No. Normally a drive is a physical drive. A primairy partition
is a partition, and a logical drive is in fact a wrong name,
but it means a partition in the extended partition.



<.> schreef in bericht news:uTviStHTKHA.4324@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> He means logical drives not physical drives.
>
> --
> ..
> --
> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
> news:O8QhLFHTKHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Why can I not install 2 OSes on a single drive that is portioned into 2
> > drives??C: and D:
> >
> > Is it because of windows 7 or Vista??I have had XP and Linux on one
> > drive.??
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Doug
> > "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper******.com> wrote in message
> > news:u03Tmk%23SKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> >> You cannot install two OSes on the same drive, they must be on different
> >> drives.
> >>
> >> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Od1ekJ7SKHA.4980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >>> This may sound like a stupid question???Does it matter if I install
> >>> Windows 7 on a different drive than C:(where I have Vista installed??)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Again
> >>>
> >>> Doug
> >>> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper******.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:uT%23u593SKHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >>>> Yes, Windows has a boot loader and if you load your OSes in the right
> >>>> order (oldest first, newest second) you should be all set.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> >>>>> I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
> >>>>> 3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
> >>>>> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would
> >>>>> like to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
> >>>>> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista
> >>>>> have the ability to dual boot ??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank You
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Doug
> >>>>
> >>>[/color]
> >[/color]
>[/color]


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Sorry, phraseology mix-up. You can install them on the same drive but they
must be installed in different PARTITIONS.

"Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
news:O8QhLFHTKHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Why can I not install 2 OSes on a single drive that is portioned into 2
> drives??C: and D:
>
> Is it because of windows 7 or Vista??I have had XP and Linux on one
> drive.??
>
> Thanks
>
> Doug
> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper******.com> wrote in message
> news:u03Tmk%23SKHA.1232@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> You cannot install two OSes on the same drive, they must be on different
>> drives.
>>
>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>> news:Od1ekJ7SKHA.4980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> This may sound like a stupid question???Does it matter if I install
>>> Windows 7 on a different drive than C:(where I have Vista installed??)
>>>
>>> Thanks Again
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> "Richard G. Harper" <rgharper******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:uT%23u593SKHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Yes, Windows has a boot loader and if you load your OSes in the right
>>>> order (oldest first, newest second) you should be all set.
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
>>>>> 3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
>>>>> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would
>>>>> like to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
>>>>> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista
>>>>> have the ability to dual boot ??
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Hi, Doug.

Yes, as I said in my looong post, the shifting drive letters are perfectly
normal to the computer, but they often confuse us humans - until we shake
off the single-boot mindset. :^}

We have two options when installing Vista or Win7:

1. Boot into Vista. Insert the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there. Setup
will see and "inherit" Vista's drive letter assignments.

2. Boot from the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there. Setup will not know
Vista's drive letter assignments, so it will assign the letter C: to its own
boot volume (which is the "drive" you choose), then assign D: to the start
volume and other letters in sequence following that.

Some users want the boot volume to always be Drive C:, so they prefer option
2. With that option, Vista and Win7 will each see itself in the familiar
Drive C:, but that letter will refer to a different partition in the
different OS.

Others (including myself) prefer to break the Drive C: mindset and choose
option 1. We might let Vista keep Drive C: and assign Drive G: (the 7th
letter of the alphabet) or W: or X:... to Win7's boot volume. When we boot
into Vista to install Win7, we can use Disk Management to assign all the
letters that we will want to use consistently in both OSes. Then, when we
run Win7 Setup, we will point to the volume we've chosen for it.

Whichever you choose, my strong recommendation is that you assign NAMES
(Labels) to each partition. Drive letters shift like drifting sands, but
the labels get written to the HDDs and don't change when we reboot into the
other OS. If we name the first partitions "Vista" and "Win7", we will know
which one we are looking at, even if Vista calls it "Vista (C:)" and Win7
calls it "Vista (D:)". And "Win7 (C:)" in Win7 might become "Win7 (G:)" in
Vista, but we will know that it is the same Disk 1, partition 1, no matter
which OS is running.

