I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
--
AMD-FX-60
2gb OCZ Plat. memory
ATI 1800 AIW
2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
Senior Member Overclockers.com

Hello Chris,

The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing the
differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some things
that currently you are aware.

1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
within System Properties contain OEM?
2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning the
maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft) do
not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not understanding
how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
Microsoft’s OS.
4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM computer
makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security codes
for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door wide
weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own, supposedly,
security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance from
the OEM.
6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware, and
any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub 7s
and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
software.
8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be allowed
for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could no
longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone provides
Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.

Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?

Respectfully,
--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********



"Chris S" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
> am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
> coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
> [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
> --
> AMD-FX-60
> 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
> ATI 1800 AIW
> 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
> 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
> Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
> Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color]

Ambrose, maybe I'm stupid but you have confused me. If Microsoft have
prevented OEM's from harming the Vista security features why are you
suggesting that Newegg's offer could be a dud? When my Beta version expires
in June I will almost certainly want to buy Vista and the price will be
important to me.

"Vista Ready" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Hello Chris,
>
> The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing the
> differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some things
> that currently you are aware.
>
> 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
> Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
> within System Properties contain OEM?
> 2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning the
> maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft) do
> not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
> 3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not understanding
> how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
> Microsoft’s OS.
> 4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM computer
> makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security codes
> for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
> 5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door wide
> weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
> Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own, supposedly,
> security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance from
> the OEM.
> 6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
> for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware, and
> any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
> problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
> 7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
> origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub 7s
> and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
> software.
> 8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
> Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be allowed
> for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
> 9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
> anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could no
> longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
> 10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone provides
> Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.
>
> Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?
>
> Respectfully,
> --
> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>
> Posting & Painting
> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
> exposing them to the critic."
>
> Ambrose Bierce
> **********
>
>
>
> "Chris S" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
> > am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
> > coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
> > [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
> > --
> > AMD-FX-60
> > 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
> > ATI 1800 AIW
> > 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
> > 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
> > Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
> > Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color][/color]

I wouldn't pay much no nevermind to "Vista Ready," if I were you. See:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrose_Bierce[/url]



spirefm wrote:[color=blue]
> Ambrose, maybe I'm stupid but you have confused me. If Microsoft have
> prevented OEM's from harming the Vista security features why are you
> suggesting that Newegg's offer could be a dud? When my Beta version expires
> in June I will almost certainly want to buy Vista and the price will be
> important to me.
>
> "Vista Ready" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing the
>> differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some things
>> that currently you are aware.
>>
>> 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
>> Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
>> within System Properties contain OEM?
>> 2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning the
>> maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft) do
>> not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
>> 3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not understanding
>> how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
>> Microsoft’s OS.
>> 4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM computer
>> makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security codes
>> for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
>> 5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door wide
>> weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
>> Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own, supposedly,
>> security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance from
>> the OEM.
>> 6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
>> for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware, and
>> any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
>> problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
>> 7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
>> origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub 7s
>> and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
>> software.
>> 8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
>> Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be allowed
>> for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
>> 9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
>> anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could no
>> longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
>> 10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone provides
>> Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.
>>
>> Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> --
>> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>>
>> Posting & Painting
>> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
>> exposing them to the critic."
>>
>> Ambrose Bierce
>> **********
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris S" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
>>> am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
>>> coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
>>> [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
>>> --
>>> AMD-FX-60
>>> 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
>>> ATI 1800 AIW
>>> 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
>>> 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
>>> Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
>>> Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color][/color][/color]

spirefm,

As you are aware, every person has their own opinions, some folks are
dogmatic, and some are not.

In my view, have learned it far best learning from Microsoft's Expert
Designers and Engineers regarding anything related to Windows Vista.

If you would take just a few moments for quickly reading the technical
information contained within the below URL, then develop your personal views
/ opinions...

The Microsoft employee that authored the below URL earned his PhD in
Computer Science years ago, please be assured that man is indeed the ultimate
authority, in respect to Windows Vista, as an entire OS.

