It supposed to be perfect, but instead...

"Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"

The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.

A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.

More....

Vista crack programs hiding malware
Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
Microsoft extends Windows XP support
Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
[url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]

I would be skeptical of any "test" or review done by a
company that makes a competing product.

-Michael

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"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
It supposed to be perfect, but instead...

"Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"

The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and
slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.

A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software
included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included 15
of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.

More....

Vista crack programs hiding malware
Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
Microsoft extends Windows XP support
Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
[url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]

"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
[color=blue]
>A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the
>security software included with Vista, >failed to catch 84 per cent of
>spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware
>programs, >said Webroot.[/color]

Webroot Software Inc??
I would prefer to see test results from independent security experts that
have no ties to commercial anti-spyware software

Correct... but what you make of this:
Hacker publicly cracks Windows Vista
Microsoft left red faced after live hacking demonstration

Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 07 Aug 2006

[url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161790/researchers-put-vista-security[/url]


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:O4c4et8QHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I would be skeptical of any "test" or review done by a
> company that makes a competing product.
>
> -Michael
>
> -----------------------------------
> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
> news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
>
> "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update
> against viruses"
>
> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in
> blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a
> security software vendor.
>
> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the
> security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of
> spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware
> programs, said Webroot.
>
> More....
>
> Vista crack programs hiding malware
> Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
> Microsoft extends Windows XP support
> Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
>[/color]

That's old news, and it's a flaw for sure. However, Windows Defender
isn't meant to be a replacement for an AV, or other security options.
It is part of a layered defense.

Joanna Rutkowska is brilliant, what she did isn't an easy thing
to do.

Oh, she's cute, too. ;-)

Her site.
[url]http://www.invisiblethings.org/index.html[/url]
[url]http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/[/url]

-Michael

"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message news:eZ2Ae78QHHA.1000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Correct... but what you make of this:
> Hacker publicly cracks Windows Vista
> Microsoft left red faced after live hacking demonstration
>
> Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 07 Aug 2006
>
> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161790/researchers-put-vista-security[/url]
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:O4c4et8QHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I would be skeptical of any "test" or review done by a
>> company that makes a competing product.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
>> news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
>>
>> "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"
>>
>> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and
>> slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.
>>
>> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software
>> included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included
>> 15 of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.
>>
>> More....
>>
>> Vista crack programs hiding malware
>> Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
>> Microsoft extends Windows XP support
>> Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
>> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
news:eZ2Ae78QHHA.1000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Correct... but what you make of this:
> Hacker publicly cracks Windows Vista
> Microsoft left red faced after live hacking demonstration
>
> Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 07 Aug 2006
>
> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161790/researchers-put-vista-security[/url][/color]

That is a 6 month old article based on tests on a beta version. Alot can
happen in 6 months of programming.

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:uD$XTD9QHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> That's old news, and it's a flaw for sure. However, Windows Defender
> isn't meant to be a replacement for an AV, or other security options.
> It is part of a layered defense.[/color]

At the meoment, I'm runnig Vista Ultimate and OneCare
I 'm familiar with the topic.

Indeed, Joanna Rutkowska, Senior Security Researcher, COSEINC
has been involved in computer security
research for several years.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Rutkowska[/url]
[color=blue]
>
> Joanna Rutkowska is brilliant, what she did isn't an easy thing
> to do.
>
> Oh, she's cute, too. ;-)
>
> Her site.
> [url]http://www.invisiblethings.org/index.html[/url]
> [url]http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/[/url]
>
> -Michael
>
> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
> news:eZ2Ae78QHHA.1000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Correct... but what you make of this:
>> Hacker publicly cracks Windows Vista
>> Microsoft left red faced after live hacking demonstration
>>
>> Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 07 Aug 2006
>>
>> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161790/researchers-put-vista-security[/url]
>>
>>
>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
>> news:O4c4et8QHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I would be skeptical of any "test" or review done by a
>>> company that makes a competing product.
>>>
>>> -Michael
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------
>>> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
>>>
>>> "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update
>>> against viruses"
>>>
>>> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in
>>> blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a
>>> security software vendor.
>>>
>>> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the
>>> security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of
>>> spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware
>>> programs, said Webroot.
>>>
>>> More....
>>>
>>> Vista crack programs hiding malware
>>> Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
>>> Microsoft extends Windows XP support
>>> Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
>>> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
>>>[/color]
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Wojnarowski wrote:[color=blue]
> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective"
> in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to
> a security software vendor.
>
> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the
> security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of
> spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware
> programs, said Webroot.[/color]

Now I don't like Defender myself, and I'm a very satisfied Webroot customer,
but how can you _possibly_ present the views of a company with a conflicting
interest as worth any attention?

