Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:

If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
Retail License (yes the expensive one)?

I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.

Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
is there a WMVP that would know?

Thanks.

KDA:
If the XP Pro is updated to sp2, the upgrade scenario would work.
Things that need to be uninstalled prior to performing the upgrade are, AV,
spyware, Nero and other programs that will be listed during the upgrade as
conflicting. Performing a disk clean-up and defragmentation would also be
recommended prior to running the upgrade advisor to also check for
conflicting programs. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
"kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.[/color]

"kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.[/color]

You can do an upgrade install. The OEM is the same as the retail Vista
except that you don't get any free support calls. You will need 15gb free
space on your primary drive to perform the in-place upgrade. I would also
recommend running the Vista Upgrade Advisor, uninstalling antivirus software
( some incompatable av software cannot be uninstalled after the upgrade) and
shutting down any running programs prior to the upgrade. If the Upgrade
Advisor finds incompatable hardware or drivers, uninstall before the
upgrade.

--
Jim

The answer is no. An OEM version of Windows Vista cannot
perform an upgrade over Windows XP. OEM versions must
be installed on a reformatted drive, known as a "clean install".
Only "Retail Versions" of Vista can perform an upgrade.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"kda" wrote:

Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:

If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
Retail License (yes the expensive one)?

I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.

Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
is there a WMVP that would know?

Thanks.

"kda" wrote
[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?[/color]

No, OEM copies are for installation on a system that has never had an OS.
So you can't do an upgrade with them.
[color=blue]
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.[/color]

You'll need a upgrade version or a retail full version.
[color=blue]
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?[/color]

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

No. OEM does not upgrade.

"kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.[/color]

"kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.[/color]


Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with
previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
common knowledge.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
[url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]

kda,

Your question is very valid.



Politely expressed:
Please read all of the forthcoming information before reaching a premature
conclusion.

The previous folks that responded to your question have considerable
computing experience and knowledge.

Currently, you have received several responses to your sincere question;
which response is correct, and do you understand why responses often
conflict?


One reason, Microsoft does not provide technical support for OEM software
because the licensed builders and OEMs modify kernel code for implementing
the builders / OEMs own third party applications. Second reason, all
participants within these Forums are either users or volunteers, not
employees of Microsoft, hence, reason for the often obnoxious speculation
responses.

Not necessary for expressing the differences between all previous versions
of Microsoft Windows compared to Windows Vista. Also, the Forum response
conflicts did not occur until the introduction of Windows Vista, sincerely do
you understand why?

When a typical user installs Vista OEM software, will that user have the
knowledge for closing the open kernel door that was provided for licensed
builders and OEMs?
Historically, it is reported, receiving quality tech support from OEMs is
somewhere near a nightmare and/or a wish-filled dream, while communicating
with a server network, not humans.

Your Post indicates that you are fully aware of the many highly un-usual
user induced application conflicts currently Posted within these Forums.

What do you think will occur as people begin using OEM software; with the
hopes of saving a few dollars, and then later must pay a considerable fee for
proper tech support? Or, possibly later be forced for purchasing Genuine
Microsoft Software.

Easily, the price for OEM software plus the financial expense for just one
or two tech support telephone calls (if possible) could easily far exceed the
price for initially purchasing Genuine Microsoft Software, which includes
free technical support.

Considering Windows Vista is so incredibly technically advanced, today, many
individual IT Pros do not have a clue as for how to resolve technical issues
regarding Windows Vista.

It seems logical for believing when individual users install OEM Vista, the
secondary results would equal the proverbial Pandora’s Box containing
troubles and problems.

The above wil do one of two things, add to your understandable current
confusion, or, assist making a conclusion that only you can make for what is
best for your needs.
--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********



"kda" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.
>[/color]

1) Wrong.
2) Lunacy.

--
Maxwell Bluemeanie
"Vista Ready" <VistaReady@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:FDFB7DD6-1673-407E-8142-F14F6846E82D@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
>
> One reason, Microsoft does not provide technical support for OEM software
> because the licensed builders and OEMs modify kernel code for implementing
> the builders / OEMs own third party applications.
>
> When a typical user installs Vista OEM software, will that user have the
> knowledge for closing the open kernel door that was provided for licensed
> builders and OEMs?[/color]

Kerry,

What an incredibly intelligent and appropriate response !
[color=blue][color=green]
>> "Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with[/color][/color]
previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
common knowledge." <<

Humm, obviously, NewEgg does not have a clue... perhaps NewEgg is trying
their best for learning the resolution.

--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********



"Kerry Brown" wrote:
[color=blue]
> "kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
> news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=green]
> > Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> > factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> > answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
> >
> > If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> > I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> > Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
> >
> > I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> > do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
> >
> > Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> > is there a WMVP that would know?
> >
> > Thanks.[/color]
>
>
> Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with
> previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
> know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
> answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
> common knowledge.
>
> --
> Kerry Brown
> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
>
>
>[/color]

Kerry's answer was correct and your answer describes the knowledge that you do not have. You cannot and I stress
cannot install any OEM product over any Retail product that is on the computer especially a OEM Upgrade. Not ever and not in Vista either.


