Thanks John for the clarifications
I have tried to install it as i've done before with my other
computers,but right after the "windows loading files" screen,the
computer gives me the error message "winload.exe missing or corrupt" and
that's why i get so confused,cause i assume it shouldn't be looking for
that anymore since the HDD has been formatted,but sure enough it gives
me that error message.
Do you think taking the computer apart and removing the internal
batter(with hope to literally reset everything) would do any good?


John John - MVP;4667931 Wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> You don't want to repair the operating system or use the Command
> Prompt
> options, there is no operating sytem to repair! You need to select
> the
> proper option to *INSTALL* the operating system.
>
> There is nothing on the disk and there is nothing in the memory that
> has
> to do with Vista or any other operating systems! What you are seeing
> about "bootmgr missing" is perfectly normal even if the disk is empty!
>
> You have to understand how a hard disk is organized and how the first
> sector on the disk (the Master Boot Record, or MBR) is executed when
> the
> computer attempts to boot the disk and how the MBR then attempts to
> pass
> the boot sequence to the boot sector of the active partition, this is
> where the "bootmgr missing" error comes from, the boot sector on the
> active partition is looking for this file and because it isn't there
> it
> trows up the error. The disk was formated so there is nothing on it
> *other* than the MBR and the partition structure which includes the
> boot
> sector. Unless the disk is brand new or unless it was zeroed out
> there
> is *always* an MBR on the first sector and if there is an active
> partition on the disk there is *always* a boot sector. Earlier you
> were
> getting the ntldr is missing because the boot sector was prepared
> (formated) by Windows XP, now you are seeing the "bootmgr missing"
> error
> because the disk was prepared by Vista, these error messages are
> normal
> and expected.
>
> John[/color]


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It won't hurt anything to try it. At the same time check the battery or
replace it with a new one to eliminate a dead battery as a possible
cause of the problem.

John

akumageorges wrote:[color=blue]
> Thanks John for the clarifications
> I have tried to install it as i've done before with my other
> computers,but right after the "windows loading files" screen,the
> computer gives me the error message "winload.exe missing or corrupt" and
> that's why i get so confused,cause i assume it shouldn't be looking for
> that anymore since the HDD has been formatted,but sure enough it gives
> me that error message.
> Do you think taking the computer apart and removing the internal
> batter(with hope to literally reset everything) would do any good?
>
>
> John John - MVP;4667931 Wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> You don't want to repair the operating system or use the Command
>> Prompt
>> options, there is no operating sytem to repair! You need to select
>> the
>> proper option to *INSTALL* the operating system.
>>
>> There is nothing on the disk and there is nothing in the memory that
>> has
>> to do with Vista or any other operating systems! What you are seeing
>> about "bootmgr missing" is perfectly normal even if the disk is empty!
>>
>> You have to understand how a hard disk is organized and how the first
>> sector on the disk (the Master Boot Record, or MBR) is executed when
>> the
>> computer attempts to boot the disk and how the MBR then attempts to
>> pass
>> the boot sequence to the boot sector of the active partition, this is
>> where the "bootmgr missing" error comes from, the boot sector on the
>> active partition is looking for this file and because it isn't there
>> it
>> trows up the error. The disk was formated so there is nothing on it
>> *other* than the MBR and the partition structure which includes the
>> boot
>> sector. Unless the disk is brand new or unless it was zeroed out
>> there
>> is *always* an MBR on the first sector and if there is an active
>> partition on the disk there is *always* a boot sector. Earlier you
>> were
>> getting the ntldr is missing because the boot sector was prepared
>> (formated) by Windows XP, now you are seeing the "bootmgr missing"
>> error
>> because the disk was prepared by Vista, these error messages are
>> normal
>> and expected.
>>
>> John[/color]
>
>[/color]

Thank you so much for all your advices guys.
As i stated before when i boot form the windows DVD,it gives me the
black screen with the ssage at the bottom"windows loading files as the
cursor loads" as soon as it's done loading it goes staright into the
error screen "winload.exe missing or corrupt" giving me the options of
restarting by typing pushing the "esc" button or F8. When i choose F8 it
send me to the screen with options "safe mode","safe mode with cmd
prompt",safe mode with network...,start with last good setting...

