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Old 10-13-2009, 06:20 PM
Gene E. Bloch
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Re: no administrator account

I just read a post on a (slightly) related topic from lemur, which gave me
this idea.

Find the program's "program files" or "program files (x86)" folder and see
if there is an uninstaller in that folder. Run *that* program with elevated
privileges (same as "Run as Administrator"). It should do the job.

If that is what you meant all along, then I didn't manage to get it from
what you said - sorry.

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:10:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
[color=blue]
> No, it is your concept which is wrong.
>
> Run as Administrator applies only to the one specific application which is
> started in that mode, and only for the duration of that particular instance
> of the application.
>
> Perhaps you were trying to suggest logging on to *the* Administrator
> account to perform the uninstallation. This is a very different idea.
>
> If that is what you meant, I would expect it to work, but I am not sure. I
> have never had a problem with permissions when uninstalling applications
> that I have installed, so I've never tried or researched using the
> Administrator account to uninstall an app.
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:24:09 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>[color=green]
>> May be my choice of words is not up to par.
>> Run As Administrator would have the necessary permissions to perform certain
>> tasks which require elevated rights, such as un-installing a program.
>> t-4-2
>>
>> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:8bqxmnv6130m$.1svd9srmjaucb.dlg@40tude.net...[color=darkred]
>>> You're still totally wrong. Running a program as administrator has nothing
>>> to do with uninstalling the program.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:17:59 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who said Run As Administrator is going to give an option to uninstall ?"
>>>> Did I say that ? Don't put words in my mouth.
>>>> Run As Administrator would give required Permission to un-install.
>>>>
>>>> t-4-2
>>>>
>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:#5ZpxeCTKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>> "desiree7790" <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:5ECA7769-8B05-4045-B119-7D5124EE5F2E@microsoft.com...
>>>>>> A box : a problem caused the program to stop working correctly. Windows
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> close the program and notify you if a sloution is available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> RUNNING a program as Administrator isn't going to give you any option to
>>>>> uninstall it....
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color][/color][/color]


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Old 10-13-2009, 06:20 PM
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Old 10-13-2009, 06:50 PM
t-4-2
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Re: no administrator account

That's what I meant. Even on CMD ( command prompt ) one needs to right
click, click Run as Administrator if one wants to do a System File Check (
sfc ).
OK. Case closed.

t-4-2

"Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
news:1bfk9twubanc3.64w2kz44p017$.dlg@40tude.net...[color=blue]
> I just read a post on a (slightly) related topic from lemur, which gave me
> this idea.
>
> Find the program's "program files" or "program files (x86)" folder and see
> if there is an uninstaller in that folder. Run *that* program with
> elevated
> privileges (same as "Run as Administrator"). It should do the job.
>
> If that is what you meant all along, then I didn't manage to get it from
> what you said - sorry.
>
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:10:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>[color=green]
>> No, it is your concept which is wrong.
>>
>> Run as Administrator applies only to the one specific application which
>> is
>> started in that mode, and only for the duration of that particular
>> instance
>> of the application.
>>
>> Perhaps you were trying to suggest logging on to *the* Administrator
>> account to perform the uninstallation. This is a very different idea.
>>
>> If that is what you meant, I would expect it to work, but I am not sure.
>> I
>> have never had a problem with permissions when uninstalling applications
>> that I have installed, so I've never tried or researched using the
>> Administrator account to uninstall an app.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:24:09 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> May be my choice of words is not up to par.
>>> Run As Administrator would have the necessary permissions to perform
>>> certain
>>> tasks which require elevated rights, such as un-installing a program.
>>> t-4-2
>>>
>>> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:8bqxmnv6130m$.1svd9srmjaucb.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>> You're still totally wrong. Running a program as administrator has
>>>> nothing
>>>> to do with uninstalling the program.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:17:59 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Who said Run As Administrator is going to give an option to uninstall
>>>>> ?"
>>>>> Did I say that ? Don't put words in my mouth.
>>>>> Run As Administrator would give required Permission to un-install.
>>>>>
>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:#5ZpxeCTKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "desiree7790" <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>> message
>>>>>> news:5ECA7769-8B05-4045-B119-7D5124EE5F2E@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>> A box : a problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> close the program and notify you if a sloution is available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RUNNING a program as Administrator isn't going to give you any option
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> uninstall it....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color][/color]
>
>
> --
> Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color]

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Old 10-14-2009, 08:10 AM
R. C. White
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Re: no administrator account

Hi, desiree.

