Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"

So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
network printer.

I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !

We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing etc.

Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.

"steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>
> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
> network printer.
>
> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>
> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing etc.
>
>
> [url]http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00809839&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=1119598&lang=en[/url][/color]

Link to HP,perhaps your hardware will scan as described here.
Regards

steveb wrote:[color=blue]
> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP
> web site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>
> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet
> 6310 network printer.
>
> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>
> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing etc.
>
> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.[/color]

Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
if not SP2. What was your hurry?

Alias

This has what to do with HP developing drivers for their printers? Please
enlighten us.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
news:Oyk%23PqGSHHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> steveb wrote:[color=green]
>> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
>> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>>
>> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
>> network printer.
>>
>> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>>
>> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
>> etc.
>>
>> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.[/color]
>
> Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
> if not SP2. What was your hurry?
>
> Alias[/color]

It should. HP is also electing to discontinue making drivers of many recent
printers. One should also extend Kudos to Tali Roth Vista Print Team PM.
Email Tali. Ask her about her team's efforts to get HP and their platinum
partners to support very recent legacy printers. It's about Selling. MSFT
is a company that makes billions selling and they do it by making hardware
obsolete as well. Many recent HP printers and scanners are not supported in
Vista, however you may find work around dirvers or TWAIN DS drivers that
make them work somewhere.

HP's stock post on their site is "Buy one of our new Vista compatible
printers." Of course it sucks. But you're up against a software monopoly
that is promoting hardware monopolies as well, in the sense that little
effort is being made to get any older printers or scanners Vista compatible.
Many of us have to deploy workarounds and some have been hard to find to
make older hardware work in Visduh the new OS that has started to advertise
a bit.

One thing: If you name your make and model, you may get some help on this
group if a diriver that works can be found.

Good luck,

CH

______________________________

Check out Mark Russinovich [MSFT] Inside the Windows Vista kernel
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/default.aspx[/url]

Follow the Scooter Libby bus to prison. Will the psychotic Dick Cheney and
sociopathic Karl Rove be on it as well? The next two weeks will tell.
Congratulations to the Wall Street Journal for pretending the trial isn't
taking place by banning its reporters from covering the trial or putting one
nano-line of print in the WSJ. LOL If you don't report on it, it isn't
happening. Old Conservative Proverb.

Saturday, February 03, 2007
FRANK RICH: Why Dick Cheney Cracked Up
IN the days since Dick Cheney lost it on CNN, our nation's armchair shrinks
have had a blast. The vice president who boasted of "enormous successes" in
Iraq and barked "hogwash" at the congenitally mild Wolf Blitzer has been
roundly judged delusional, pathologically dishonest or just plain nuts. But
what else is new? We identified those diagnoses long ago.


The more intriguing question is what ignited this particularly violent
public flare-up.The answer can be found in the timing of the CNN interview,
which was conducted the day after the start of the perjury trial of Mr.
Cheney's former top aide, Scooter Libby. The vice president's on-camera
crackup reflected his understandable fear that a White House cover-up was
crumbling. He knew that sworn testimony in a Washington courtroom would
reveal still more sordid details about how the administration lied to take
the country into war in Iraq.


He knew that those revelations could cripple the White House's current
campaign to escalate that war and foment apocalyptic scenarios about Iran.
Scariest of all, he knew that he might yet have to testify under oath
himself.Mr. Cheney, in other words, understands the danger this trial poses
to the White House even as some of Washington remains oblivious. From the
start, the capital has belittled the Joseph and Valerie Wilson affair as "a
tempest in a teapot," as David Broder of The Washington Post reiterated just
five months ago.


When "all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable
because the consequences are not that great," Bob Woodward said in 2005. Or,
as Robert Novak suggested in 2003 before he revealed Ms. Wilson's identity
as a C.I.A. officer in his column, "weapons of mass destruction or uranium
from Niger" are "little elitist issues that don't bother most of the
people." Those issues may not trouble Mr. Novak, but they do loom large to
other people, especially those who sent their kids off to war over
nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and nonexistent uranium.