[url]http://www.microsoft.com/security/windowsvista/allchin.mspx[/url]

The only person for complying you decision making process should be you.

Thanks for your response,
--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********



"spirefm" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ambrose, maybe I'm stupid but you have confused me. If Microsoft have
> prevented OEM's from harming the Vista security features why are you
> suggesting that Newegg's offer could be a dud? When my Beta version expires
> in June I will almost certainly want to buy Vista and the price will be
> important to me.
>
> "Vista Ready" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Hello Chris,
> >
> > The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing the
> > differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some things
> > that currently you are aware.
> >
> > 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
> > Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
> > within System Properties contain OEM?
> > 2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning the
> > maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft) do
> > not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
> > 3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not understanding
> > how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
> > Microsoft’s OS.
> > 4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM computer
> > makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security codes
> > for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
> > 5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door wide
> > weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
> > Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own, supposedly,
> > security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance from
> > the OEM.
> > 6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
> > for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware, and
> > any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
> > problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
> > 7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
> > origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub 7s
> > and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
> > software.
> > 8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
> > Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be allowed
> > for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
> > 9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
> > anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could no
> > longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
> > 10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone provides
> > Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.
> >
> > Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > --
> > Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
> >
> > Posting & Painting
> > "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
> > exposing them to the critic."
> >
> > Ambrose Bierce
> > **********
> >
> >
> >
> > "Chris S" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
> > > am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
> > > coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
> > > [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
> > > --
> > > AMD-FX-60
> > > 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
> > > ATI 1800 AIW
> > > 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
> > > 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
> > > Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
> > > Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color][/color][/color]

How about Ultimate for $199.99 also via New Egg
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116213[/url]

Enjoy

--
Jason
Windows Vista RTM
MS Office 2007 RTM
"Chris S" <ChrisS@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B5C77710-5A25-48D0-9383-1733D1B5C923@microsoft.com...
I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg early. I
am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have it
coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
[url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
--
AMD-FX-60
2gb OCZ Plat. memory
ATI 1800 AIW
2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
Senior Member Overclockers.com

It is not a dud, but an OEM edition is for installation on a new computer.
It is not for replacing the OS on an existing computer. I have not read any
reports of use of a Vista OEM so if you already have an OS installed on your
computer I would wait until we have some reports. A lot has changed with
Vista and for all we know an OEM copy might not even install if another OS
is present. If you are building your own computer then that might be
different.

"spirefm" <spirefm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C4073872-354C-46FB-9135-04E75F4AAD2F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Ambrose, maybe I'm stupid but you have confused me. If Microsoft have
> prevented OEM's from harming the Vista security features why are you
> suggesting that Newegg's offer could be a dud? When my Beta version
> expires
> in June I will almost certainly want to buy Vista and the price will be
> important to me.
>
> "Vista Ready" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing
>> the
>> differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some
>> things
>> that currently you are aware.
>>
>> 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
>> Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
>> within System Properties contain OEM?
>> 2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning
>> the
>> maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft)
>> do
>> not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
>> 3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not
>> understanding
>> how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
>> Microsoft’s OS.
>> 4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM
>> computer
>> makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security
>> codes
>> for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
>> 5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door
>> wide
>> weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
>> Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own,
>> supposedly,
>> security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance
>> from
>> the OEM.
>> 6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
>> for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware,
>> and
>> any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
>> problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
>> 7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
>> origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub
>> 7s
>> and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
>> software.
>> 8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
>> Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be
>> allowed
>> for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
>> 9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
>> anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could
>> no
>> longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
>> 10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone
>> provides
>> Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.
>>
>> Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> --
>> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>>
>> Posting & Painting
>> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
>> exposing them to the critic."
>>
>> Ambrose Bierce
>> **********
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris S" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg
>> > early. I
>> > am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have
>> > it
>> > coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
>> > [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
>> > --
>> > AMD-FX-60
>> > 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
>> > ATI 1800 AIW
>> > 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
>> > 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
>> > Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
>> > Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color][/color][/color]

