Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop)
and Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in
early 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had
numerous troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years
(why did we not stick to XP instead?)

I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
apologies.

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7l49$tv5$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop) and
> Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in early
> 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had numerous
> troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years (why did we
> not stick to XP instead?)
>
> I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
> MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
> apologies.[/color]

No.

Vadim Igorev wrote:[color=blue]
> Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop)
> and Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in
> early 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had
> numerous troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years
> (why did we not stick to XP instead?)
>
> I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
> MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
> apologies.[/color]

Microsoft doesn't care about you at all. The WPA, WGA and now WAT
programs are proof of this.

Alias

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7l49$tv5$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop) and
> Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in early
> 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had numerous
> troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years (why did we
> not stick to XP instead?)
>
> I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
> MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
> apologies.[/color]

Vista worked perfectly OK here on my Toshiba - would a car manufacturer
allow you to swap a vehicle nearly TWO years old?

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7l49$tv5$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop) and
> Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in early
> 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had numerous
> troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years (why did we
> not stick to XP instead?)
>
> I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
> MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
> apologies.[/color]

Not a chance. Your loss if you don't upgrade.

Gordon wrote:
[color=blue]
> would a car manufacturer
> allow you to swap a vehicle nearly TWO years old?[/color]

No, car manufacturer would not. Does that mean MicroSoft should stop
badmouthing Vista trough their shills-journalists and let me to continue
to use it if I choose so? (my wife switches to 15" Mac laptop soon, I'll
stick to Vista for a while, because we paid good money for it back in 2007).

"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
news:ud2LW2bTKHA.1372@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
> news:hb7l49$tv5$1@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Will MicroSoft return my money for Vista Home Premium (Toshiba laptop)
>> and Vista Ultimate (HP desktop) me and my wife bought on the hype in
>> early 2007? Her laptop wireless is still hardly usable, and I had
>> numerous troubles with Vista itself and peripherals in the last 2 years
>> (why did we not stick to XP instead?)
>>
>> I will not be "upgrading" to Vista 7 or whatever other oncoming hack by
>> MS, unless the chair-thrower returns my money with 2-year interest and
>> apologies.[/color]
>
> Vista worked perfectly OK here on my Toshiba - would a car manufacturer
> allow you to swap a vehicle nearly TWO years old?[/color]

Err - No <sigh> Umm they won't. Err.

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7ms7$ij$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Gordon wrote:
>[color=green]
>> would a car manufacturer allow you to swap a vehicle nearly TWO years
>> old?[/color]
>
> No, car manufacturer would not. Does that mean MicroSoft should stop
> badmouthing Vista trough their shills-journalists and let me to continue
> to use it if I choose so? (my wife switches to 15" Mac laptop soon, I'll
> stick to Vista for a while, because we paid good money for it back in
> 2007).[/color]

Nobody forced you to purchase PC's with Vista. You could have had XP
installed on them.

Microsoft isn't forcing you to use any product. You NO LIKE Vista, use XP.
You NO LIKE XP use a MAC. One thing for sure stay away from that CRAPPY
Ubuntu that is INFERIOR to everything else.

Karen Jayne Panzke wrote:
[color=blue]
> One thing for sure stay away from that
> CRAPPY Ubuntu that is INFERIOR to everything else.[/color]

I'll stay away from Ubuntu, promise. There was a substantial pressure
back in 2007 to upgrade to Vista - we could not find a decent laptop at
CircuitCity without Vista on it in March 2007. Our system administrator
(who does not work there anymore, btw) was raving about how different
and great will be the Vista experience and how obsolete and grayish is
XP comparing to Vista. I got an important lesson in life - adult
colleagues of yours, whom you trust, may lie shamelessly, being,
apparently, funded by MicroSoft.