In terms of the big issues, the question of who first leaked Ms. Wilson's
identity (whether Mr. Libby, Richard Armitage, Ari Fleischer or Karl Rove)
to which journalist (whether Mr. Woodward, Mr. Novak, Judith Miller or Matt
Cooper) has always been a red herring. It's entirely possible that the White
House has always been telling the truth when it says that no one intended to
unmask a secret agent. (No one has been charged with that crime.)


The White House is also telling the truth when it repeatedly says that Mr.
Cheney did not send Mr. Wilson on his C.I.A.-sponsored African trip to check
out a supposed Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. (Another red herring, since
Mr. Wilson didn't make that accusation in the first place.) But if the
administration is telling the truth on these narrow questions and had little
to hide about the Wilson trip per se, its wild overreaction to the episode
was an incriminating sign it was hiding something else.


According to testimony in the Libby case, the White House went berserk when
Mr. Wilson published his Op-Ed article in The Times in July 2003 about what
he didn't find in Africa. Top officials gossiped incessantly about both
Wilsons to anyone who would listen, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby conferred about
them several times a day, and finally Mr. Libby, known as an exceptionally
discreet White House courtier, became so sloppy that his alleged lying
landed him with five felony counts.


The explanation for the hysteria has long been obvious. The White House was
terrified about being found guilty of a far greater crime than outing a
C.I.A. officer: lying to the nation to hype its case for war. When Mr.
Wilson, an obscure retired diplomat, touched that raw nerve, all the
president's men panicked because they knew Mr. Wilson's modest finding in
Africa was the tip of a far larger iceberg. They knew that there was still
far more ****ing evidence of the administration's W.M.D. lies lurking in the
bowels of the bureaucracy.


Thanks to the commotion caused by the leak case, that ****ing evidence has
slowly dribbled out. By my count we now know of at least a half-dozen
instances before the start of the Iraq war when various intelligence
agencies and others signaled that evidence of Iraq's purchase of uranium in
Africa might be dubious or fabricated. (These are detailed in the timelines
at frankrich.com/timeline.htm.) The culmination of these warnings arrived in
January 2003, the same month as the president's State of the Union address,
when the White House received a memo from the National Intelligence Council,
the coordinating body for all American spy agencies, stating unequivocally
that the claim was baseless.


Nonetheless President Bush brandished that fearful "uranium from Africa" in
his speech to Congress as he hustled the country into war in Iraq.If the war
had been a cakewalk, few would have cared to investigate the
administration's
deceit at its inception. But by the time Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article
appeared - some five months after the State of the Union and two months
after "Mission Accomplished" - there was something terribly wrong with the
White House's triumphal picture.
More than 60 American troops had been killed since Mr. Bush celebrated the
end of "major combat operations" by prancing about an aircraft carrier. No
W.M.D. had been found, and we weren't even able to turn on the lights in
Baghdad. For the first time, more than half of Americans told a Washington
Post-ABC News poll that the level of casualties was "unacceptable." It was
urgent, therefore, that the awkward questions raised by Mr. Wilson's
revelation of his Africa trip be squelched as quickly as possible. He had to
be smeared as an inconsequential has-been whose mission was merely a trivial
boondoggle arranged by his wife.


The C.I.A., which had actually resisted the uranium fictions, had to be
strong-armed into taking the blame for the 16 errant words in the State of
the Union speech. What we are learning from Mr. Libby's trial is just what a
herculean effort it took to execute this two-pronged cover-up after Mr.
Wilson's article appeared. Mr. Cheney was the hands-on manager of the 24/7
campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination, with
Mr. Libby as his chief hatchet man. Though Mr. Libby's lawyers are now
arguing that their client was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the feds to
shield Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby actually was - and still is - a stooge for the
vice president.
Whether he will go to jail for his misplaced loyalty is the human drama of
his trial. But for the country there are bigger issues at stake, and they
are not, as the White House would have us believe, ancient history. The
administration propaganda flimflams that sold us the war are now being
retrofitted to expand and extend it.In a replay of the run-up to the
original invasion, a new National Intelligence Estimate, requested by
Congress in August to summarize all intelligence assessments on Iraq, was
mysteriously delayed until last week, well after the president had set his
surge.


