"BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce@starinski.com> wrote in
news:hbnquj$m90$1@news.eternal-september.org:

<SNIP STUPID CR*P>
[color=blue]
>
> Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common,
> security flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus
> writer or hacker will get what he wanted from writing program for
> Linux? He wants to see his virus on the news, to cause lot of damage,
> for people to talk about it. To achieve this he has to write a virus
> for an operating system which is widely used, which is windows.[/color]

So writing *another* virus for Windows that may become mildly successful
is more desirable and more noteworthy than being the first to write a
successful one for Linux that gets released into the wild, lives , and
multiplies, and becomes some type of problem ?

I'd think being the first would be much more impressive than to be the
thousandth.


<more incoherant babble snipped>
[color=blue]
> Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software
>
> <!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design-
> If you have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you
> might go through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The
> problems with open source programming I s that they only think about
> programming but not about user friendliness or the interface.[/color]

Incorrect.
[color=blue]
> Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,[/color]

This means absolutely nothing. A window based GUI is a windows based GUI.
There are 4 main 'desktops' available for Linux and they all offer many
of the same features, and each has their own features as well.
[color=blue]
> but still need lots of improvements
> in other areas.
>
>
> <!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of
> the time the documentation is written in a way that only experts can
> understand. When you use open source software, if you encounter even a
> simple problem, you may have to read through 100 of documents and user
> forum until you find a solution.[/color]

This may be true. But who reads documentation.
[color=blue]
> I installed Ubuntu once and internet
> was not working, it took me one week to find the solution, many would
> have already given up.[/color]

You'd admit to that ?
[color=blue]
> <!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This
> is the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play
> video games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source
> guy, he will immediately answer "We don't play games".[/color]

Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that there
are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3 under
WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native binaries
in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.
[color=blue]
> <!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since
> so many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot
> of time for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute
> efficiently. This may have a huge impact on the future of the project.
> There are millions of lines of coding; it could break down on its own
> weight. ( Check the speed of windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)[/color]

Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will have
to spend time getting up to speed.

DanS wrote:[color=blue]
> "BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce@starinski.com> wrote in
> news:hbnquj$m90$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> <SNIP STUPID CR*P>
>[color=green]
>> Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common,
>> security flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus
>> writer or hacker will get what he wanted from writing program for
>> Linux? He wants to see his virus on the news, to cause lot of damage,
>> for people to talk about it. To achieve this he has to write a virus
>> for an operating system which is widely used, which is windows.[/color]
>
> So writing *another* virus for Windows that may become mildly successful
> is more desirable and more noteworthy than being the first to write a
> successful one for Linux that gets released into the wild, lives , and
> multiplies, and becomes some type of problem ?
>
> I'd think being the first would be much more impressive than to be the
> thousandth.
>
>
> <more incoherant babble snipped>
>[color=green]
>> Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software
>>
>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design-
>> If you have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you
>> might go through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The
>> problems with open source programming I s that they only think about
>> programming but not about user friendliness or the interface.[/color]
>
> Incorrect.
>[color=green]
>> Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,[/color]
>
> This means absolutely nothing. A window based GUI is a windows based GUI.
> There are 4 main 'desktops' available for Linux and they all offer many
> of the same features, and each has their own features as well.
>[color=green]
>> but still need lots of improvements
>> in other areas.
>>
>>
>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of
>> the time the documentation is written in a way that only experts can
>> understand. When you use open source software, if you encounter even a
>> simple problem, you may have to read through 100 of documents and user
>> forum until you find a solution.[/color]
>
> This may be true. But who reads documentation.
>[color=green]
>> I installed Ubuntu once and internet
>> was not working, it took me one week to find the solution, many would
>> have already given up.[/color]
>
> You'd admit to that ?
>[color=green]
>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This
>> is the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play
>> video games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source
>> guy, he will immediately answer "We don't play games".[/color]
>
> Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that there
> are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
> anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
> relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3 under
> WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native binaries
> in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.
>[color=green]
>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since
>> so many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot
>> of time for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute
>> efficiently. This may have a huge impact on the future of the project.
>> There are millions of lines of coding; it could break down on its own
>> weight. ( Check the speed of windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)[/color]
>
> Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will have
> to spend time getting up to speed.[/color]

Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.