Hi,

I think the point "Vista Ready" was trying to make is that you won't be able
to get official Microsoft support for your installation (I believe) and that
is why it was called a "dud"

Now, there are bigger issues with OEM copies, the biggest being that the
license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on. That means
that should you choose to upgrade your machine in the future, your license
will not transfer, and you will need a new copy of Windows

Also, I STRONGLY suggest not waiting until your copy expires in June. I
have a very strong feeling that come a week from now (i.e., after general
availability), there will be no more updates for the beta software. That's
the way it has worked in the past, and I would be quite surprised to see it
any different

--
--Jonathan Maltz [Microsoft MVP - Windows Server - IIS, Virtual PC]
[url]http://www.visualwin.com[/url] - A Windows Server 2003 visual, step-by-step
tutorial site :-)
[url]http://vpc.visualwin.com[/url] - Does <insert OS name> work on VPC 2004? Find out
here
Only reply by newsgroup. I do not do technical support via email. Any
emails I have not authorized are deleted before I see them.


"spirefm" <spirefm@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:C4073872-354C-46FB-9135-04E75F4AAD2F@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Ambrose, maybe I'm stupid but you have confused me. If Microsoft have
> prevented OEM's from harming the Vista security features why are you
> suggesting that Newegg's offer could be a dud? When my Beta version
> expires
> in June I will almost certainly want to buy Vista and the price will be
> important to me.
>
> "Vista Ready" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Hello Chris,
>>
>> The simplest (absent in-depth technical details) method for describing
>> the
>> differences between an OEM OS and Genuine Microsoft Software are some
>> things
>> that currently you are aware.
>>
>> 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
>> Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
>> within System Properties contain OEM?
>> 2. If the answer is yes, instantly Microsoft informs you for telephoning
>> the
>> maker of your Computer for Technical assistance, because they (Microsoft)
>> do
>> not have technical knowledge of your Operation System.
>> 3. Commonly, folks gently insist, but my OS is Microsoft not
>> understanding
>> how it could be possible for Microsoft not being fully familiar with
>> Microsoft’s OS.
>> 4. The reason that Microsoft is not familiar with the OEM OS; OEM
>> computer
>> makers are allowed permission from Microsoft for modifying the Security
>> codes
>> for implementing the OEM s own third party applications.
>> 5. Historically, too frequently, OEMs open the (OS Security) back door
>> wide
>> weakening Microsoft’s intended Security, often the OEMs disable many
>> Microsoft Security Features just for implementing the OEMs own,
>> supposedly,
>> security features with Links for seeking on line technical assistance
>> from
>> the OEM.
>> 6. The secondary results, whackers and hackers explore the OEMs OS merely
>> for learning methods for planting viruses, Trojans, Key Loggers, malware,
>> and
>> any other OS Threats for the sole purpose of instigating troubles and
>> problems for Microsoft’s integrity and reputation.
>> 7. Since the majority of end users do not comprehend the true source of
>> origination for the viruses, malware, and other Threats many known as Sub
>> 7s
>> and rootkits, Microsoft is wrongly assigned blame for producing inferior
>> software.
>> 8. As Windows Vista was being developed, it was firmly determined by
>> Microsoft’s engineers and designers that OEMs would never again be
>> allowed
>> for modifying extremely important inherent Vista Security Kernel Codes.
>> 9. The net results, designers of third party applications (specifically
>> anti-virus / anti-malware) providers wildly complained because they could
>> no
>> longer alter Vista’s most important Security Kernel Codes.
>> 10. In condensed summary, today, Windows Vista, as a whole, alone
>> provides
>> Ultimate Security specifically when using BitLocker.
>>
>> Question: Do you have a bargin, or do you have a dud?
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> --
>> Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !
>>
>> Posting & Painting
>> "Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
>> exposing them to the critic."
>>
>> Ambrose Bierce
>> **********
>>
>>
>>
>> "Chris S" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > I just got me the home premium version for $119.99 OEM from Newegg
>> > early. I
>> > am unsure if it is a mistake or not but they said "in stock" so I have
>> > it
>> > coming Fed-Ex overnight! Link to the product:
>> > [url]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116202[/url]
>> > --
>> > AMD-FX-60
>> > 2gb OCZ Plat. memory
>> > ATI 1800 AIW
>> > 2x74gb Raptors in RAID-0
>> > 2x400gb WD HDD in RAID-1
>> > Epox Nvidia-4 Ultra M/B
>> > Senior Member Overclockers.com[/color][/color][/color]

Never assume the point "Vista Ready", et al, is trying to make.
As many times, the only point involved is the one on top of his head.

