I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
£2000

not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
not work on Vista

and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
product"
even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
OS

Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
be worked around

All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
money out of us

If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

or to me

I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)

"John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...
I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
£2000

not including my time - It will take around 100 hours

This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
not work on Vista

and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
product"
even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
OS

Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
be worked around

All this takes time MY VALUABLE time

In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money

In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great

But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me

I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem

just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
money out of us

If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users

or to me

I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)


*******************************************

My benefit is this!

Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.

What more can I say?

--

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience & Security

"John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...[color=blue]
> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
> £2000
>
> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours[/color]

**** you are slow. Took me about 2 hours including install and
configuration of system. This includes many third party apps.
Sounds like Windows is way over your head.[color=blue]
>
> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
> not work on Vista[/color]

Stick with XP then.
[color=blue]
>
> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
> product"[/color]

They don't expect you to do anything. If it doesn't work for you then stick
with what you have. No big deal.
[color=blue]
> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
> OS
>[/color]

Way over your head. Stay where you are.

[color=blue]
> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
> be worked around[/color]

So.
[color=blue]
>
> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>[/color]

Sounds like your valuable time Ain't all that valuable. Sounds like you
work in a fast food establishment.
[color=blue]
> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money[/color]

Maybe you should take some of that money you have and go back to school.
Just FYI.
[color=blue]
>
> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
> Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great[/color]

Stick with them. No worries about Vista or Windows 7.
[color=blue]
>
> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
> transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me[/color]

You are no power user. If it takes you 100 hours to configure a new system,
your IQ must be around 50.
[color=blue]
>
> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem[/color]

You also believe that the Moon is made of Green Cheese.
[color=blue]
>
> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
> money out of us[/color]

You don't have money. No worries.

[color=blue]
>
> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users[/color]

You wouldn't understand.
[color=blue]
>
> or to me[/color]

Or to you?
[color=blue]
>
> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)[/color]

After reading this far, I believe any Windows product is way over your head.
Talk with Alias and he will set you up with that INFERIOR Ubuntu.

That seems more like your style.

Just FYI.

John Rivers wrote:

<snipped>

Yeah, you can cry me a river.

"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in
news:e#yji1PSKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
[color=blue]
> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-[/color]
[email]ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com[/email]...[color=blue]
> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
> £2000
>
> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>
> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
> not work on Vista
>
> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
> product"
> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
> OS
>
> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
> be worked around
>
> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>
> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>
> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
> Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great
>
> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
> transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me
>
> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>
> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
> money out of us
>
> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>
> or to me
>
> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>
>
> *******************************************
>
> My benefit is this!
>
> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>
> What more can I say?[/color]

I thought Vista was super stable and never crashed......

........at least that's what all the zealot's and MVP's say.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
[color=blue]
> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-[/color]
[email]ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com[/email]...[color=blue]
> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
> £2000
>
> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>
> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
> not work on Vista
>
> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
> product"
> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
>
> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
> be worked around
>
> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>
> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>
> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
> 2000 and Windows XP were great
>
> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
> to normal users - even monster power users like me
>
> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>
> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
> out of us
>
> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>
> or to me
>
> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>
>
> *******************************************
>
> My benefit is this!
>
> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>
> What more can I say?[/color]

Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years!

"ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
news:7j9h6rF3341iqU2@mid.individual.net...[color=blue]
> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-[/color]
> [email]ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com[/email]...[color=green]
>> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
>> £2000
>>
>> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>>
>> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
>> not work on Vista
>>
>> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
>> product"
>> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
>>
>> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
>> be worked around
>>
>> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>>
>> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>>
>> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
>> 2000 and Windows XP were great
>>
>> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
>> to normal users - even monster power users like me
>>
>> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>>
>> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
>> out of us
>>
>> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
>> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>>
>> or to me
>>
>> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
>> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>>
>>
>> *******************************************
>>
>> My benefit is this!
>>
>> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>>
>> What more can I say?[/color]
>
> Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years![/color]

Using Ubuntu? Of course the system doesn't hang or crash. You can't do
anything useful with it! LOL!