HOW are you trying to remove the program?

Please tell us, step by step, what keys you press or click and what messages
you see. Please don't paraphrase, but post the messages verbatim. (You MAY
be able to copy'n'paste the message into your next post.)

In Vista, we normally use Control Panel | Programs and Features, highlight
the application we want to remove, click Uninstall, and let Vista do the
rest. Is that what you are doing? What messages are you seeing? (I'm
using Win7 now and I don't recall at which point Vista asks for
Administrator credentials, even if you are running in an Administrator
account, but that is normal behavior for Vista. Win7 automatically removes
a few of the removable barricades in this process.)

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"desiree7790" <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:2DC1AC7A-FA88-4CF6-9770-A61196E56B27@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> windows vista, I should have 3 accounts in my laptop, the original
> adminstrator, guest which is off, and another one with adminstrator
> rights,
> when I try to use the last one to remove any software, it just let me know
> that I need administrator right to download or remove. How can I restore
> the
> original administrator account?[/color]

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Old 10-14-2009, 11:30 AM
Gene E. Bloch
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Re: no administrator account

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:48:53 -0500, lemur wrote:
[color=blue]
> Gene E. Bloch;1159626 Wrote:[color=green]
>> I just read a post on a (slightly) related topic from lemur, which gave
>> me
>> this idea.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> That crazy Lemur. He doesn't know what he's taking about! :p[/color]

Yeah, I noticed :-)

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Old 10-14-2009, 11:40 AM
Gene E. Bloch
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Re: no administrator account

From what you just said, I'm still not sure if you and I are on the same
page here...

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:44:26 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
[color=blue]
> That's what I meant. Even on CMD ( command prompt ) one needs to right
> click, click Run as Administrator if one wants to do a System File Check (
> sfc ).
> OK. Case closed.
>
> t-4-2
>
> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1bfk9twubanc3.64w2kz44p017$.dlg@40tude.net...[color=green]
>> I just read a post on a (slightly) related topic from lemur, which gave me
>> this idea.
>>
>> Find the program's "program files" or "program files (x86)" folder and see
>> if there is an uninstaller in that folder. Run *that* program with
>> elevated
>> privileges (same as "Run as Administrator"). It should do the job.
>>
>> If that is what you meant all along, then I didn't manage to get it from
>> what you said - sorry.
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 18:10:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> No, it is your concept which is wrong.
>>>
>>> Run as Administrator applies only to the one specific application which
>>> is
>>> started in that mode, and only for the duration of that particular
>>> instance
>>> of the application.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you were trying to suggest logging on to *the* Administrator
>>> account to perform the uninstallation. This is a very different idea.
>>>
>>> If that is what you meant, I would expect it to work, but I am not sure.
>>> I
>>> have never had a problem with permissions when uninstalling applications
>>> that I have installed, so I've never tried or researched using the
>>> Administrator account to uninstall an app.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:24:09 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>>>
>>>> May be my choice of words is not up to par.
>>>> Run As Administrator would have the necessary permissions to perform
>>>> certain
>>>> tasks which require elevated rights, such as un-installing a program.
>>>> t-4-2
>>>>
>>>> "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:8bqxmnv6130m$.1svd9srmjaucb.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>> You're still totally wrong. Running a program as administrator has
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> to do with uninstalling the program.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:17:59 -0400, t-4-2 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Who said Run As Administrator is going to give an option to uninstall
>>>>>> ?"
>>>>>> Did I say that ? Don't put words in my mouth.
>>>>>> Run As Administrator would give required Permission to un-install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> t-4-2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gordon" <gordonbparker******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:#5ZpxeCTKHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "desiree7790" <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> news:5ECA7769-8B05-4045-B119-7D5124EE5F2E@microsoft.com...
>>>>>>>> A box : a problem caused the program to stop working correctly.
>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> close the program and notify you if a sloution is available.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RUNNING a program as Administrator isn't going to give you any option
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> uninstall it....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color]
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color][/color]


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Old 10-15-2009, 08:10 AM
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Re: no administrator account

with windows xp, just ctrl+alt+del on welcome screen and show administrator,
any way for windowx vista to show adminstrator account?