I guess i'll try to make a short youtube video of this problem showing
all the different things i've been doing,and maybe this will help better
explain what i'm experiencing.
I'll post that link later on tonight

Thanks again

[email]keepout******.com.invali[/email]d;4668037 Wrote:[color=blue]
> You have mentioned that this is way beyond your know how. So this might
> be
> relevant..
>
> You said you formatted the drive. There's normally no reason to format
> drives
> today. Resizing, and creating partitions yes..
>
> I'll assume you have a 300 gigabyte main drive..and you have a vista
> install
> disk. size is irrelevant, other than the need for enough space to
> installthe
> system.
>
> Fire things up, go DIRECTLY to setup in the BIOS, and have it boot
> fromthe CD.
> reboot if necessary.
> Now when the install disk says hello, go the partitioning section of
> the setup.
> You just may have screwed the HD. Now create an 80gig C:\partition. or
> partition the whole drive. You don't really need more than 80 gigs for
> the OS,
> But if you do, having the entire drive as 1 partition would be better
> than
> needing more system space later.
> The setup will ask you quick or full format. I'll assume the drive
> isn't
> totally screwed. Select quick format.
>
> After this, it may want another reboot. Now install Vista to the
> partition that
> you just created. C:\windows
> That should pretty much do it.
>
> Ok, if it fails with quick format, chances are you did scramble
> something
> trying to format the drive. Repeat the above, but use full format
> insteadof
> quick, and go take a nap. This will take awhile, possibly hours.
> now do your install.
>
> Once the OS is working go back into setup, and have it boot from C:\
> instead of
> the CD.[/color]


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Is your hard drive properly detected in the BIOS?

John

akumageorges wrote:[color=blue]
> Thank you so much for all your advices guys.
> As i stated before when i boot form the windows DVD,it gives me the
> black screen with the ssage at the bottom"windows loading files as the
> cursor loads" as soon as it's done loading it goes staright into the
> error screen "winload.exe missing or corrupt" giving me the options of
> restarting by typing pushing the "esc" button or F8. When i choose F8 it
> send me to the screen with options "safe mode","safe mode with cmd
> prompt",safe mode with network...,start with last good setting...
>
> I guess i'll try to make a short youtube video of this problem showing
> all the different things i've been doing,and maybe this will help better
> explain what i'm experiencing.
> I'll post that link later on tonight
>
> Thanks again
>
> [email]keepout******.com.invali[/email]d;4668037 Wrote:[color=green]
>> You have mentioned that this is way beyond your know how. So this might
>> be
>> relevant..
>>
>> You said you formatted the drive. There's normally no reason to format
>> drives
>> today. Resizing, and creating partitions yes..
>>
>> I'll assume you have a 300 gigabyte main drive..and you have a vista
>> install
>> disk. size is irrelevant, other than the need for enough space to
>> installthe
>> system.
>>
>> Fire things up, go DIRECTLY to setup in the BIOS, and have it boot
>> fromthe CD.
>> reboot if necessary.
>> Now when the install disk says hello, go the partitioning section of
>> the setup.
>> You just may have screwed the HD. Now create an 80gig C:\partition. or
>> partition the whole drive. You don't really need more than 80 gigs for
>> the OS,
>> But if you do, having the entire drive as 1 partition would be better
>> than
>> needing more system space later.
>> The setup will ask you quick or full format. I'll assume the drive
>> isn't
>> totally screwed. Select quick format.
>>
>> After this, it may want another reboot. Now install Vista to the
>> partition that
>> you just created. C:\windows
>> That should pretty much do it.
>>
>> Ok, if it fails with quick format, chances are you did scramble
>> something
>> trying to format the drive. Repeat the above, but use full format
>> insteadof
>> quick, and go take a nap. This will take awhile, possibly hours.
>> now do your install.
>>
>> Once the OS is working go back into setup, and have it boot from C:\
>> instead of
>> the CD.[/color]
>
>[/color]