RC
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San Marcos, TX
[email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

"Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
news:ek$P1CHTKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Tae Song" <tae_song********.com> wrote in message
> news:4C4F2D07-6D5E-4368-9916-09AB61AA7CE2@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>> news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
>>> 3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
>>> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would like
>>> to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
>>> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista have
>>> the ability to dual boot ??
>>>
>>> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
>>>
>>> Thank You
>>>
>>> Doug[/color]
>>
>> Are you sure that's right?
>>
>> You have first drive partitioned C: and D:
>> You have second drive partitioned D: and E:
>>
>> You can only assign one drive letter to a partition.
>>
>> Depending on the sequence of events, it might be:
>>
>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and D:
>> Drive 2, partitioned E: and F:
>>
>> or
>>
>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and E:
>> Drive 2, partitioned D: and F:
>>
>>
>> Yes, Windows VIsta and Windows VII have dual boot support capability.
>>
>> I do apologize for the error in typing the partyitions on my PC.[/color]
>
> Drive 1 Partitioned C: and D:
>
> Drive 2 Partioned E: and F:
>
> Now it is correct.
> I do appreciate the deep explanations to my question.
>
> Now that I know windows will change drive letters around according to
> installation and which OS Boots first.
>
> I am a little bit (let's say) shaky,intimidated??
> I am sure I will install Windows 7 and will Dual Boot. Now I am a bit
> confused of assigning Partitions and drive letters.
>
> Thanks Again
> Douig[/color]

"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:u1pzWiOTKHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi, Doug.
>
> Yes, as I said in my looong post, the shifting drive letters are perfectly
> normal to the computer, but they often confuse us humans - until we shake
> off the single-boot mindset. :^}
>
> We have two options when installing Vista or Win7:
>
> 1. Boot into Vista. Insert the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there.
> Setup will see and "inherit" Vista's drive letter assignments.
>
> 2. Boot from the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there. Setup will not
> know Vista's drive letter assignments, so it will assign the letter C: to
> its own boot volume (which is the "drive" you choose), then assign D: to
> the start volume and other letters in sequence following that.
>
> Some users want the boot volume to always be Drive C:, so they prefer
> option 2. With that option, Vista and Win7 will each see itself in the
> familiar Drive C:, but that letter will refer to a different partition in
> the different OS.
>
> Others (including myself) prefer to break the Drive C: mindset and choose
> option 1. We might let Vista keep Drive C: and assign Drive G: (the 7th
> letter of the alphabet) or W: or X:... to Win7's boot volume. When we
> boot into Vista to install Win7, we can use Disk Management to assign all
> the letters that we will want to use consistently in both OSes. Then,
> when we run Win7 Setup, we will point to the volume we've chosen for it.
>
> Whichever you choose, my strong recommendation is that you assign NAMES
> (Labels) to each partition. Drive letters shift like drifting sands, but
> the labels get written to the HDDs and don't change when we reboot into
> the other OS. If we name the first partitions "Vista" and "Win7", we will
> know which one we are looking at, even if Vista calls it "Vista (C:)" and
> Win7 calls it "Vista (D:)". And "Win7 (C:)" in Win7 might become "Win7
> (G:)" in Vista, but we will know that it is the same Disk 1, partition 1,
> no matter which OS is running.
>
> RC[/color]


Hi RC,

Thank You for the explanations of assigning drive letters by Vista and
Windows 7. I prefer to install Windows 7 by option 2,that you mentioned in
last post.
I prefer to install each OS on their own drive,even though I have each drive
partioned in two. I always back up my files,but with each OS being on a
seperate hard drive and say a drive should fail,I still have a good
opersting system on the other drive.I could make an image of each drive,but
prefer not to take up the space on a partition. .

I originally had one HD installed with Vista on it(no partitions). I
purchased another drive,Wetern Digital Black Caviar 750GB.Same as the one
originally installed. I used Western Digitals Software ,Acronis to make an
image and partition the new drive into two partions. Then I 0ed out the
original HD and partioned it into two partitions.I renamed each drive and
Partition using Vistas Disk Management. My question is since I created the
partions using WD software.The Boot file and system files are the same as if
I partioned the drive using Disk Management??
I had to use Disk Managementy ,because the original drive I Oed out and
partitioned was not recognized by Vista.
I do not think this should present a problem,since Vista is a coped image??