Even the declassified passages released on Friday - the grim takes on the
weak Iraqi security forces and the spiraling sectarian violence - foretell
that the latest plan for victory is doomed. (As a White House communications
aide testified at the Libby trial, this administration habitually releases
bad news on Fridays because "fewer people pay attention when it's reported
on Saturday.") A Pentagon inspector general's report, uncovered by Business
Week last week, was also kept on the q.t.: it shows that even as more
American troops are being thrown into the grinder in Iraq, existing troops
lack the guns and ammunition to "effectively complete their missions." Army
and Marine Corps commanders told The Washington Post that both armor and
trucks were in such short supply that their best hope is that "five brigades
of up-armored Humvees fall out of the sky."


Tomorrow is the fourth anniversary of Colin Powell's notorious W.M.D.
pantomime before the United Nations Security Council, a fair amount of it a
Cheney-Libby production. To mark this milestone, the White House is reviving
the same script to rev up the war's escalation, this time hyping Iran-Iraq
connections instead of Al Qaeda-Iraq connections. In his Jan. 10 prime-time
speech on Iraq, Mr. Bush said that Iran was supplying "advanced weaponry and
training to our enemies," even though the evidence suggests that Iran is
actually in bed with our "friends" in Iraq, the Maliki government.
The administration promised a dossier to back up its claims, but that too
has been delayed twice amid reports of what The Times calls "a continuing
debate about how well the information proved the Bush administration's
case." Call it a coincidence - though there are no coincidences - but it's
only fitting that the Libby trial began as news arrived of the death of E.
Howard Hunt, the former C.I.A. agent whose bungling of the Watergate
break-in sent him to jail and led to the unraveling of the Nixon presidency
two years later.


Still, we can't push the parallels too far. No one died in Watergate. This
time around our country can't wait two more years for the White House to be
stopped from playing its games with American blood.

_________________

"steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>
> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
> network printer.
>
> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>
> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing etc.
>
> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.[/color]

Steve--

HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
[url]http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00809839&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=1119598&lang=en#[/url]


HP Printers - Installing the Printer Driver Located in Windows Vista



Introduction
At this time there is not a downloadable full-feature Windows
Vista driver solution available for your product.
The short-term driver solution is included in your Windows Vista
Operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need to
download anything at this time. This driver makes it possible to use the
basic functions for the printer and can be used until the full-feature
driver is available. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
product working with Windows Vista.
HP is currently working to make the HP full-feature driver
solution available as soon as possible.
NOTE: HP wants to make sure that you have the most
up-to-date information on the drivers and software for your HP products. To
register for HP Subscriber's Choice and be notified when Windows Vista
drivers become available, click Get e-mail notifications - drivers updates
on the left navigation bar of this page.

Installing the printer driver
1.. Verify that the printer is turned on.
2.. Connect the Universal Serial Bus (USB) cable to the
printer and to the computer.
3.. A Your devices are ready to use window might display on
the screen. If the window displays and does not close automatically, close
the window.
4.. Print a test page to verify that the printer is working
correctly.
Using the printer functions
Printing
1.. Open the document to be printed in the software
application in which it was created.
2.. Click File and then click Print.
Good luck,
CH






"steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>
> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
> network printer.
>
> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>
> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing etc.
>
> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.
>[/color]

Well yes, sort of.


