tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

Tuesday, Jan 30, if you buying a machine with Vista already installed, you
will not be offered an upgrade..


"bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

Hi,

What you buy is the key to unlock the added functionality of the upgrade.
You use your own disk to perform the upgrade, see:
http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...981033.mspx#EX

--
Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Windows help - www.rickrogers.org

"bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

Why buy one with XP and a coupon when you can buy one with Vista already on
it? With the coupon you will not get the Vista until sometime in March. As
of tonight you can have Vista right away.

"bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

Top line: (That's why this is on the top)

You want a Vista DVD with that new PC. If you don't have one, you aren't
going to be able to access the Win RE environment and if you can't you won't
be using\

1) Startup Repair from it
2) System Restore from it which sometimes works when the VSS System Restore
from Vista does not
3) The Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment in Vista

References for using these tools are below in the addendum;

I have this to say. The form it will probably take, and one you should
insist on it NOT TAKING is the standard crap that Microsoft and OEM
manufacturers have conspired in to screw you. Avoid it.

Normally, you get Vista or XP preloaded and a recovery disc I wouldn't use
for a frisbee for any dog on the planet. The recovery disc despite few
successes is bell shape curve worthless. If you have a no boot vista, or
you need to fix a major broken component in Vista, and system restore or
other means (*and I know most of those other means) doesn't work, then you
will want to try Win RE's Startup Repair.

And here's the deal: You cannot reach Startup Repair unless you have that
OS DVD. Dell says they are going to ship an OS DVD with every box. That's
admirable and that's also the way things should be. To access startup
repair, which is helpful even when you don't have a BSOD stating a problem
that keeps you booting to Vista, you are going to need an OS DVD. It was
common practice during XP that when you bought a preloaded computer, you
didn't get a CD. Many OEMs at the urging of MSFT will not supply you one.

Make sure if you pluck down your hard earned $1000-$3500 for that new
computer where the stores are throwing in little goodies like USB drives or
color photo printers that you insist you get a Vista DVD. If not, you're
going to get no way to access Startup Repair.

During the Beta, when we asked the Beta Setup Teams and Win RE teams about
this they went in typical Redmond mode and said

"Well there will be solutions that are customized to reach Win RE's Startup
Repair and other features."

Those solutions will not be provided to Johnny and Mary walk-in customer to
Best Buy, Comp USA, Circuit City, Staples or comparable stores in some other
country I'm not in.

Those solutions are provided to enterprises who buy hundreds and thousands
of volume licesnses who have special MSFT enterprise team representatives to
collaberate with them and cater in a partnership to their needs. If your a
single buyer for your family on the street--pssst--"that ain't you."

My motive in typing this is trying to look out for the average buyer on the
street. Colin Barnhorst intimated that MSFT was trying a new tack and
making sure people had the Vista DVD, but if what I'm looking at from my
Sunday papers from all these stores reflects what I'll see if I go in them
later in the week, that ain't happenin'.

Why am I concerned?

I want you to have the benefit of Win RE's environment --

mainly Startup Repair
mainly System Restore
mainly Bootrec.exe

because they will fix things that you cannot fix otherwise, and often cannot
fix from the Volume Shadow Copy System Restore. SR from the Recovery link
on that DVD works when SR from Vista doesn't some times. Startup Repair can
fix a broken shell for example or other major malfunctions in Vista even
when they aren't interfering with your ability to boot to Vista.

I want you to have access to these.

Bottom line (that's why it's on the bottom):

You want a Vista DVD when you buy that new pc.
_________________________

Addendum: Startup Repair References:

http://blogs.msdn.com/winre/archive/...20/763901.aspx

http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Win...f3f351033.mspx

A Stop error occurs, or the computer stops responding when you try to start
Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us

How to use the Bootrec.exe tool in the Windows Recovery Environment to
troubleshoot and repair startup issues in Windows Vista
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927392/en-us

You can run Startup Repair by putting your Vista DVD in after the
language screen in setup. You can also run System Restore from the same
location. It fixes Vista in other situations besides a BSOD no boot:

You run the startup repair tool this way (and system restore from here is
also sometimes effective):

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925810/en-us

How To Run Startup Repair In Vista Ultimate (Multiple Screenshots)
http://www.windowsvista.windowsreins...rtup/index.htm

Note The computer must be configured to start from a CD or from a DVD. For
information about how to configure the computer to start from a CD or from a
DVD, see the information that came with the computer.
2. Restart the computer. To do this, click Start, click the arrow next to
the Lock button, and then click Restart.