Thanks again,I appreciate your explanations and time.I leasrned new ways of
installing OSes.much appreciated.

Doug[color=blue]
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> [email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>
> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
> news:ek$P1CHTKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>
>> "Tae Song" <tae_song********.com> wrote in message
>> news:4C4F2D07-6D5E-4368-9916-09AB61AA7CE2@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>>> news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>> I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
>>>> 3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
>>>> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would
>>>> like to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
>>>> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista have
>>>> the ability to dual boot ??
>>>>
>>>> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
>>>>
>>>> Thank You
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>
>>> Are you sure that's right?
>>>
>>> You have first drive partitioned C: and D:
>>> You have second drive partitioned D: and E:
>>>
>>> You can only assign one drive letter to a partition.
>>>
>>> Depending on the sequence of events, it might be:
>>>
>>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and D:
>>> Drive 2, partitioned E: and F:
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and E:
>>> Drive 2, partitioned D: and F:
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Windows VIsta and Windows VII have dual boot support capability.
>>>
>>> I do apologize for the error in typing the partyitions on my PC.[/color]
>>
>> Drive 1 Partitioned C: and D:
>>
>> Drive 2 Partioned E: and F:
>>
>> Now it is correct.
>> I do appreciate the deep explanations to my question.
>>
>> Now that I know windows will change drive letters around according to
>> installation and which OS Boots first.
>>
>> I am a little bit (let's say) shaky,intimidated??
>> I am sure I will install Windows 7 and will Dual Boot. Now I am a bit
>> confused of assigning Partitions and drive letters.
>>
>> Thanks Again
>> Douig[/color]
>[/color]

"Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
>3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would like
> to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista have
> the ability to dual boot ??
>
> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
>
> Thank You
>
> Doug I just want to thank all who responded to my Post.[/color]

Very Much appreciated

Doug

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:19:25 -0400, Doug wrote:
[color=blue]
> "R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
> news:u1pzWiOTKHA.4408@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Hi, Doug.
>>
>> Yes, as I said in my looong post, the shifting drive letters are perfectly
>> normal to the computer, but they often confuse us humans - until we shake
>> off the single-boot mindset. :^}
>>
>> We have two options when installing Vista or Win7:
>>
>> 1. Boot into Vista. Insert the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there.
>> Setup will see and "inherit" Vista's drive letter assignments.
>>
>> 2. Boot from the Win7 DVD and run Setup from there. Setup will not
>> know Vista's drive letter assignments, so it will assign the letter C: to
>> its own boot volume (which is the "drive" you choose), then assign D: to
>> the start volume and other letters in sequence following that.
>>
>> Some users want the boot volume to always be Drive C:, so they prefer
>> option 2. With that option, Vista and Win7 will each see itself in the
>> familiar Drive C:, but that letter will refer to a different partition in
>> the different OS.
>>
>> Others (including myself) prefer to break the Drive C: mindset and choose
>> option 1. We might let Vista keep Drive C: and assign Drive G: (the 7th
>> letter of the alphabet) or W: or X:... to Win7's boot volume. When we
>> boot into Vista to install Win7, we can use Disk Management to assign all
>> the letters that we will want to use consistently in both OSes. Then,
>> when we run Win7 Setup, we will point to the volume we've chosen for it.
>>
>> Whichever you choose, my strong recommendation is that you assign NAMES
>> (Labels) to each partition. Drive letters shift like drifting sands, but
>> the labels get written to the HDDs and don't change when we reboot into
>> the other OS. If we name the first partitions "Vista" and "Win7", we will
>> know which one we are looking at, even if Vista calls it "Vista (C:)" and
>> Win7 calls it "Vista (D:)". And "Win7 (C:)" in Win7 might become "Win7
>> (G:)" in Vista, but we will know that it is the same Disk 1, partition 1,
>> no matter which OS is running.
>>
>> RC[/color]
>
>
> Hi RC,
>
> Thank You for the explanations of assigning drive letters by Vista and
> Windows 7. I prefer to install Windows 7 by option 2,that you mentioned in
> last post.
> I prefer to install each OS on their own drive,even though I have each drive
> partioned in two. I always back up my files,but with each OS being on a
> seperate hard drive and say a drive should fail,I still have a good
> opersting system on the other drive.I could make an image of each drive,but
> prefer not to take up the space on a partition. .[/color]

The backup images should be on *separate* external drives, not on the
drives in the computer.

