According to several reputable sources
( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.

Quote:

---
" The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to) actively test and
provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us prepare for its release in the
second half of CY07 (calendar year 2007)."
Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be wrought in Vista
SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji' but some OS components which missed
the RTM cut-off will almost certainly be rolled into the update.

One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would be the Windows
PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a .NET-based command line shell with its
own scripting language.

However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from Windows Vista and
Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues as are the
primary focus for the Service Pack."

So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".

----

what I read is it is for the TAP program.
special requirements.



[email]mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com[/email]



"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
According to several reputable sources
( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.

Quote:

---
" The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to) actively test and
provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us prepare for its release in the
second half of CY07 (calendar year 2007)."
Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be wrought in Vista
SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji' but some OS components which missed
the RTM cut-off will almost certainly be rolled into the update.

One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would be the Windows
PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a .NET-based command line shell with its
own scripting language.

However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from Windows Vista and
Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues as are the
primary focus for the Service Pack."

So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".

----

"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> According to several reputable sources
> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.
>[/color]

Vista has launched and has been available to business customers since
November 2006.
There have already been customers deployed in live use with final code
in the area of tens of thousands of seats per customer since last
year.
--

Mike Brannigan

"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> According to several reputable sources
> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.
>
> Quote:
>
> ---
> " The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to)
> actively test and provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us
> prepare for its release in the second half of CY07 (calendar year
> 2007)."
> Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be
> wrought in Vista SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji'
> but some OS components which missed the RTM cut-off will almost
> certainly be rolled into the update.
>
> One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would
> be the Windows PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a
> .NET-based command line shell with its own scripting language.
>
> However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from
> Windows Vista and Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and
> other high impact issues as are the primary focus for the Service
> Pack."
>
> So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".
>
> ----
>
>
>[/color]

TAP is MSFT's "Technology Adoption Program"

Still, the invitation specifically implies Vista still has "high impact issues".

Testers will be enrolled in the Vista SP1 "Technology Adoption Program" and "must be
willing to provide feedback and deploy pre-release [Vista pre-release SP1] builds
into production environments."


---

"mikeyhsd" <mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com> wrote in message
news:OITNwIIQHHA.4924@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

what I read is it is for the TAP program.
special requirements.


[email]mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com[/email]



"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
According to several reputable sources
( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.

Quote:

---
" The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to) actively test and
provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us prepare for its release in the
second half of CY07 (calendar year 2007)."
Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be wrought in Vista
SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji' but some OS components which missed
the RTM cut-off will almost certainly be rolled into the update.

One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would be the Windows
PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a .NET-based command line shell with its
own scripting language.

However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from Windows Vista and
Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact issues as are the
primary focus for the Service Pack."

So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".

----

"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> According to several reputable sources
> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.[/color]

That is a good thing and nothing serious. There will be numerous features
that did not make it to the final version and they will be thinking about
adding them to the first service pack.

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> schreef in bericht
news:uUB4TIIQHHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> According to several reputable sources
>> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
>> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.
>>[/color]
>
> Vista has launched and has been available to business customers since November
> 2006.[/color]

A well known fact
[color=blue]
> There have already been customers deployed in live use with final code[/color]

We both know that "final code" doesn't exist :-)
Still, I applaud the Vista SP1 effort.
[color=blue]
> in the area of tens of thousands of seats per customer since last year.[/color]

These corporate customers tend to use just a fraction of what Vista is capable of -
typically running office software.

Yes they are in fact getting new TAP for SP1 of Vista. In a large
organization like MS, planning and getting approval takes a long time.

--
Jabez Gan
Microsoft MVP
Windows Server: File System
[url]http://www.msblog.org[/url]


"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> According to several reputable sources
> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.
>
> Quote:
>
> ---
> " The company has put out a call for "customers and partners (to) actively
> test and provide feedback on Windows Vista SP1 to help us prepare for its
> release in the second half of CY07 (calendar year 2007)."
> Microsoft hasn't released details of exactly what changes will be wrought
> in Vista SP1, which has been assigned the codename 'Fiji' but some OS
> components which missed the RTM cut-off will almost certainly be rolled
> into the update.
>
> One of the candidates for this better-late-than-never brigade would be the
> Windows PowerShell, previously Microsoft Shell -- a .NET-based command
> line shell with its own scripting language.
>
> However, the Redmond clarion call declares that "regressions from Windows
> Vista and Windows XP, security, deployment blockers and other high impact
> issues as are the primary focus for the Service Pack."
>
> So, yes, the still not-yet-released Vista has "high impact issues".
>
> ----
>
>
>[/color]

"Beck" <beck@none> schreef in bericht news:OGas%23BJQHHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> According to several reputable sources
>> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
>> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.[/color]
>
> That is a good thing and nothing serious. There will be numerous features that did
> not make it to the final version and they will be thinking about adding them to the
> first service pack.[/color]



[url]http://news.com.com/Microsoft+already+planning+Vista+service+pack/2100-1016_3-6152704.html[/url]
MSFT spokesperson:

Quote:
"We expect Windows Vista SP1 to be a standard service pack that will include security
updates and hot fixes,
as well as limited other changes "

In article <#RmesBJQHHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, in the
microsoft.public.windows.vista.security news group, EU XP user
<invalid@123.invalid> says...
[color=blue]
> TAP is MSFT's "Technology Adoption Program"
>
> Still, the invitation specifically implies Vista still has "high impact issues".
>
> Testers will be enrolled in the Vista SP1 "Technology Adoption Program" and "must be
> willing to provide feedback and deploy pre-release [Vista pre-release SP1] builds
> into production environments."[/color]

And the TAP is not the same thing as the general technical beta
test. The bar for admittance to the TAP program is quite high
and there are certain commitments required of the company's that
are accepted into the program that don't exist for the regular
technical beta test channel. TAPs are generally limited to
large, enterprise organizations. Individuals are not allowed
into TAPs.