Spanketh Thy Monkey wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> "ray" <ray@zianet.com> wrote in message
> news:7j9h6rF3341iqU2@mid.individual.net...[color=green]
>> On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 12:27:19 -0400, Richard Urban wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-[/color]
>> [email]ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com[/email]...[color=darkred]
>>> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
>>> £2000
>>>
>>> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>>>
>>> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
>>> not work on Vista
>>>
>>> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
>>> product"
>>> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different OS
>>>
>>> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
>>> be worked around
>>>
>>> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>>>
>>> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>>>
>>> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to Windows
>>> 2000 and Windows XP were great
>>>
>>> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly transparent
>>> to normal users - even monster power users like me
>>>
>>> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>>>
>>> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more money
>>> out of us
>>>
>>> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
>>> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>>>
>>> or to me
>>>
>>> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
>>> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>>>
>>>
>>> *******************************************
>>>
>>> My benefit is this!
>>>
>>> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>>>
>>> What more can I say?[/color]
>>
>> Geez - I haven't had a single hang or crash in over five years![/color]
>
> Using Ubuntu? Of course the system doesn't hang or crash. You can't do
> anything useful with it! LOL!
>
>
>[/color]

Linux crashes too if you try to do something other than just turn it on
and look at it.


[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=ubuntu+crashes+often&aq=0&oq=Ubuntu+crashes&aqi=g4g-m6[/url]

"lemur" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:b8d3a5085ba797b8adbead0797bc5794@nntp-gateway.com...[color=blue]
>
> Please kill this post
>
>[/color]
POW.... BAM...... The post has been killed. Please send flowers.

Vista Succubus Hunter wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Linux crashes too if you try to do something other than just turn it on
> and look at it.
>
>
> [url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=ubuntu+crashes+often&aq=0&oq=Ubuntu+crashes&aqi=g4g-m6[/url]
>[/color]

Not to mention all the problems with sound! I've seen so many posts on
an Ubuntu newsgroup with sound issues! I've not had sound issues with a
windows machine since I had to deal with IRQs and COM ports!

Then you stay with Ubuntu :)

"STAN STARINSKI" <Chyna@stealsUSJobsPatentsSoftwareMusicVideo> wrote in
message news:e#MBVtTSKHA.1792@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Then you stay with Ubuntu :)[/color]

You should go to Ubuntu and then migrate to the Ubuntu forums. Help out
those sorry sacks.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:21:10 -0500, DanS
<t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.c.o.m> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in
>news:e#yji1PSKHA.4704@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl:
>[color=green]
>> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>> news:5ea02dc0-34ad-4a30-9bc1-[/color]
>ef026aba8d1f@h13g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...[color=green]
>> I calculated that to migrate to Vista or Windows 7 will cost close to
>> £2000
>>
>> not including my time - It will take around 100 hours
>>
>> This is because many of my existing software / tools / utilities does
>> not work on Vista
>>
>> and the vendors expect me to buy a new license because it is a "new
>> product"
>> even though it does exactly what it did before - just on a different
>> OS
>>
>> Even the products that do work have problems and glitches that have to
>> be worked around
>>
>> All this takes time MY VALUABLE time
>>
>> In other words I am suffering because Microsoft want money
>>
>> In the past some versions of windows were worth migrating to
>> Windows 2000 and Windows XP were great
>>
>> But most of the improvements to Vista / Windows 7 are mostly
>> transparent to normal users - even monster power users like me
>>
>> I believe Microsoft have a serious attitude problem
>>
>> just wait until they take full advantage of TPM to screw even more
>> money out of us
>>
>> If I am wrong please point out a real tangible benefit that Vista or
>> Windows 7 brings to a large percentage of users
>>
>> or to me
>>
>> I also I can no longer buy a laptop because they only come with Vista
>> GPU drivers (some come with buggy unsupported XP GPU drivers - great)
>>
>>
>> *******************************************
>>
>> My benefit is this!
>>
>> Since using Windows 7 I have not had one single hang or crash.
>>
>> What more can I say?[/color]
>
>I thought Vista was super stable and never crashed......
>
>.......at least that's what all the zealot's and MVP's say.[/color]


I've been running Vista at home for almost 2 years. I've had a huge
reduction in problems since I went from XP to Vista (completely
different machines). I still have XP on my office computer and it's
not had too many problems but it has more then I've had on the home
machine and it does sometimes get so screwed up that I have to give up
and reboot.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:15:09 -0700 (PDT), just as I was about to take a
herb, John Rivers <first10@btinternet.com> disturbed my reverie and
wrote:
[color=blue]
>or to me[/color]

There is no benefit to you as you have said. So sod off and troll
elsewhere...nobody is actually forcing you to upgrade.
--

Cheers,

DrT

** Stress - the condition brought about by having to
** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights
** out of someone who richly deserves it.

I don't know John, what you acctually use your comp for???
Your story about windows 7 is nothing but funny.
All the best to you.