"Richard Urban" <richardurbanREMOVETHIS********.com> wrote in message
news:eQ4JN$GSHHA.5012@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> This has what to do with HP developing drivers for their printers? Please
> enlighten us.
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
> (For email, remove the obvious from my address)
>
> Quote from George Ankner:
> If you knew as much as you think you know,
> You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
>
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
> news:Oyk%23PqGSHHA.1036@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> steveb wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP
>>> web site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>>>
>>> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet
>>> 6310 network printer.
>>>
>>> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>>>
>>> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.[/color]
>>
>> Maybe you should have waited to install Vista until it at least has SP1,
>> if not SP2. What was your hurry?
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>[/color]

Thanks, I mentioned in my original post that we can print with Vista
bundled drivers . . . but we have other printers that work for printing, so
buying a new Printer/Scanner did nothing for us . . yet.




"Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
news:%23B9ACEHSHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Steve--
>
> HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
> [url]http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00809839&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=1119598&lang=en#[/url]
>
>
> HP Printers - Installing the Printer Driver Located in Windows Vista
>
>
>
> Introduction
> At this time there is not a downloadable full-feature Windows
> Vista driver solution available for your product.
> The short-term driver solution is included in your Windows
> Vista Operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need
> to download anything at this time. This driver makes it possible to use
> the basic functions for the printer and can be used until the full-feature
> driver is available. Follow the steps below to quickly and easily get your
> product working with Windows Vista.
> HP is currently working to make the HP full-feature driver
> solution available as soon as possible.
> NOTE: HP wants to make sure that you have the most
> up-to-date information on the drivers and software for your HP products.
> To register for HP Subscriber's Choice and be notified when Windows Vista
> drivers become available, click Get e-mail notifications - drivers updates
> on the left navigation bar of this page.
>
> Installing the printer driver
> 1.. Verify that the printer is turned on.
> 2.. Connect the Universal Serial Bus (USB) cable to the
> printer and to the computer.
> 3.. A Your devices are ready to use window might display on
> the screen. If the window displays and does not close automatically, close
> the window.
> 4.. Print a test page to verify that the printer is working
> correctly.
> Using the printer functions
> Printing
> 1.. Open the document to be printed in the software
> application in which it was created.
> 2.. Click File and then click Print.
> Good luck,
> CH
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
>> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>>
>> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
>> network printer.
>>
>> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>>
>> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
>> etc.
>>
>> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.
>>[/color]
>
>
>[/color]

Sorry Steve--

I see your point, and should have earlier. It's a very good one. It's an
HP "All in One" but no scanning and faxing capability on Vista. I'd return
it and get the money back and the next printer that you buy, if in a store,
I'd demand to be able to hook it up to a Vista box and see if you can get a
driver from the manufacturer that has all the major functionality and I
wouldn't buy one until you find it. Also you can get an internet connection
in the store and go to HP or any other manufacturer and exactly what they
offer as a driver. Then vote to another manufacturer if they don't do what
you need.

Good luck,

CH

"steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
news:CCBBF30E-6BBA-4B58-8DF5-F345BA1427EC@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Thanks, I mentioned in my original post that we can print with Vista
> bundled drivers . . . but we have other printers that work for printing,
> so buying a new Printer/Scanner did nothing for us . . yet.
>
>
>
>
> "Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
> news:%23B9ACEHSHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Steve--
>>
>> HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
>> [url]http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00809839&lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=1119598&lang=en#[/url]
>>
>>
>> HP Printers - Installing the Printer Driver Located in Windows Vista
>>
>>
>>
>> Introduction
>> At this time there is not a downloadable full-feature Windows
>> Vista driver solution available for your product.
>> The short-term driver solution is included in your Windows
>> Vista Operating system and is already on your computer. There is no need
>> to download anything at this time. This driver makes it possible to use
>> the basic functions for the printer and can be used until the
>> full-feature driver is available. Follow the steps below to quickly and
>> easily get your product working with Windows Vista.
>> HP is currently working to make the HP full-feature driver
>> solution available as soon as possible.
>> NOTE: HP wants to make sure that you have the most
>> up-to-date information on the drivers and software for your HP products.
>> To register for HP Subscriber's Choice and be notified when Windows Vista
>> drivers become available, click Get e-mail notifications - drivers
>> updates on the left navigation bar of this page.
>>
>> Installing the printer driver
>> 1.. Verify that the printer is turned on.
>> 2.. Connect the Universal Serial Bus (USB) cable to the
>> printer and to the computer.
>> 3.. A Your devices are ready to use window might display on
>> the screen. If the window displays and does not close automatically,
>> close the window.
>> 4.. Print a test page to verify that the printer is working
>> correctly.
>> Using the printer functions
>> Printing
>> 1.. Open the document to be printed in the software
>> application in which it was created.
>> 2.. Click File and then click Print.
>> Good luck,
>> CH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP
>>> web
>>> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>>>
>>> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet
>>> 6310
>>> network printer.
>>>
>>> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>>>
>>> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