This usually means that you enter bios setup by whatever key or keys
(sometimes there is more than one key that will do it for your model--go to
pc manufacturer site) and configure CD to be first in the boot order.

See for ref:
Access/Enter Motherboard BIOS
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/bios_manufacturer.htm

Note If you cannot restart the computer by using this method, use the power
button to turn off the computer. Then, turn the computer back on.

3. Set your language preference, and then click Next.

Note In most cases, the startup repair process starts automatically, and you
do not have the option to select it in the System Recovery Options menu.

4. Click Repair your computer.

5. In the System Recovery Options dialog box, click the operating system
that you want to repair, and then click Next.

6. In the System Recovery Options menu, click Startup Repair to start the
repair process.

7. When the repair process is complete, click Finish.

Additional References for Startup Repair With Screenshots:

How to Use Startup Repair:

***Accessing Windows RE (Repair Environment):***

1) Insert Media into PC (the DVD you burned)

2) ***You will see on the Vista logo setup screen after lang. options in the
lower left corner, a link called "System Recovery Options."***

Screenshot: System Recovery Options (Lower Left Link)
http://blogs.itecn.net/photos/liuhui...4/500x375.aspx

Screenshot: (Click first option "Startup Repair"
http://www.leedesmond.com/images/img...SysRecOpt2.bmp

How To Run Startup Repair In Vista Ultimate (Multiple Screenshots)
http://www.windowsvista.windowsreins...rtup/index.htm

3) Select your OS for repair.

4) Its been my experience that you can see some causes of the crash from
theWin RE feature:

You'll have a choice there of using:

1) Startup Repair
2) System Restore
3) Complete PC Restore

Good luck,

CH



"bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

Bob--

Upgrade Situations (which are not the situation where you buy from an OEM
manufacturer like Dell or a store with Vista pre-loaded on an OS). I
haven't seen any Vista computers in the stores that already have them where
a full edition of Vista has not been pre-loaded onto them. I also
regrettably have not seen these computers which sell for $1000-$4000 that
give the buyer a *Vista DVD for their hard earned money.

Buyer Beware: You will not be able to reach the Win RE Startup Repair,
Bootrec.exe, and System Restore from the Vista Recovery Win RE environment
environment (all previously referenced on this thread) to fix your Vista
computer without a Vista DVD. The Recovery DVDs will not do this., and they
most likely will not recover you and most likely (above 90%) can't be used
to fix major broken components in Vista in a situation where you can boot to
Vista.

I just saw the upgrade component for your question. Your question mixes two
scenarios. One scanario is a machine with Vista on it. That would be
typically an OEM box from some manufacturer via their site or a bricks and
mortar store. My caveat already posted applies there.

The other would be the upgrade scenario Rick addressed:

In order to use an upgrade for Vista, you must first have a legacy OS
installed and activated and you upgrade from it. This is firm in Vista.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...radepaths.mspx

How to install Windows Vista (See upgrade section of this MSKB)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918884/en-us

Good luck,

CH


"bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd with
> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks

I am so excited the world will be public Vista I can hardly concentrate.

Oh boy. And Bill Gates live from Time Square later. I wonder if Queen
Latifah will bop down from the Upper West Side.

CH

"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Why buy one with XP and a coupon when you can buy one with Vista already
> on it? With the coupon you will not get the Vista until sometime in
> March. As of tonight you can have Vista right away.
>
> "bob 9876" <bob9876@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:18F020BB-1594-4F3A-85E0-FE48410C6C9F@microsoft.com...
>> tuesday jan 29 2007.buying anew machine with vista on it.if you buy at
>> same time an upgrade to vista version. what form will it take ?a dvd
>> with
>> upgrade onit already to install. no downloading needed? thanks
>