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7ndm$194$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Karen Jayne Panzke wrote:
>[color=green]
>> One thing for sure stay away from that CRAPPY Ubuntu that is INFERIOR to
>> everything else.[/color]
>
> I'll stay away from Ubuntu, promise. There was a substantial pressure back
> in 2007 to upgrade to Vista - we could not find a decent laptop at
> CircuitCity without Vista on it in March 2007. Our system administrator
> (who does not work there anymore, btw) was raving about how different and
> great will be the Vista experience and how obsolete and grayish is XP
> comparing to Vista. I got an important lesson in life - adult colleagues
> of yours, whom you trust, may lie shamelessly, being, apparently, funded
> by MicroSoft.[/color]

So you bought a laptop with Vista already installed? Do you know how much
you actually paid for the Vista component of the laptop? VERY LITTLE.
So don't talk about paying good money for Vista because you didn't.

Gordon wrote:
[color=blue]
> So you bought a laptop with Vista already installed? Do you know how
> much you actually paid for the Vista component of the laptop? VERY LITTLE.
> So don't talk about paying good money for Vista because you didn't.[/color]

I do not know precise price, thanks to MicroSoft hiding it from retail
customers like me, because, you know what? I would long time request the
refund and return the Vista license(s) back to MicroSoft.

"Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
news:hb7o8a$194$2@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Gordon wrote:
>[color=green]
>> So you bought a laptop with Vista already installed? Do you know how much
>> you actually paid for the Vista component of the laptop? VERY LITTLE.
>> So don't talk about paying good money for Vista because you didn't.[/color]
>
> I do not know precise price, thanks to MicroSoft hiding it from retail
> customers like me, because, you know what? I would long time request the
> refund and return the Vista license(s) back to MicroSoft.[/color]

I'm sorry, but if you are only now complaining about Vista performance after
OVER TWO YEARS then no-one is going to listen to you...

"Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Vadim Igorev" <jhRcME@SMkdCb.edu> wrote in message
> news:hb7o8a$194$2@aioe.org...[color=green]
>> Gordon wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> So you bought a laptop with Vista already installed? Do you know how
>>> much you actually paid for the Vista component of the laptop? VERY
>>> LITTLE.
>>> So don't talk about paying good money for Vista because you didn't.[/color]
>>
>> I do not know precise price, thanks to MicroSoft hiding it from retail
>> customers like me, because, you know what? I would long time request the
>> refund and return the Vista license(s) back to MicroSoft.[/color]
>
> I'm sorry, but if you are only now complaining about Vista performance
> after OVER TWO YEARS then no-one is going to listen to you...[/color]

Err - Especially <sigh> nobody is going to listen to GORDON, the NET COP,
Umm, of the Vista forum. Err.

Gordon wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sorry, but if you are only now complaining about Vista performance
> after OVER TWO YEARS then no-one is going to listen to you...[/color]
I'm complaining now, because I feel deja-vu all over again - all those
shills online badmouthing Vista 1 and preaching Vista 7, as they were
badmouthing XP 2 years ago in 2007 and pushing me and my wife to
"upgrade" to Vista. What I'm trying to say is: "Fool me once, thank you
very much". Vista is actually usable now after all those service packs
(wifi on the laptop still drops regularly, though). Would I have my
current knowledge of life, I'd happily continued to use XP up to 2010 at
least (that is, until SP1 for Vista 7 is released) and then, maybe,
"upgrade". Vista 1 did not improve my daily productivity at all,
actually for the first year or so it brought it down substantially.

On Oct 15, 7:05*pm, Vadim Igorev <jhR...@SMkdCb.edu> wrote:[color=blue]
> Gordon wrote:[color=green]
> > So you bought a laptop with Vista already installed? Do you know how
> > much you actually paid for the Vista component of the laptop? VERY LITTLE.
> > So don't talk about paying good money for Vista because you didn't.[/color]
>
> I do not know precise price, thanks to MicroSoft hiding it from retail
> customers like me, because, you know what? I would long time request the
> refund and return the Vista license(s) back to MicroSoft.[/color]

You have purchased these PCs from another company besides Microsoft.
It is those companies who has hid the prices of Vista since they
included Vista on their products and not Microsoft.