--
Paul Adare - MVP Virtual Machines
Waiting for a bus is about as thrilling as fishing,
with the similar tantalisation that something,
sometime, somehow, will turn up. George Courtauld

But corporate customers are not the only ones.
There are a great many others with legitimate access to Vista RTM.
The two sentences of Mikes Post, part of which you edited out also refer to
other than corporate coustomers.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message >> Vista has launched
and has been available to business customers since November[color=blue][color=green]
>> 2006.[/color]
>
> A well known fact
>[color=green]
>> There have already been customers deployed in live use with final code[/color]
>
> We both know that "final code" doesn't exist :-)
> Still, I applaud the Vista SP1 effort.
>[color=green]
>> in the area of tens of thousands of seats per customer since last year.[/color]
>
> These corporate customers tend to use just a fraction of what Vista is
> capable of -
> typically running office software.[/color]

"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:OeC0VEJQHHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> schreef in bericht
> news:uUB4TIIQHHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> According to several reputable sources
>>> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
>>> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Vista has launched and has been available to business customers
>> since November 2006.[/color]
>
> A well known fact
>[/color]

So why are you surprised that the SP1 beta program is getting underway
and you even explicitly said "...before Vista launches" - which
clearly implied you were not aware that a huge number of seats have
been deployed with RTM code for a number of months now.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> There have already been customers deployed in live use with final
>> code[/color]
>
> We both know that "final code" doesn't exist :-)
> Still, I applaud the Vista SP1 effort.
>[color=green]
>> in the area of tens of thousands of seats per customer since last
>> year.[/color]
>
> These corporate customers tend to use just a fraction of what Vista
> is capable of -
> typically running office software.
>[/color]

Not true - the corporate who have deployed tens of thousands of seats
of RTM code last year are using full functionality across all the
usage scenarios for the product.

--

Mike Brannigan

[color=blue]
>
>
>
>[/color]

SP1 will not include new features. Any new features would only be added to
a future release of Windows such as Vista R2 (if there is one) or Windows
codename Vienna.

"Beck" <beck@none> wrote in message
news:OGas%23BJQHHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OP$SWwHQHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> According to several reputable sources
>> ( [url]http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1[/url])
>> MSFT is looking for Vista SP1 testers, even before Vista launches.[/color]
>
> That is a good thing and nothing serious. There will be numerous features
> that did not make it to the final version and they will be thinking about
> adding them to the first service pack.[/color]

"Mike Brannigan" <Mike.Brannigan@localhost> schreef in bericht
news:%23QEkiNKQHHA.3668@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
> news:OeC0VEJQHHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> These corporate customers tend to use just a fraction of what Vista is capable
>> of -
>> typically running office software.
>>[/color]
>
> Not true - the corporate who have deployed tens of thousands of seats of RTM code
> last year are using full functionality across all the usage scenarios for the
> product.[/color]


Sure, those corporate users are watching "Final Impact" movies
in HD-DVD on their brand-new, corporate, non-HDCP compliant
VISTA-Ultimate mediacenter entertainment systems.

And obviously, they all upgraded from XP instead of a clean install,
with countless invalid registry entries...

:-)

You have a valid point, also non-corporate customers are currently using Vista RTM.

But Vista's hardware and elaborate driver requirements make it a OS to be aquired
with Vista certfied and tested new hardware.

I tried the Vista upgrade advisor on several XP machines: most showed major soft or
hardware incompatibilities.



"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> schreef in bericht
news:uDsq5MKQHHA.1280@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> But corporate customers are not the only ones.
> There are a great many others with legitimate access to Vista RTM.
> The two sentences of Mikes Post, part of which you edited out also refer to other
> than corporate coustomers.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> [url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
> [url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]
>
>
> "EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message >> Vista has launched and has
> been available to business customers since November[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> 2006.[/color]
>>
>> A well known fact
>>[color=darkred]
>>> There have already been customers deployed in live use with final code[/color]
>>
>> We both know that "final code" doesn't exist :-)
>> Still, I applaud the Vista SP1 effort.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> in the area of tens of thousands of seats per customer since last year.[/color]
>>
>> These corporate customers tend to use just a fraction of what Vista is capable
>> of -
>> typically running office software.[/color]
>[/color]

"But Vista's hardware and elaborate driver requirements make..."
Not true.
Nothing elaborate about the Vista requirements.

Vista runs fine on my computer.
The newest component is an over 18 month old old video card.
More memory would be a plus for my system, but that is not necessary and
hardly elaborate.

The upgrade advisor showed some incompatibilities on mine as well.
All were resolved when I did the Clean Installation with newest drivers 2
months ago.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"EU XP user" <invalid@123.invalid> wrote in message
news:%23sHB0pKQHHA.4104@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> You have a valid point, also non-corporate customers are currently using
> Vista RTM.
>
> But Vista's hardware and elaborate driver requirements make it a OS to be
> aquired
> with Vista certfied and tested new hardware.
>
> I tried the Vista upgrade advisor on several XP machines: most showed
> major soft or hardware incompatibilities.[/color]