Telephone support issues (not a critical deal breaker for many) and
re-activation issues aside (usually solved with a phone call which is not
the same as ongoing technical support), there is no functional or
discernable difference between the OS that ends up on your hard drive when
using a Microsoft Windows OEM or a Microsoft Windows retail disc of the same
edition.
------------------
And by the way, Master Vista Ready (below), the letters "O-E-M" have not
necessarily been a part of the Product ID for OEM MS Windows for quite some
time. So please try to get at least SOME of your facts straight. A daunting
task for you, no doubt.
----------------
--
Maxwell Bluemeanie
"Jonathan Maltz [MS-MVP]" <jmaltz@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:F1057EB6-0A46-4229-A06E-A78D2F5CA9CA@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I think the point "Vista Ready" was trying to make is that you won't be
> able to get official Microsoft support for your installation (I believe)
> and that is why it was called a "dud"
>
> Now, there are bigger issues with OEM copies, the biggest being that the
> license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on. That means
> that should you choose to upgrade your machine in the future, your license
> will not transfer, and you will need a new copy of Windows[/color]
<snip>
[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> "Vista Ready" wrote:[/color][/color]
<snip>[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> 1. Should you need technical assistance for your Computer and telephone
>>> Microsoft, one of the first questions asked, does your Product Key Code,
>>> within System Properties contain OEM?[/color][/color][/color]
<snip>

Jonathan Maltz [MS-MVP] wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi,
>
> I think the point "Vista Ready" was trying to make is that you won't be
> able to get official Microsoft support for your installation (I believe)
> and that is why it was called a "dud"
>
> Now, there are bigger issues with OEM copies, the biggest being that the
> license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on. That means
> that should you choose to upgrade your machine in the future, your
> license will not transfer, and you will need a new copy of Windows
>
> Also, I STRONGLY suggest not waiting until your copy expires in June. I
> have a very strong feeling that come a week from now (i.e., after
> general availability), there will be no more updates for the beta
> software. That's the way it has worked in the past, and I would be
> quite surprised to see it any different
>[/color]
I went to the walmart site and they have Microsoft Windows XP Home
Edition OEM Version for purchase. The item description makes the
following statement:
# This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
transferred to another PC once it is installed.
# The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of
the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing
all end user support for the software. The link provided for the system
builders site is as follows:
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx[/url]

No where in the system builder license is anything mentioned about the
os being tied to the motherboard. I believe it has been stated in these
newsgroups that the eula itself has no mention of the os being tied to
the motherboard. Can anyone provide some clarification as to where the
motherboard tie-in is actually stated? Thanks.

--
norm

Whether or not the OS is keyed to the system board (motherboard) is up to
the manufacturer and is not universal.
Regarding installation - installation can be on another computer if the
original installation is uninstalled. Following is information from
Microsoft pertaining to XP - most likely will also apply to Vista:

""MPA is included in the Retail and OEM versions of Office XP and in Windows
XP. To complete the activation of these products, users can use any one of
the following methods:.
The MPA-enabled product authenticates over the Internet.

Regional and localized call centers (Microsoft Licensing Clearing Houses)
will handle direct contact with customers. Where available, these call
centers will be toll free."

".However, if a licensed end user needs to activate because the OEM
pre-activation does not work as expected (e.g., after the replacement of a
defective motherboard) they can do so via phone-based activation.."