actually I got HP Deskjet d4160 series it works fine... I got a vista
driver for it on the hp site...

Perhaps HP didn't get the memo. When the email came from Microsoft that
they were thinking about creating a new operating system, HP's execs were
too busy spying on each other and installing key loggers on each others' PCs
to notice the email.

Dale

"Chad Harris" <fixvistabugsnow.net> wrote in message
news:epe2ZAHSHHA.5100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> It should. HP is also electing to discontinue making drivers of many
> recent printers. One should also extend Kudos to Tali Roth Vista Print
> Team PM. Email Tali. Ask her about her team's efforts to get HP and their
> platinum partners to support very recent legacy printers. It's about
> Selling. MSFT is a company that makes billions selling and they do it by
> making hardware obsolete as well. Many recent HP printers and scanners
> are not supported in Vista, however you may find work around dirvers or
> TWAIN DS drivers that make them work somewhere.
>
> HP's stock post on their site is "Buy one of our new Vista compatible
> printers." Of course it sucks. But you're up against a software monopoly
> that is promoting hardware monopolies as well, in the sense that little
> effort is being made to get any older printers or scanners Vista
> compatible. Many of us have to deploy workarounds and some have been hard
> to find to make older hardware work in Visduh the new OS that has started
> to advertise a bit.
>
> One thing: If you name your make and model, you may get some help on this
> group if a diriver that works can be found.
>
> Good luck,
>
> CH
>
> ______________________________
>
> Check out Mark Russinovich [MSFT] Inside the Windows Vista kernel
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/default.aspx[/url]
>
> Follow the Scooter Libby bus to prison. Will the psychotic Dick Cheney
> and
> sociopathic Karl Rove be on it as well? The next two weeks will tell.
> Congratulations to the Wall Street Journal for pretending the trial isn't
> taking place by banning its reporters from covering the trial or putting
> one
> nano-line of print in the WSJ. LOL If you don't report on it, it isn't
> happening. Old Conservative Proverb.
>
> Saturday, February 03, 2007
> FRANK RICH: Why Dick Cheney Cracked Up
> IN the days since Dick Cheney lost it on CNN, our nation's armchair
> shrinks
> have had a blast. The vice president who boasted of "enormous successes"
> in
> Iraq and barked "hogwash" at the congenitally mild Wolf Blitzer has been
> roundly judged delusional, pathologically dishonest or just plain nuts.
> But
> what else is new? We identified those diagnoses long ago.
>
>
> The more intriguing question is what ignited this particularly violent
> public flare-up.The answer can be found in the timing of the CNN
> interview,
> which was conducted the day after the start of the perjury trial of Mr.
> Cheney's former top aide, Scooter Libby. The vice president's on-camera
> crackup reflected his understandable fear that a White House cover-up was
> crumbling. He knew that sworn testimony in a Washington courtroom would
> reveal still more sordid details about how the administration lied to take
> the country into war in Iraq.
>
>
> He knew that those revelations could cripple the White House's current
> campaign to escalate that war and foment apocalyptic scenarios about Iran.
> Scariest of all, he knew that he might yet have to testify under oath
> himself.Mr. Cheney, in other words, understands the danger this trial
> poses
> to the White House even as some of Washington remains oblivious. From the
> start, the capital has belittled the Joseph and Valerie Wilson affair as
> "a
> tempest in a teapot," as David Broder of The Washington Post reiterated
> just
> five months ago.
>
>
> When "all of the facts come out in this case, it's going to be laughable
> because the consequences are not that great," Bob Woodward said in 2005.
> Or,
> as Robert Novak suggested in 2003 before he revealed Ms. Wilson's identity
> as a C.I.A. officer in his column, "weapons of mass destruction or uranium
> from Niger" are "little elitist issues that don't bother most of the