Alias

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
news:hbo4rg$ek6$1@news.eternal-september.org...[color=blue]
> DanS wrote:[color=green]
>> "BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce@starinski.com> wrote in
>> news:hbnquj$m90$1@news.eternal-september.org: <SNIP STUPID CR*P>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common,
>>> security flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus
>>> writer or hacker will get what he wanted from writing program for
>>> Linux? He wants to see his virus on the news, to cause lot of damage,
>>> for people to talk about it. To achieve this he has to write a virus
>>> for an operating system which is widely used, which is windows.[/color]
>>
>> So writing *another* virus for Windows that may become mildly successful
>> is more desirable and more noteworthy than being the first to write a
>> successful one for Linux that gets released into the wild, lives , and
>> multiplies, and becomes some type of problem ? I'd think being the first
>> would be much more impressive than to be the
>> thousandth. <more incoherant babble snipped>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software
>>>
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design-
>>> If you have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you
>>> might go through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The
>>> problems with open source programming I s that they only think about
>>> programming but not about user friendliness or the interface.[/color]
>>
>> Incorrect.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,[/color]
>>
>> This means absolutely nothing. A window based GUI is a windows based GUI.
>> There are 4 main 'desktops' available for Linux and they all offer many
>> of the same features, and each has their own features as well.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> but still need lots of improvements
>>> in other areas.
>>>
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of
>>> the time the documentation is written in a way that only experts can
>>> understand. When you use open source software, if you encounter even a
>>> simple problem, you may have to read through 100 of documents and user
>>> forum until you find a solution.[/color]
>>
>> This may be true. But who reads documentation.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I installed Ubuntu once and internet
>>> was not working, it took me one week to find the solution, many would
>>> have already given up.[/color]
>>
>> You'd admit to that ?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This
>>> is the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play
>>> video games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source
>>> guy, he will immediately answer "We don't play games".[/color]
>>
>> Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that there
>> are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
>> anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
>> relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3 under
>> WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native binaries
>> in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since
>>> so many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot
>>> of time for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute
>>> efficiently. This may have a huge impact on the future of the project.
>>> There are millions of lines of coding; it could break down on its own
>>> weight. ( Check the speed of windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)[/color]
>>
>> Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will have
>> to spend time getting up to speed.[/color]
>
> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>
> Alias[/color]

Using logic and reason with Alias is a futile endeavor. Look at what you
are doing. This is the Vista group and you are trying to shove that
INFERIOR Ubuntu down peoples throats. What a loser.

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> DanS wrote:[color=green]
>> "BRUCE STARINSKI" <bruce@starinski.com> wrote in
>> news:hbnquj$m90$1@news.eternal-september.org:
>> <SNIP STUPID CR*P>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Those who criticize windows have one strong argument in common,
>>> security flaws and virus threats. Do you ever think that a virus
>>> writer or hacker will get what he wanted from writing program for
>>> Linux? He wants to see his virus on the news, to cause lot of damage,
>>> for people to talk about it. To achieve this he has to write a virus
>>> for an operating system which is widely used, which is windows.[/color]
>>
>> So writing *another* virus for Windows that may become mildly successful
>> is more desirable and more noteworthy than being the first to write a
>> successful one for Linux that gets released into the wild, lives , and
>> multiplies, and becomes some type of problem ?
>> I'd think being the first would be much more impressive than to be the
>> thousandth.
>>
>> <more incoherant babble snipped>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Let's look at fundamental issues of Open Source software
>>>
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->1. <!--[endif]-->Bad User Interface Design-
>>> If you have ever used Linux you'll experience the troubles that you
>>> might go through unless you have some good knowledge in computers. The
>>> problems with open source programming I s that they only think about
>>> programming but not about user friendliness or the interface.[/color]
>>
>> Incorrect.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Ubuntu tries to copy windows XP,[/color]
>>
>> This means absolutely nothing. A window based GUI is a windows based
>> GUI. There are 4 main 'desktops' available for Linux and they all
>> offer many of the same features, and each has their own features as well.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> but still need lots of improvements
>>> in other areas.
>>>
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->2. <!--[endif]-->Bad Documentation-Most of
>>> the time the documentation is written in a way that only experts can
>>> understand. When you use open source software, if you encounter even a
>>> simple problem, you may have to read through 100 of documents and user
>>> forum until you find a solution.[/color]
>>
>> This may be true. But who reads documentation.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I installed Ubuntu once and internet
>>> was not working, it took me one week to find the solution, many would
>>> have already given up.[/color]
>>
>> You'd admit to that ?
>>[color=darkred]
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->3. <!--[endif]-->Give us what they want- This
>>> is the main disadvantage of open source software projects. Can we play
>>> video games in Linux or Ubuntu? Ask this question from an Open Source
>>> guy, he will immediately answer "We don't play games".[/color]
>>
>> Ask another one and he may answer differently. I would answer that
>> there are some games available (and I'm not talking lame games like 2d
>> anything) but many of the windows games will play under WINE. I'd then
>> relate my personal experience that when I installed and ran Quake3
>> under WINE, it actually ran better under WINE than running as native
>> binaries in Windows. Many games function properly under WINE.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> <!--[if !supportLists]-->4. <!--[endif]-->Slow development rate- Since
>>> so many developers may join and leave the project, it may take a lot
>>> of time for a new guy to join the ongoing project and contribute
>>> efficiently. This may have a huge impact on the future of the project.
>>> There are millions of lines of coding; it could break down on its own
>>> weight. ( Check the speed of windows XP vs Red Hat Linux)[/color]
>>
>> Duh. Any new person coming into a project, commercial or not, will
>> have to spend time getting up to speed.[/color]
>
> Using logic and reason with these guys is a futile endeavor.
>
> Alias[/color]

Projecting again?...LOL!