--
Peter

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"Vista Ready" <VistaReady@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:18EF1C58-3F0D-4499-B852-1B641E07E635@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Kerry,
>
> What an incredibly intelligent and appropriate response !
> [color=green][color=darkred]
>>> "Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with [/color][/color]
> previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
> know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
> answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
> common knowledge." <<
>
> Humm, obviously, NewEgg does not have a clue... perhaps NewEgg is trying
> their best for learning the resolution.
>
> --
> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>
> Posting & Painting
> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
> exposing them to the critic."
>
> Ambrose Bierce
> **********
>
>
>
> "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> [color=green]
>> "kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
>> news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>> > Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
>> > factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
>> > answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>> >
>> > If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
>> > I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
>> > Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>> >
>> > I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
>> > do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
>> > is there a WMVP that would know?
>> >
>> > Thanks.[/color]
>>
>>
>> Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with
>> previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
>> know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
>> answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
>> common knowledge.
>>
>> --
>> Kerry Brown
>> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
>> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
>>
>>
>>[/color][/color]

Hello Peter,

Fully, 100% I agree with your and Kerry’s assessment >> “Kerry's answer was
correct and your answer describes the knowledge that you do not have. You
cannot and I stress cannot install any OEM product over any Retail product
that is on the computer especially a OEM Upgrade. Not ever and not in Vista
either.” <<

Sincerely, what I have yet for knowing, to whom was the intended recipient
for your Post?

Tried determining the proper order of your Post and remain curious, will you
kindly satisfy my curiosity?

Reference Below:

Peter

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"Vista Ready" <VistaReady@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********



"Peter Foldes" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Kerry's answer was correct and your answer describes the knowledge that you do not have. You cannot and I stress
> cannot install any OEM product over any Retail product that is on the computer especially a OEM Upgrade. Not ever and not in Vista either.
>
>
> --
> Peter
>
> Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others
> Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged.
>
> "Vista Ready" <VistaReady@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:18EF1C58-3F0D-4499-B852-1B641E07E635@microsoft.com...[color=green]
> > Kerry,
> >
> > What an incredibly intelligent and appropriate response !
> >[color=darkred]
> >>> "Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with[/color]
> > previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
> > know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
> > answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
> > common knowledge." <<
> >
> > Humm, obviously, NewEgg does not have a clue... perhaps NewEgg is trying
> > their best for learning the resolution.
> >
> > --
> > Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
> >
> > Posting & Painting
> > "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
> > exposing them to the critic."
> >
> > Ambrose Bierce
> > **********
> >
> >
> >
> > "Kerry Brown" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "kda" <kda@iname.com> wrote in message
> >> news:t97or2hghodbj07b1asout8nkhu3jj7525@4ax.com...
> >> > Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> >> > factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> >> > answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
> >> >
> >> > If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> >> > I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> >> > Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
> >> >
> >> > I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> >> > do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
> >> >
> >> > Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> >> > is there a WMVP that would know?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Why don't you do the experiment and tell us. It was not possible with
> >> previous versions of Windows. That's all those of us who haven't tried it
> >> know. As there are very few if any OEM disks out in the public the best
> >> answer you'll get for now is probably not. A couple weeks from now it'll be
> >> common knowledge.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kerry Brown
> >> Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
> >> [url]http://www.vistahelp.ca[/url]
> >>
> >>
> >>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:
[color=blue]
> The answer is no. An OEM version of Windows Vista cannot
> perform an upgrade over Windows XP. OEM versions must
> be installed on a reformatted drive, known as a "clean install".
> Only "Retail Versions" of Vista can perform an upgrade.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "kda" wrote:
>
> Please, I'm not trying to be a smart ass but I am looking for a
> factual answer, if possible, and not speculation or "I think" type
> answers that seem to plague this board. THE QUESTION IS:
>
> If I buy Vista Ultimate OEM from a company like NewEgg for $199, will
> I be able to install it as an UPGRADE over my existing WinXP Pro Full
> Retail License (yes the expensive one)?
>
> I am looking to install as an upgrade (not full install) if I can as I
> do not really want to have to set everything up all over again.
>
> Does anyone know "FOR A FACT", i.e., personal experience or
> is there a WMVP that would know?
>
> Thanks.[/color]

Well if the answer is no then why is that option available when your running
XP? Go ahead and do an install on a HD with XP installed. The program will
clearly ask you if you want to do an UPGRADE or CUSTOM install. The upgrade
box is NOT greyed out. In the custom install you can install Vista to a
different partition if you have the disk space or extend your existing one if
you don't.

What happens if you select UPGRADE at that point?

Programmers have been known to mistakenly forget to remove options <s>

"Hugh Wyn Griffith" wrote:
[color=blue]
> What happens if you select UPGRADE at that point?
>
> Programmers have been known to mistakenly forget to remove options <s>
>
> Don't know because I didn't select that option but was surprised to see it was even there.[/color]

I've got a spare 80GB HD,over the weekend I'm going to unplug my main HD
and plug this one in. First install XP and then see what happens when I try
and do an upgrade using an OEM version of Vista. Could be fun....