It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to use
this edition.

Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out later
that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to upgrade xp
pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the home premium
edition.
Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but that
was NOT what *I* wanted to do.

Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
but I didn't want that.

Well......

Back to reinstalling everything.

So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed eligible
OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to Vista Trial
sort of a red herring?


Dale

"Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
> use this edition.
>
> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the
> home premium edition.
> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but that
> was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>
> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
> but I didn't want that.
>
> Well......
>
> Back to reinstalling everything.
>
>

I upgraded XP Pro to Vista Home Premium. Using it to write this message
right now.

"Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
> use this edition.
>
> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the
> home premium edition.
> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but that
> was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>
> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
> but I didn't want that.
>
> Well......
>
> Back to reinstalling everything.
>
>

"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?


No. You can use XP Pro as the qualifying product to install Vista Home
Premium, it's just that you have to do a clean install of Home Premium
rather than an in-place upgrade. This is because XP Pro has features that
Vista Home Premium does not have, such as support for two processor sockets
and support for EFS. Basically if the version of Vista that you are
upgrading to results in a loss of functionality over the version of Windows
that you are currently running then you still qualify for the upgrade but
you must do a clean install.
--
Tom Porterfield

Yessir, and, let's not forget XPs ability to join a Windows Domain and
Vista's inability to do the same.

-Frank

"Tom Porterfield" <tpporter@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:18E90183-5AFA-4B6B-9BAE-E7D51E0A64AF@microsoft.com...
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
>> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
>> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?
>
>
> No. You can use XP Pro as the qualifying product to install Vista Home
> Premium, it's just that you have to do a clean install of Home Premium
> rather than an in-place upgrade. This is because XP Pro has features that
> Vista Home Premium does not have, such as support for two processor
> sockets and support for EFS. Basically if the version of Vista that you
> are upgrading to results in a loss of functionality over the version of
> Windows that you are currently running then you still qualify for the
> upgrade but you must do a clean install.
> --
> Tom Porterfield

Okay, I should have said ...XP PRO's... and ...Vista HOME's...

-Frank

"Frankster" <Frank@spam2trash.com> wrote in message
news:6ZqdnS3iw9-VKl_YnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@giganews.com...
> Yessir, and, let's not forget XPs ability to join a Windows Domain and
> Vista's inability to do the same.
>
> -Frank
>
> "Tom Porterfield" <tpporter@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:18E90183-5AFA-4B6B-9BAE-E7D51E0A64AF@microsoft.com...
>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
>>> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
>>> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?
>>
>>
>> No. You can use XP Pro as the qualifying product to install Vista Home
>> Premium, it's just that you have to do a clean install of Home Premium
>> rather than an in-place upgrade. This is because XP Pro has features
>> that Vista Home Premium does not have, such as support for two processor
>> sockets and support for EFS. Basically if the version of Vista that you
>> are upgrading to results in a loss of functionality over the version of
>> Windows that you are currently running then you still qualify for the
>> upgrade but you must do a clean install.
>> --
>> Tom Porterfield
>
>

Clean install or in place upgrade install?

-Michael

"A" <a@a.net> wrote in message news:%23AMn3wnRHHA.996@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>I upgraded XP Pro to Vista Home Premium. Using it to write this message
> right now.
>
> "Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
>> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
>> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
>> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
>> use this edition.
>>
>> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
>> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
>> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the
>> home premium edition.
>> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but that
>> was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>>
>> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
>> but I didn't want that.
>>
>> Well......
>>
>> Back to reinstalling everything.
>>
>>
>

"A" wrote

>I upgraded XP Pro to Vista Home Premium. Using it to write this message
>right now.
>
> "Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
>> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
>> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
>> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
>> use this edition.
>>
>> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
>> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
>> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the
>> home premium edition.
>> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but
>> that was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>>
>> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
>> but I didn't want that.
>>
>> Well......
>>
>> Back to reinstalling everything.

VHP cannot do an in place upgrade over XP Pro. You can install VHP using
the upgrade edition with XP Pro installed as the qualifying OS, but it will
only do a custom install. What the OP was upset about is that it will not
do an in place upgrade, migrating programs and data. Be careful about word
usage. Eligibility to use an upgrade edition does not mean that upgrade
edition can do an in place upgrade. It depends on which versions are the
qualifying OS and the Vista upgrade.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

No we were mislead to believe that any flavor of XP could be upgraded using
the upgrade vista dvd. If the box on home premium stated, needs xp home
edition to upgrade then I would understand it and have been ready for it and
been able to make up my own mind whether or not I wanted to do a fresh
install or keep all of my old settings and programs.

But the vista upgrade box only states, needs 2k, or "XP" or vista to
upgrade. Not XP home


"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?
>
>
> Dale
>
> "Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
> news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
>> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
>> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
>> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
>> use this edition.
>>
>> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
>> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
>> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not the
>> home premium edition.
>> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but
>> that was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>>
>> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought that,
>> but I didn't want that.
>>
>> Well......
>>
>> Back to reinstalling everything.
>>
>>
>

We knew what you meant. No prob.