If your drive was formatted correctly you shouldn't see any of these
options. It should be clean. Apparently the DVD is detecting a Windows
install.
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"akumageorges" <akumageorges.40rq3b@DoNotSpam.com> wrote in message
news:akumageorges.40rq3b@DoNotSpam.com...[color=blue]
>
> Thank you so much for all your advices guys.
> As i stated before when i boot form the windows DVD,it gives me the
> black screen with the ssage at the bottom"windows loading files as the
> cursor loads" as soon as it's done loading it goes staright into the
> error screen "winload.exe missing or corrupt" giving me the options of
> restarting by typing pushing the "esc" button or F8. When i choose F8 it
> send me to the screen with options "safe mode","safe mode with cmd
> prompt",safe mode with network...,start with last good setting...
>
> I guess i'll try to make a short youtube video of this problem showing
> all the different things i've been doing,and maybe this will help better
> explain what i'm experiencing.
> I'll post that link later on tonight
>
> Thanks again
>
> [email]keepout******.com.invali[/email]d;4668037 Wrote:[color=green]
>> You have mentioned that this is way beyond your know how. So this might
>> be
>> relevant..
>>
>> You said you formatted the drive. There's normally no reason to format
>> drives
>> today. Resizing, and creating partitions yes..
>>
>> I'll assume you have a 300 gigabyte main drive..and you have a vista
>> install
>> disk. size is irrelevant, other than the need for enough space to
>> installthe
>> system.
>>
>> Fire things up, go DIRECTLY to setup in the BIOS, and have it boot
>> fromthe CD.
>> reboot if necessary.
>> Now when the install disk says hello, go the partitioning section of
>> the setup.
>> You just may have screwed the HD. Now create an 80gig C:\partition. or
>> partition the whole drive. You don't really need more than 80 gigs for
>> the OS,
>> But if you do, having the entire drive as 1 partition would be better
>> than
>> needing more system space later.
>> The setup will ask you quick or full format. I'll assume the drive
>> isn't
>> totally screwed. Select quick format.
>>
>> After this, it may want another reboot. Now install Vista to the
>> partition that
>> you just created. C:\windows
>> That should pretty much do it.
>>
>> Ok, if it fails with quick format, chances are you did scramble
>> something
>> trying to format the drive. Repeat the above, but use full format
>> insteadof
>> quick, and go take a nap. This will take awhile, possibly hours.
>> now do your install.
>>
>> Once the OS is working go back into setup, and have it boot from C:\
>> instead of
>> the CD.[/color]
>
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That's what has e totally confused. The CPU should see it as a new
HDD,but sure enough it gives me the "winload missing error" message. I
guess i'll try formatting it again tonight

Michael;4668930 Wrote:[color=blue]
> If your drive was formatted correctly you shouldn't see any of these
> options. It should be clean. Apparently the DVD is detecting a
> Windows
> install.
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>
> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>
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Keep in touch. This is a weird one I've never heard of. Good luck.
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>
> That's what has e totally confused. The CPU should see it as a new
> HDD,but sure enough it gives me the "winload missing error" message. I
> guess i'll try formatting it again tonight
>
> Michael;4668930 Wrote:[color=green]
>> If your drive was formatted correctly you shouldn't see any of these
>> options. It should be clean. Apparently the DVD is detecting a
>> Windows
>> install.
>> --
>>
>>
>> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.
>> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."
>>
>>
>>[/color]
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Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
video,please let me know what you think:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url]


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Try the following:

1) In your BIOS, disable "Plug and Play Operating System"

2) Clean your Vista disc with a mild solution and soft cloth - make
sure no scratches exist.

3) Make sure no devices are connected to any USB port


akumageorges wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
> video,please let me know what you think:
>
> [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url]
>
>[/color]

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges
<akumageorges.40svrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
>video,please let me know what you think:
>
>[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]

Another problem that I have on almost EVERY DVD. Grab yourself some toilet
paper, and wipe all the fingerprints off the DVD. It'll load much faster also.
use a light bulb at an angle to the DVD to see if you removed all the dust,
dirt, thumb prints, grease etc...

Then reboot.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges
<akumageorges.40svrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
>video,please let me know what you think:
>
>[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]
also you said your booting from the HD, but your bios disagrees. it says the
main is a HD. Go to boot like I said and set the DVD as the MAIN Boot drive.
Install your OS and when you're done, set the BOOT MAIN back to the C:\windows
on the HD.

Will do,as soon as i get home. A question tho,does that explain the
winload.exe error message? or will this bypass it and just install vista
in a new partition?