> people." Those issues may not trouble Mr. Novak, but they do loom large to
> other people, especially those who sent their kids off to war over
> nonexistent weapons of mass destruction and nonexistent uranium.
>
>
> In terms of the big issues, the question of who first leaked Ms. Wilson's
> identity (whether Mr. Libby, Richard Armitage, Ari Fleischer or Karl Rove)
> to which journalist (whether Mr. Woodward, Mr. Novak, Judith Miller or
> Matt
> Cooper) has always been a red herring. It's entirely possible that the
> White
> House has always been telling the truth when it says that no one intended
> to
> unmask a secret agent. (No one has been charged with that crime.)
>
>
> The White House is also telling the truth when it repeatedly says that Mr.
> Cheney did not send Mr. Wilson on his C.I.A.-sponsored African trip to
> check
> out a supposed Iraq-Niger uranium transaction. (Another red herring, since
> Mr. Wilson didn't make that accusation in the first place.) But if the
> administration is telling the truth on these narrow questions and had
> little
> to hide about the Wilson trip per se, its wild overreaction to the episode
> was an incriminating sign it was hiding something else.
>
>
> According to testimony in the Libby case, the White House went berserk
> when
> Mr. Wilson published his Op-Ed article in The Times in July 2003 about
> what
> he didn't find in Africa. Top officials gossiped incessantly about both
> Wilsons to anyone who would listen, Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby conferred
> about
> them several times a day, and finally Mr. Libby, known as an exceptionally
> discreet White House courtier, became so sloppy that his alleged lying
> landed him with five felony counts.
>
>
> The explanation for the hysteria has long been obvious. The White House
> was
> terrified about being found guilty of a far greater crime than outing a
> C.I.A. officer: lying to the nation to hype its case for war. When Mr.
> Wilson, an obscure retired diplomat, touched that raw nerve, all the
> president's men panicked because they knew Mr. Wilson's modest finding in
> Africa was the tip of a far larger iceberg. They knew that there was still
> far more ****ing evidence of the administration's W.M.D. lies lurking in
> the
> bowels of the bureaucracy.
>
>
> Thanks to the commotion caused by the leak case, that ****ing evidence has
> slowly dribbled out. By my count we now know of at least a half-dozen
> instances before the start of the Iraq war when various intelligence
> agencies and others signaled that evidence of Iraq's purchase of uranium
> in
> Africa might be dubious or fabricated. (These are detailed in the
> timelines
> at frankrich.com/timeline.htm.) The culmination of these warnings arrived
> in
> January 2003, the same month as the president's State of the Union
> address,
> when the White House received a memo from the National Intelligence
> Council,
> the coordinating body for all American spy agencies, stating unequivocally
> that the claim was baseless.
>
>
> Nonetheless President Bush brandished that fearful "uranium from Africa"
> in
> his speech to Congress as he hustled the country into war in Iraq.If the
> war
> had been a cakewalk, few would have cared to investigate the
> administration's
> deceit at its inception. But by the time Mr. Wilson's Op-Ed article
> appeared - some five months after the State of the Union and two months
> after "Mission Accomplished" - there was something terribly wrong with the
> White House's triumphal picture.
> More than 60 American troops had been killed since Mr. Bush celebrated the
> end of "major combat operations" by prancing about an aircraft carrier. No
> W.M.D. had been found, and we weren't even able to turn on the lights in
> Baghdad. For the first time, more than half of Americans told a Washington
> Post-ABC News poll that the level of casualties was "unacceptable." It was
> urgent, therefore, that the awkward questions raised by Mr. Wilson's
> revelation of his Africa trip be squelched as quickly as possible. He had
> to
> be smeared as an inconsequential has-been whose mission was merely a
> trivial
> boondoggle arranged by his wife.
>
>