"Frankster" <Frank@spam2trash.com> wrote in message
news:kI6dnav3j4nJKl_YnZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@giganews.com ...
> Okay, I should have said ...XP PRO's... and ...Vista HOME's...
>
> -Frank
>
> "Frankster" <Frank@spam2trash.com> wrote in message
> news:6ZqdnS3iw9-VKl_YnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@giganews.com...
>> Yessir, and, let's not forget XPs ability to join a Windows Domain and
>> Vista's inability to do the same.
>>
>> -Frank
>>
>> "Tom Porterfield" <tpporter@mvps.org> wrote in message
>> news:18E90183-5AFA-4B6B-9BAE-E7D51E0A64AF@microsoft.com...
>>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>> news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
>>>> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
>>>> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?
>>>
>>>
>>> No. You can use XP Pro as the qualifying product to install Vista Home
>>> Premium, it's just that you have to do a clean install of Home Premium
>>> rather than an in-place upgrade. This is because XP Pro has features
>>> that Vista Home Premium does not have, such as support for two processor
>>> sockets and support for EFS. Basically if the version of Vista that you
>>> are upgrading to results in a loss of functionality over the version of
>>> Windows that you are currently running then you still qualify for the
>>> upgrade but you must do a clean install.
>>> --
>>> Tom Porterfield
>>
>>
>
>

The upgrade matrix is clear. The upgrade option is disabled unless you are
installing an equivalent or higher edition. This is not new to Vista. You
have to do a clean install of XP Home over Win 2000 even though you can use
an upgrade edition of XP Home to do it.

All upgrade editions can be used in two different ways.

"Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
news:EA04F69F-5F7C-42FB-AB63-9CC3AE08F2AC@microsoft.com...
> No we were mislead to believe that any flavor of XP could be upgraded
> using the upgrade vista dvd. If the box on home premium stated, needs xp
> home edition to upgrade then I would understand it and have been ready for
> it and been able to make up my own mind whether or not I wanted to do a
> fresh install or keep all of my old settings and programs.
>
> But the vista upgrade box only states, needs 2k, or "XP" or vista to
> upgrade. Not XP home
>
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:exXUZqnRHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> So we were all led astray with the 'must upgrade from an installed
>> eligible OS' statements? If so, doesn't that make the Vista upgrade to
>> Vista Trial sort of a red herring?
>>
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
>>> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
>>> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
>>> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
>>> use this edition.
>>>
>>> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
>>> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
>>> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not
>>> the home premium edition.
>>> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but
>>> that was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>>>
>>> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought
>>> that, but I didn't want that.
>>>
>>> Well......
>>>
>>> Back to reinstalling everything.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Obviously he used the only option available, custom. You know this and I
know this. A lot of users will do a custom install but think that because
they bought an upgrade edition that's what they did. I see little point in
arguing with them if nothing went wrong. After a while it gets old
explaining over and over and over that upgrade editions and upgrade options
are different things. I wish MS used some different terminology. From MS's
viewpoint, any migration from one OS to another is an upgrade. They talk
about upgrades-in-place when they mean upgrading the bits. No wonder we get
stuck explaining things in layman's terms. I'm just grousing, Rock.

"Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:ed85U%23nRHHA.1228@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> "A" wrote
>
>>I upgraded XP Pro to Vista Home Premium. Using it to write this message
>>right now.
>>
>> "Lakesidezx" <lakesidezx@nowhere.net> wrote in message
>> news:5527EDAC-A946-4303-8F58-9F962EC8C943@microsoft.com...
>>> It may not be news for some folks around here but it really gets my goat
>>> when I go to the store and buy the Vista Home Premium edition upgrade
>>> because the box says something like needs windows 2k, or xp or vista to
>>> use this edition.
>>>
>>> Good enough, I have XP Pro on my computer so I buy it only to find out
>>> later that vista tells me you have the wrong edition, if you want to
>>> upgrade xp pro to vista then you need the vista business edition, not
>>> the home premium edition.
>>> Of course it gave me the option to do a fresh install (and I did) but
>>> that was NOT what *I* wanted to do.
>>>
>>> Had I wanted the business edition of vista then I would have bought
>>> that, but I didn't want that.
>>>
>>> Well......
>>>
>>> Back to reinstalling everything.
>
> VHP cannot do an in place upgrade over XP Pro. You can install VHP using
> the upgrade edition with XP Pro installed as the qualifying OS, but it
> will only do a custom install. What the OP was upset about is that it
> will not do an in place upgrade, migrating programs and data. Be careful
> about word usage. Eligibility to use an upgrade edition does not mean
> that upgrade edition can do an in place upgrade. It depends on which
> versions are the qualifying OS and the Vista upgrade.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"Colin Barnhorst" wrote

> Obviously he used the only option available, custom. You know this and I
> know this. A lot of users will do a custom install but think that because
> they bought an upgrade edition that's what they did. I see little point
> in arguing with them if nothing went wrong. After a while it gets old
> explaining over and over and over that upgrade editions and upgrade
> options are different things. I wish MS used some different terminology.
> From MS's viewpoint, any migration from one OS to another is an upgrade.
> They talk about upgrades-in-place when they mean upgrading the bits. No
> wonder we get stuck explaining things in layman's terms. I'm just
> grousing, Rock.

Lol, you're just tired. The typing fingers are probably tired too. I
posted partly for his benefit, but mostly to dispel any misinfo for others.
But you know that.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]