Your logic is flawed.

If you make a $3.64 purchase and the clerk mistakenly gives you $2.36 in
change instead of the correct $1.36 (and you realize that they made a
mistake), does that make it right or ethical to keep the extra money?

That's kind of the case here.

Of course, in terms of the ethics of the situation, there are two
distinctly different cases:

-The customer really does have a copy of a qualifying earlier OS (XP,
for example) that they COULD install.

-The customer does not have legal right (based on the Eula and license
terms) to use an upgrade copy instead of a full-product retail or OEM
copy, but he's doing it anyway.

I think that most of us would agree that in the first case, it's really
not a problem. You may not think that the second case is an ethical
problem either, but I do.


Zim Babwe wrote:[color=blue]
> Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
> convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
> Microsoft's goof.
>
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
>> loud for several minutes over this one.
>>
>> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
>> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
>> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
>> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some official
>> word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
>> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
>>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>>>> upgrade
>>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>>>> install.
>>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>>> --
>>> Ray Rogers[/color][/color]
>
>[/color]

If I go to the grocery store and the checker misses the cases of bottled
water under my basket and I intentionally don't say a word and they don't
catch it, am I stealing the water or is it free because it was the store's
goof?



"Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
news:edj6PdlRHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
> convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
> Microsoft's goof.
>
>
> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
>> loud for several minutes over this one.
>>
>> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
>> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
>> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
>> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some
>> official word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
>> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
>>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>>>> upgrade
>>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>>>> install.
>>>
>>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>>> --
>>> Ray Rogers[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

I read my post over again and it does look like I'm saying that it's OK to
take advantage of Microsoft, but I'm not. Microsoft wants you to install XP
and then install Vista, which I think is crazy if you don't have to. Yes, I
know that some people will take advantage, but there are people who will
install cracked versions of Vista also.

On the other hand, if a clerk did make an error and give me more change than
I should get, I would do the right thing and send it to Microsoft!





"Barry Watzman" <WatzmanNOSPAM@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
news:eB5uQ%23lRHHA.488@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Your logic is flawed.
>
> If you make a $3.64 purchase and the clerk mistakenly gives you $2.36 in
> change instead of the correct $1.36 (and you realize that they made a
> mistake), does that make it right or ethical to keep the extra money?
>
> That's kind of the case here.
>
> Of course, in terms of the ethics of the situation, there are two
> distinctly different cases:
>
> -The customer really does have a copy of a qualifying earlier OS (XP, for
> example) that they COULD install.
>
> -The customer does not have legal right (based on the Eula and license
> terms) to use an upgrade copy instead of a full-product retail or OEM
> copy, but he's doing it anyway.
>
> I think that most of us would agree that in the first case, it's really
> not a problem. You may not think that the second case is an ethical
> problem either, but I do.
>
>
> Zim Babwe wrote:[color=green]
>> Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
>> convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
>> Microsoft's goof.
>>
>>
>> "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
>>> loud for several minutes over this one.
>>>
>>> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
>>> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck
>>> are you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify
>>> for an upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some
>>> official word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...
>>>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
>>>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Michael
>>>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>>>>> upgrade
>>>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer
>>>>> to
>>>>> install.
>>>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>>>> --
>>>> Ray Rogers[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

it's stealing. and you did it on purpose. if a thief doesn't get caught in
the act it doesn't make it legal, nor right

"Dale" wrote:
[color=blue]
> If I go to the grocery store and the checker misses the cases of bottled
> water under my basket and I intentionally don't say a word and they don't
> catch it, am I stealing the water or is it free because it was the store's
> goof?
>
>
>
> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
> news:edj6PdlRHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
> > Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
> > convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
> > Microsoft's goof.
> >
> >
> > "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
> > news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> >> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
> >> loud for several minutes over this one.
> >>
> >> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
> >> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
> >> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
> >> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some
> >> official word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...
> >>>
> >>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
> >>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Michael
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
> >>>> upgrade
> >>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
> >>>> install.
> >>>
> >>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
> >>> --
> >>> Ray Rogers
> >>[/color]
> >
> >[/color]
>
>[/color]

Thank you! And I thought the world was a lost cause.

Dale

"sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:CB97DB59-8B12-4659-BB64-9398B6E091D4@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> it's stealing. and you did it on purpose. if a thief doesn't get caught in
> the act it doesn't make it legal, nor right
>
> "Dale" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> If I go to the grocery store and the checker misses the cases of bottled
>> water under my basket and I intentionally don't say a word and they don't
>> catch it, am I stealing the water or is it free because it was the
>> store's
>> goof?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>> news:edj6PdlRHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>> > Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it
>> > for
>> > convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
>> > Microsoft's goof.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>> > news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> >> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed
>> >> out
>> >> loud for several minutes over this one.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
>> >> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck
>> >> are
>> >> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for
>> >> an
>> >> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some
>> >> official word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>> >>
>> >> Dale
>> >>
>> >> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...
>> >>>
>> >>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> >>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
>> >>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> -Michael
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>> >>>> upgrade
>> >>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> install.
>> >>>
>> >>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>> >>> --
>> >>> Ray Rogers
>> >>
>> >
>> >[/color]
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Oh, it is.


"Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message news:%23DP$5QnRHHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Thank you! And I thought the world was a lost cause.
>
> Dale
>
> "sgopus" <sgopus@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:CB97DB59-8B12-4659-BB64-9398B6E091D4@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> it's stealing. and you did it on purpose. if a thief doesn't get caught in
>> the act it doesn't make it legal, nor right
>>
>> "Dale" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> If I go to the grocery store and the checker misses the cases of bottled
>>> water under my basket and I intentionally don't say a word and they don't
>>> catch it, am I stealing the water or is it free because it was the store's
>>> goof?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Zim Babwe" <zimbabwe@doyoureallythinkthisisreal.com> wrote in message
>>> news:edj6PdlRHHA.3948@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> > Why shouldn't he do it? If Microsoft allows it, then he should do it for
>>> > convience. It's not like he is stealing. The software allows it, it's
>>> > Microsoft's goof.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Dale" <nospam@nospam.ever> wrote in message
>>> > news:%23YUAq7jRHHA.4076@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> >> Not even I can defend Microsoft's licensing on this one. I laughed out
>>> >> loud for several minutes over this one.
>>> >>
>>> >> Of course, the right thing is, if you know you don't qualify for the
>>> >> upgrade, you should not do this... Now, the question is, how the heck are
>>> >> you supposed to know that a trial version of Vista doesn't qualify for an
>>> >> upgrade to the full version? I guess we'll have to wait for some
>>> >> official word from Microsoft. *still laughing my a.. off*
>>> >>
>>> >> Dale
>>> >>
>>> >> "Ray Rogers" <me@home.ca> wrote in message
>>> >> news:B8A6EB64-E915-44BA-B5A8-D0BAB1524E19@microsoft.com...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Rob" <Rob@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>> >>> news:1F1DBA66-E0B7-42FA-9BFA-C6F8447B43A4@microsoft.com...
>>> >>>> "MICHAEL" wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> This is called a *major* goof on Microsoft's part.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The ability to do this has a lot of implications.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> -Michael
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Yes, like who's going to buy the full version when you can get the
>>> >>>> upgrade
>>> >>>> that does the same thing for a lot less albeit takes a little longer to
>>> >>>> install.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Heads will probably roll over this one.
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Ray Rogers
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>[/color][/color]
>[/color]