"desiree7790" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have Onecare since 6 months, I downloaded in my computer working good, and
> I tried to download it with my account in my laptop.
>
> "FredW" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:26:18 -0700, desiree7790
> > <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > >1. windows live onecare, I have this one in my computer but in my laptop I
> > >downloaded but it didn't finish. I removed windows defender, to try to
> > >download one care again but now I stuck with.
> > >2. no[/color]
> >
> >
> > The development of Windows Live One care has been ended.
> > [url]http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm[/url]
> >
> > The replacement is Microsoft Security Essentials.
> > [url]http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/[/url]
> >
> > Windows Defender is now included in Microsoft Security Essentials.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fred W. (NL)
> >[/color][/color]
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:40 AM
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"desiree7790" <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:AE4ADD8C-9C1B-4FBD-99CE-C63B5DD1883D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> with windows xp, just ctrl+alt+del on welcome screen and show
> administrator,
> any way for windowx vista to show adminstrator account?
>[/color]

Only the business versions AFAIK, just like it's only XP Pro that has the
Ctl-Alt-Del log-in...

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Old 10-15-2009, 10:50 AM
Gene E. Bloch
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Re: no administrator account

Open a command window as Administrator, the do the following command:

net user Administrator /active:yes

You should then be able to switch user to the administrator without even
needing to reboot. Of course, you could also reboot and choose that
account.

When you are finished needing the Administrator, you can repeat the above
command, substituting no for yes, to turn it off.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:04:03 -0700, desiree7790 wrote:
[color=blue]
> with windows xp, just ctrl+alt+del on welcome screen and show administrator,
> any way for windowx vista to show adminstrator account?
>
> "desiree7790" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I have Onecare since 6 months, I downloaded in my computer working good, and
>> I tried to download it with my account in my laptop.
>>
>> "FredW" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:26:18 -0700, desiree7790
>>> <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >1. windows live onecare, I have this one in my computer but in my laptop I
>>> >downloaded but it didn't finish. I removed windows defender, to try to
>>> >download one care again but now I stuck with.
>>> >2. no
>>>
>>>
>>> The development of Windows Live One care has been ended.
>>> [url]http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm[/url]
>>>
>>> The replacement is Microsoft Security Essentials.
>>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/[/url]
>>>
>>> Windows Defender is now included in Microsoft Security Essentials.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fred W. (NL)
>>>[/color][/color][/color]


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Old 10-15-2009, 11:10 AM
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On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:45:02 -0700, desiree7790
<desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:[color=blue]
>"FredW" wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 10:26:18 -0700, desiree7790
>> <desiree7790@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> >1. windows live onecare, I have this one in my computer but in my laptop I
>> >downloaded but it didn't finish. I removed windows defender, to try to
>> >download one care again but now I stuck with.
>> >2. no[/color]
>>
>> The development of Windows Live One care has been ended.
>> [url]http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm[/url]
>>
>> The replacement is Microsoft Security Essentials.
>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/Security_Essentials/[/url]
>>
>> Windows Defender is now included in Microsoft Security Essentials.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
>I have Onecare since 6 months, I downloaded in my computer working good, and
>I tried to download it with my account in my laptop.[/color]


So now you asked the same question again,
and you got the same answers I gave you.

It is time to forget about the now (almost?) defunct Live One Crash.
You cannot remove Windows Defender as it is a integral part of Windows
Vista, you can only turn it off.

Move on to Microsoft Security Essentials, which also includes Windows
Defender.
Personally I would not want to risk my PC to a brand new antivirus
software program and most certainly not to such a Microsoft product.
Maybe in a half year or so, there will be reliable test available,
showing how MSE works in the wild (or not).

But then it is your own choice to test any anitvirus program you like.
;-)

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