfied with those systems they are viable and incidentally a lot
better than pirated copies of Microsoft's stuff.

Installing crap will break any operating system, and yes, the
functionality of a lot of Linux stuff is a bit obscure. Some people
probably install bad stuff that breaks things because they are new to
it. However look how many people break "Windows" with malware and the
like. Previously Windows was insecure, but 7 is far better, no
comparison really, but as the "Live" team appear to have recently stated
they feel that removing the "Live Apps" from the core allows better
concentration on the core and better concentration on the individual
apps. Oh, sounds a bit like the way Linux is built does it not?

So rivalry aside it seems the industry is getting on the same page,
which has to be good for Microsoft and users alike.