It is not at all surprising to me that Webroot would say this as just today
they have released a Vista compatible update for SpySweeper (update ver
5.3.1.2344).

They do have to try to gain a toe hold in Vista - don't they?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!


"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
"Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update
against viruses"
The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in
blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a security
software vendor.
A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the
security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of
spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware
programs, said Webroot.
More....
Vista crack programs hiding malware
Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
Microsoft extends Windows XP support
Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
[url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]

Wojnarowski,

Seriously, when Webroot makes self-promoting statements as you shared, just
for promoting their products; what other response could one expect?

Visually appears as young children saying; mine is better than yours...

--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

(Ambrose Bierce)




"Wojnarowski" wrote:
[color=blue]
> It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
>
> "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"
>
> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.
>
> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.
>
> More....
>
> Vista crack programs hiding malware
> Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
> Microsoft extends Windows XP support
> Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
>[/color]

[url]http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2078362,00.asp[/url]
Five Hackers Who Left a Mark on 2006


"Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message news:eRh5UP9QHHA.3520@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:uD$XTD9QHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> That's old news, and it's a flaw for sure. However, Windows Defender
>> isn't meant to be a replacement for an AV, or other security options.
>> It is part of a layered defense.[/color]
>
> At the meoment, I'm runnig Vista Ultimate and OneCare
> I 'm familiar with the topic.
>
> Indeed, Joanna Rutkowska, Senior Security Researcher, COSEINC
> has been involved in computer security
> research for several years.
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Rutkowska[/url]
>[color=green]
>>
>> Joanna Rutkowska is brilliant, what she did isn't an easy thing
>> to do.
>>
>> Oh, she's cute, too. ;-)
>>
>> Her site.
>> [url]http://www.invisiblethings.org/index.html[/url]
>> [url]http://theinvisiblethings.blogspot.com/[/url]
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
>> news:eZ2Ae78QHHA.1000@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> Correct... but what you make of this:
>>> Hacker publicly cracks Windows Vista
>>> Microsoft left red faced after live hacking demonstration
>>>
>>> Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 07 Aug 2006
>>>
>>> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2161790/researchers-put-vista-security[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
>>> news:O4c4et8QHHA.4832@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>I would be skeptical of any "test" or review done by a
>>>> company that makes a competing product.
>>>>
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>> "Wojnarowski" <wojnar@owski.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:O5kjXp8QHHA.1908@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
>>>>
>>>> "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"
>>>>
>>>> The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware
>>>> and slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.
>>>>
>>>> A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software
>>>> included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included
>>>> 15 of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.
>>>>
>>>> More....
>>>>
>>>> Vista crack programs hiding malware
>>>> Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
>>>> Microsoft extends Windows XP support
>>>> Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
>>>> [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
>>>>
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

also keep in mind that the exploit demonstrated in vegas wasnt a remote
attack, a user needs to be logged in as administrator to install the root kit
in the Rutkowska example, somthing most users do not need to worry about...

"Vista Ready" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Wojnarowski,
>
> Seriously, when Webroot makes self-promoting statements as you shared, just
> for promoting their products; what other response could one expect?
>
> Visually appears as young children saying; mine is better than yours...
>
> --
> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>
> Posting & Painting
> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
> exposing them to the critic."
>
> (Ambrose Bierce)
>
>
>
>
> "Wojnarowski" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > It supposed to be perfect, but instead...
> >
> > "Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses"
> >
> > The security software in Microsoft's Windows Vista is "ineffective" in blocking malware and slow to update against viruses, according to a security software vendor.
> >
> > A test performed by Webroot Software found that Windows Defender, the security software included with Vista, failed to catch 84 per cent of spyware and malware. The test included 15 of the most common malware programs, said Webroot.
> >
> > More....
> >
> > Vista crack programs hiding malware
> > Microsoft starts work on Vista Service Pack 1
> > Microsoft extends Windows XP support
> > Microsoft preps international OneCare launch
> > [url]http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2173632/researchers-say-vista-prone[/url]
> >[/color][/color]