So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
from the Windows Secrets newsletter.

Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.

I'm very surprised by this. DailyTech reports that they've tried it and it
works flawlessly. Not only are you able to do a clean install but you can
install the upgrade without having XP or any other legacy OS at all!

It's a little time consuming as you have to run the installer twice.
Although that's not a big issue as the full Vista installation took under
30mins on my machine so doing it twice is still way faster than even
installing XP alone.

MSFT couldn't have done that on purpose, could they? All along they've been
stressing the fact that (a) you cannot do a clean install, at least not with
x86 and (b) you will need a fully activated legacy OS to upgrade from.

"Breaker" wrote:
[color=blue]
> So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
> version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
> from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
>
> Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
> over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.
>[/color]

This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.

The ability to do this has a lot of implications.

-Michael

"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FD1D2321-A72E-430B-A11B-D06FFB22E9DB@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> I'm very surprised by this. DailyTech reports that they've tried it and it
> works flawlessly. Not only are you able to do a clean install but you can
> install the upgrade without having XP or any other legacy OS at all!
>
> It's a little time consuming as you have to run the installer twice.
> Although that's not a big issue as the full Vista installation took under
> 30mins on my machine so doing it twice is still way faster than even
> installing XP alone.
>
> MSFT couldn't have done that on purpose, could they? All along they've been
> stressing the fact that (a) you cannot do a clean install, at least not with
> x86 and (b) you will need a fully activated legacy OS to upgrade from.
>
> "Breaker" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
>> version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
>> from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
>>
>> Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
>> over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.
>>[/color][/color]

anyone have a link to a step by step? im just curious... i have the full
versions via msdn/technet




"Breaker" wrote in message
news:1mk3s21ili3mh7966hjm1g1he4aeqjp1tf@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
> version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
> from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
>
> Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
> over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.[/color]

All over the forum, a quick search would have found it.
[url]http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932[/url]

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"Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
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> anyone have a link to a step by step? im just curious... i have the full
> versions via msdn/technet
>
>
>
>
> "Breaker" wrote in message
> news:1mk3s21ili3mh7966hjm1g1he4aeqjp1tf@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
>> version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
>> from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
>>
>> Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
>> over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.[/color]
>[/color]

Here you go: [url]http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5932[/url]

"Troy McClure" wrote:
[color=blue]
> anyone have a link to a step by step? im just curious... i have the full
> versions via msdn/technet
>
>
>
>
> "Breaker" wrote in message
> news:1mk3s21ili3mh7966hjm1g1he4aeqjp1tf@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
> > version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
> > from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
> >
> > Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
> > over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.[/color]
>[/color]

Yes:

[url]http://windowssecrets.com/comp/070201[/url]


"Troy McClure" <k@k.com> wrote in message
news:9DEB2B77-B8EE-40C0-8140-E12B04E43F2D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> anyone have a link to a step by step? im just curious... i have the full
> versions via msdn/technet
>
>
>
>
> "Breaker" wrote in message
> news:1mk3s21ili3mh7966hjm1g1he4aeqjp1tf@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> So glad to see the links here posting how you can make the upgrade
>> version install Clean. Also got the same information in email today
>> from the Windows Secrets newsletter.
>>
>> Will make it much more likely for me to buy Vista now that I can save
>> over $150 and get the Ultimate Upgrade instead of the full version.[/color]
>[/color]

"MICHAEL" wrote:
[color=blue]
> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>
> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>
> -Michael[/color]

Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
install.

Actually since allot of people don't keep up on this sort of stuff, they'll
probably sell quite a few copies of the full version.

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"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>
>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>
> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
> install.[/color]

In message <1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com> Rob
<Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>"MICHAEL" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>
>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>
>Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
>that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>install.[/color]

While true, perhaps it was done accidentally on purpose to reduce the
number of people who decide having to reinstall and reactivate XP just
to reinstall Vista is too much hassle and just stick with XP?

--
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not a single church or library to offend the eye.
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"DevilsPGD" <spam_narf_spam@crazyhat.net> wrote in message
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> In message <1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com> Rob
> <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"MICHAEL" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>
>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>
>>Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
>>that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>>install.[/color]
>
> While true, perhaps it was done accidentally on purpose to reduce the
> number of people who decide having to reinstall and reactivate XP just
> to reinstall Vista is too much hassle and just stick with XP?[/color]

I guarantee this was not done on purpose.

This way, anyone can use an upgrade version. Even with *no*
qualifying OS installed or without a qualifying disk.
Anyone using a pirated copy of WinXP, no longer has to worry
about being "validated". Also, user could setup a blank partition and
install the upgrade there, without losing their WinXP.
An upgrade sku/key has basically been turned into a retail version.

No, Microsoft didn't do this "accidently on purpose".

Take care,

Michael

"Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>
>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>
>> -Michael[/color]
>
> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the upgrade
> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
> install.[/color]

Heads will probably roll over this one.
--
Ray Rogers

In this newsgroup DevilsPGD wrote:[color=blue]
>
> While true, perhaps it was done accidentally on purpose to reduce the
> number of people who decide having to reinstall and reactivate XP just
> to reinstall Vista is too much hassle and just stick with XP?[/color]

I couldn't have said it better myself.

Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out loud
for several minutes over this one.

Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some official
word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*

Dale

"Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
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>
> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>
>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>
>>> -Michael[/color]
>>
>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>> upgrade
>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>> install.[/color]
>
> Heads will probably roll over this one.
> --
> Ray Rogers[/color]

Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
Microsoft's goof.


"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
> loud for several minutes over this one.
>
> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some official
> word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>
> Dale
>
> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>>
>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>
>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>>> upgrade
>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>>> install.[/color]
>>
>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>> --
>> Ray Rogers[/color]
>[/color]