> The C.I.A., which had actually resisted the uranium fictions, had to be
> strong-armed into taking the blame for the 16 errant words in the State of
> the Union speech. What we are learning from Mr. Libby's trial is just what
> a
> herculean effort it took to execute this two-pronged cover-up after Mr.
> Wilson's article appeared. Mr. Cheney was the hands-on manager of the 24/7
> campaign of press manipulation and high-stakes character assassination,
> with
> Mr. Libby as his chief hatchet man. Though Mr. Libby's lawyers are now
> arguing that their client was a sacrificial lamb thrown to the feds to
> shield Mr. Rove, Mr. Libby actually was - and still is - a stooge for the
> vice president.
> Whether he will go to jail for his misplaced loyalty is the human drama of
> his trial. But for the country there are bigger issues at stake, and they
> are not, as the White House would have us believe, ancient history. The
> administration propaganda flimflams that sold us the war are now being
> retrofitted to expand and extend it.In a replay of the run-up to the
> original invasion, a new National Intelligence Estimate, requested by
> Congress in August to summarize all intelligence assessments on Iraq, was
> mysteriously delayed until last week, well after the president had set his
> surge.
>
>
> Even the declassified passages released on Friday - the grim takes on the
> weak Iraqi security forces and the spiraling sectarian violence - foretell
> that the latest plan for victory is doomed. (As a White House
> communications
> aide testified at the Libby trial, this administration habitually releases
> bad news on Fridays because "fewer people pay attention when it's reported
> on Saturday.") A Pentagon inspector general's report, uncovered by
> Business
> Week last week, was also kept on the q.t.: it shows that even as more
> American troops are being thrown into the grinder in Iraq, existing troops
> lack the guns and ammunition to "effectively complete their missions."
> Army
> and Marine Corps commanders told The Washington Post that both armor and
> trucks were in such short supply that their best hope is that "five
> brigades
> of up-armored Humvees fall out of the sky."
>
>
> Tomorrow is the fourth anniversary of Colin Powell's notorious W.M.D.
> pantomime before the United Nations Security Council, a fair amount of it
> a
> Cheney-Libby production. To mark this milestone, the White House is
> reviving
> the same script to rev up the war's escalation, this time hyping Iran-Iraq
> connections instead of Al Qaeda-Iraq connections. In his Jan. 10
> prime-time
> speech on Iraq, Mr. Bush said that Iran was supplying "advanced weaponry
> and
> training to our enemies," even though the evidence suggests that Iran is
> actually in bed with our "friends" in Iraq, the Maliki government.
> The administration promised a dossier to back up its claims, but that too
> has been delayed twice amid reports of what The Times calls "a continuing
> debate about how well the information proved the Bush administration's
> case." Call it a coincidence - though there are no coincidences - but it's
> only fitting that the Libby trial began as news arrived of the death of E.
> Howard Hunt, the former C.I.A. agent whose bungling of the Watergate
> break-in sent him to jail and led to the unraveling of the Nixon
> presidency
> two years later.
>
>
> Still, we can't push the parallels too far. No one died in Watergate. This
> time around our country can't wait two more years for the White House to
> be
> stopped from playing its games with American blood.
>
> _________________
>
> "steveb" <swb_mct@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:D0571176-71D4-4846-B9C8-CF0F12401CE7@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Our T45 multi-function still worked great - but no Vista drivers - HP web
>> site actually says "it will not work, get a new printer"
>>
>> So I rush out and get a new $250 HP multi-function printer OfficeJet 6310
>> network printer.
>>
>> I guess I should of asked . . . .No Vista drivers !
>>
>> We can do print with Vista bundles drivers, but no Scanning or Faxing
>> etc.
>>
>> Maybe the HP web site should have advised me to get a new Dell printer.[/color]
>
>[/color]

Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> This has what to do with HP developing drivers for their printers?
> Please enlighten us.
>[/color]

If you have to ask, you'll never know.

Alias

Ah! I thought you would not be able to answer. I was right.

Why don't you, for a change, place the blame for a particular problem where
it really lays. Oh I forgot! If Microsoft didn't even come out with Vista,
HP wouldn't have to be concerned with keeping THEIR customers happy by
writing new drivers. It is Microsoft's fault that HP in in that position.

So, I guess, Vista is the cause of all the world's ills.

LOL!

Anyway, as long as you are happy.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
news:%23nl9dwHSHHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
>> This has what to do with HP developing drivers for their printers? Please
>> enlighten us.
>>[/color]
>
> If you have to ask, you'll never know.
>
> Alias[/color]

Richard Urban wrote:[color=blue]
> Ah! I thought you would not be able to answer. I was right.[/color]

First insult. I did answer.
[color=blue]
>
> Why don't you, for a change, place the blame for a particular problem
> where it really lays.[/color]

Second insult, being as I didn't place the blame on anyone.

Oh I forgot! If Microsoft didn't even come out[color=blue]
> with Vista, HP wouldn't have to be concerned with keeping THEIR
> customers happy by writing new drivers. It is Microsoft's fault that HP
> in in that position.[/color]

I didn't say who's fault *anything* is.
[color=blue]
> So, I guess, Vista is the cause of all the world's ills.[/color]

I didn't say that either.
[color=blue]
> LOL!
>
> Anyway, as long as you are happy.[/color]

Yawn. You had to ask and this post proves you'll never know. If you had
*read* my post, I didn't place the "blame" on *anyone*.

Now, for the sake of readers who are really interested (not you), by the
time Vista comes out with SP2, all the drivers should be available and
using foolish people who buy Vista now as guinea pigs will be over.

Do you get it now or do I have to go more slowly for you?

Alias

In other words, you are giving HP another 8-12 months to get their ducks in
a row. You don't think they had enough time already to create the drivers?
Gee. Somehow it looks like HP is at fault here and waiting for SP1 or SP2 is
just giving them time to do what they couldn't/wouldn't do in a timely
fashion.

If HP still doesn't have the drivers at that time, will you suggest to wait
till SP3? Of course you will because you are so against Vista.

Vista is fine ***NOW***

SP1 will just make it that much better.

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!



"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.es> wrote in message
news:%237No9XISHHA.4844@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Richard Urban wrote:[color=green]
>> Ah! I thought you would not be able to answer. I was right.[/color]
>
> First insult. I did answer.
>[color=green]
>>
>> Why don't you, for a change, place the blame for a particular problem
>> where it really lays.[/color]
>
> Second insult, being as I didn't place the blame on anyone.
>
> Oh I forgot! If Microsoft didn't even come out[color=green]
>> with Vista, HP wouldn't have to be concerned with keeping THEIR customers
>> happy by writing new drivers. It is Microsoft's fault that HP in in that
>> position.[/color]
>
> I didn't say who's fault *anything* is.
>[color=green]
>> So, I guess, Vista is the cause of all the world's ills.[/color]
>
> I didn't say that either.
>[color=green]
>> LOL!
>>
>> Anyway, as long as you are happy.[/color]
>
> Yawn. You had to ask and this post proves you'll never know. If you had
> *read* my post, I didn't place the "blame" on *anyone*.
>
> Now, for the sake of readers who are really interested (not you), by the
> time Vista comes out with SP2, all the drivers should be available and
> using foolish people who buy Vista now as guinea pigs will be over.
>
> Do you get it now or do I have to go more slowly for you?
>
> Alias[/color]