For a guide to my reasoning, consider that you have partition C: with the
OS, D: for whatever you like, and let's say H: for backup, all on a single
drive. Suppose what fails is not partition C:, but the whole drive. Then H:
is of no help. If instead H: was on an external USB or other drive, you
will still be able to create a new C: partition from it.
[color=blue]
> I originally had one HD installed with Vista on it(no partitions). I
> purchased another drive,Wetern Digital Black Caviar 750GB.Same as the one
> originally installed. I used Western Digitals Software ,Acronis to make an
> image and partition the new drive into two partions. Then I 0ed out the
> original HD and partioned it into two partitions.I renamed each drive and
> Partition using Vistas Disk Management. My question is since I created the
> partions using WD software.The Boot file and system files are the same as if
> I partioned the drive using Disk Management??
> I had to use Disk Managementy ,because the original drive I Oed out and
> partitioned was not recognized by Vista.
> I do not think this should present a problem,since Vista is a coped image??
>
> Thanks again,I appreciate your explanations and time.I leasrned new ways of
> installing OSes.much appreciated.
>
> Doug[color=green]
>> R. C. White, CPA
>> San Marcos, TX
>> [email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
>> Microsoft Windows MVP
>> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64
>>
>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>> news:ek$P1CHTKHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Tae Song" <tae_song********.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4C4F2D07-6D5E-4368-9916-09AB61AA7CE2@microsoft.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Doug" <Dugglissremove this ******.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:O70kb73SKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I built a new machine.Running Vista Home premium,8GB of Ram,Phenom11
>>>>> 3.2MHz. I have 2 hard drives.First one portioned to C: and D:.
>>>>> Second HD portioned into D: and E: I have Vista on C drive.I would
>>>>> like to Dual Boot Vista with Windows7.
>>>>> My question is do I need a Boot loader application??,or does vista have
>>>>> the ability to dual boot ??
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate any help or a link to a website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure that's right?
>>>>
>>>> You have first drive partitioned C: and D:
>>>> You have second drive partitioned D: and E:
>>>>
>>>> You can only assign one drive letter to a partition.
>>>>
>>>> Depending on the sequence of events, it might be:
>>>>
>>>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and D:
>>>> Drive 2, partitioned E: and F:
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>> Drive 1, partitioned C: and E:
>>>> Drive 2, partitioned D: and F:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Windows VIsta and Windows VII have dual boot support capability.
>>>>
>>>> I do apologize for the error in typing the partyitions on my PC.
>>>
>>> Drive 1 Partitioned C: and D:
>>>
>>> Drive 2 Partioned E: and F:
>>>
>>> Now it is correct.
>>> I do appreciate the deep explanations to my question.
>>>
>>> Now that I know windows will change drive letters around according to
>>> installation and which OS Boots first.
>>>
>>> I am a little bit (let's say) shaky,intimidated??
>>> I am sure I will install Windows 7 and will Dual Boot. Now I am a bit
>>> confused of assigning Partitions and drive letters.
>>>
>>> Thanks Again
>>> Douig[/color]
>>[/color][/color]


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Richard G. Harper wrote:
[color=blue]
> You cannot install two OSes on the same drive, they must be on different
> drives.[/color]

Incorrect. You can install at least 4. Create 4 partitions, one each.

Just because Microsoft installers are often brain dead garbage, doesn't
mean you can't work around it. Say you have a OEM Vista install hog,
wants the whole disk. Fine, install it. Then reduce the OS disk space
to make room for a friendly install of Linux, Solaris, OpenBSD, NetBSD
or whatever.

And then there is also the VMWare and VirtualBox options.