[email]keepout******.com.invali[/email]d;4670292 Wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges
> <akumageorges.40svrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
> >
> >Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
> >video,please let me know what you think:
> >
> >[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]
> also you said your booting from the HD, but your bios disagrees. it
> says the
> main is a HD. Go to boot like I said and set the DVD as the MAIN Boot
> drive.
> Install your OS and when you're done, set the BOOT MAIN back to the
> C:\windows
> on the HD.[/color]


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No, you are already set up to boot from the DVD. It just looks funny on the
screen, because of the highlighting; at first it fooled me too, so I went
back & looked.

On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:34:43 +0530, akumageorges wrote:
[color=blue]
> Will do,as soon as i get home. A question tho,does that explain the
> winload.exe error message? or will this bypass it and just install vista
> in a new partition?
>
> [email]keepout******.com.invali[/email]d;4670292 Wrote:[color=green]
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges
>> <akumageorges.40svrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>
>>>Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
>>>video,please let me know what you think:
>>>
>>>[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]
>> also you said your booting from the HD, but your bios disagrees. it
>> says the
>> main is a HD. Go to boot like I said and set the DVD as the MAIN Boot
>> drive.
>> Install your OS and when you're done, set the BOOT MAIN back to the
>> C:\windows
>> on the HD.[/color][/color]


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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
> video,please let me know what you think:
>
> [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]

The video is good enough, don't apologize :-)

The [WinXP/Vista] label merely says the plug&play in the BIOS is compatible
with those two OSes, not that you ever had XP installed. It has nothing to
do with what's actually *in* in the computer, and it is not to worry about.

Since you do have the CD as the first boot device, it is acting like the
CD's boot sector is also be messed up. Or else the CD is trying to boot
from the HD, but I don't expect or understand that...

If nothing else helps, maybe your dog can fix it (just kidding!).

Oh yeah - I wouldn't use toilet paper on the CD, I'd use microfiber cloth.
Or get or borrow a new CD...

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:34:43 +0530, akumageorges
<akumageorges.40tynb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>
>Will do,as soon as i get home. A question tho,does that explain the
>winload.exe error message? or will this bypass it and just install vista
>in a new partition?
>
>keepout******.com.invalid;4670292 Wrote: [color=green]
>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:58:49 +0530, akumageorges
>> <akumageorges.40svrb@DoNotSpam.com> wrote:
>> [color=darkred]
>> >
>> >Hi guys,as promised earlier today,here is teh youtube link of the
>> >video,please let me know what you think:
>> >
>> >[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiQcnRK4f5M[/url][/color]
>> also you said your booting from the HD, but your bios disagrees. it
>> says the
>> main is a HD. Go to boot like I said and set the DVD as the MAIN Boot
>> drive.
>> Install your OS and when you're done, set the BOOT MAIN back to the
>> C:\windows
>> on the HD.[/color][/color]

I watched and took shots of your OS. The long 'loading' points to a dirtyCD.
Taking extra time to read that particular file over and over again, and
eventually giving up with the corrupted error. This problem can also occur
AFTER the installation. setup disks sometimes just copy verbatim what's on the
CD, errors and all. I had a program ALWAYS fail at the same place. I had a
thumb print on the CD. It wrote a bad sector to the HD.
Cleaned the CD, removed the program and reinstalled, and it worked.
The odds that you have a bad CD compared to all the working ones is miniscule.
And not a reason to get a new drive, unless you know something about thatdrive
we don't.

As for using toilet paper to clean a CD, I've been using it for eyeglasses and
CD's for years. DRY TP, not wet. You can wet what you're cleaning. But a single
ply of TP won't clean much moisture. It works just fine. And much cheaperthan
high cost TP with a fancy name. Actually I use single ply. If you have money to
burn, by all means get the fanciest named paper on the market. Do not use
Kleenex. I found the hard way why my eyeglasses never stopped blurring when I
used Kleenex. Kleenex comes with lotion in it.

I think a quick clean of the CD may fix everything.
Then again, you also have a dog. Dog hair gets into everything. You mightneed
to get some of that aerosol in a can[I have tech spray FREON], and blow the
insides of the drive out. Or vacuum the drive door.