"Pre-activation" of Windows XP by the OEMs will be done in one of two
different ways depending on the OEM's own configuration options and choices.
Some OEMs may protect Windows XP using a mechanism which locks the
installation to OEM-specified BIOS information in the PC. This technology
works very similar to existing technologies that many OEMs have used over
the years with the CDs they ship to reinstall Windows on these computers. We
expanded and integrated the existing OEM CD BIOS locking mechanism with
product activation, and call this method of protection "System Locked
Pre-installation," or SLP.

Successfully implemented, SLP uses information stored in an OEM PC's BIOS to
protect the installation from casual piracy. No communication by the end
customer to Microsoft is required and no hardware hash is created or
necessary. At boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP
information. If it matches, no activation is required.

Every single piece of hardware could be changed on a PC with SLP and no
reactivation would be required - even the motherboard could be replaced as
long as the replacement motherboard was original equipment manufactured by
the OEM and retained the proper BIOS. In the unlikely scenario that the BIOS
information does not match, the PC would need to be activated within 30 days
by contacting the Microsoft activation center via the Internet or telephone
call - just as in a retail scenario."





"norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
news:%23LUg%23F$PHHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Jonathan Maltz [MS-MVP] wrote:[color=green]
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think the point "Vista Ready" was trying to make is that you won't be
>> able to get official Microsoft support for your installation (I believe)
>> and that is why it was called a "dud"
>>
>> Now, there are bigger issues with OEM copies, the biggest being that the
>> license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on. That means
>> that should you choose to upgrade your machine in the future, your
>> license will not transfer, and you will need a new copy of Windows
>>
>> Also, I STRONGLY suggest not waiting until your copy expires in June. I
>> have a very strong feeling that come a week from now (i.e., after general
>> availability), there will be no more updates for the beta software.
>> That's the way it has worked in the past, and I would be quite surprised
>> to see it any different
>>[/color]
> I went to the walmart site and they have Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
> OEM Version for purchase. The item description makes the following
> statement:
> # This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
> transferred to another PC once it is installed.
> # The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of
> the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all
> end user support for the software. The link provided for the system
> builders site is as follows:
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx[/url]
>
> No where in the system builder license is anything mentioned about the os
> being tied to the motherboard. I believe it has been stated in these
> newsgroups that the eula itself has no mention of the os being tied to the
> motherboard. Can anyone provide some clarification as to where the
> motherboard tie-in is actually stated? Thanks.
>
> --
> norm[/color]

AJR wrote:[color=blue]
> Whether or not the OS is keyed to the system board (motherboard) is up to
> the manufacturer and is not universal.
> Regarding installation - installation can be on another computer if the
> original installation is uninstalled. Following is information from
> Microsoft pertaining to XP - most likely will also apply to Vista:
>
> ""MPA is included in the Retail and OEM versions of Office XP and in Windows
> XP. To complete the activation of these products, users can use any one of
> the following methods:.
> The MPA-enabled product authenticates over the Internet.
>
> Regional and localized call centers (Microsoft Licensing Clearing Houses)
> will handle direct contact with customers. Where available, these call
> centers will be toll free."
>
> ".However, if a licensed end user needs to activate because the OEM
> pre-activation does not work as expected (e.g., after the replacement of a
> defective motherboard) they can do so via phone-based activation.."
>
>
>
> "Pre-activation" of Windows XP by the OEMs will be done in one of two
> different ways depending on the OEM's own configuration options and choices.
> Some OEMs may protect Windows XP using a mechanism which locks the
> installation to OEM-specified BIOS information in the PC. This technology
> works very similar to existing technologies that many OEMs have used over
> the years with the CDs they ship to reinstall Windows on these computers. We
> expanded and integrated the existing OEM CD BIOS locking mechanism with
> product activation, and call this method of protection "System Locked
> Pre-installation," or SLP.
>
> Successfully implemented, SLP uses information stored in an OEM PC's BIOS to
> protect the installation from casual piracy. No communication by the end
> customer to Microsoft is required and no hardware hash is created or
> necessary. At boot, Windows XP compares the PC's BIOS to the SLP
> information. If it matches, no activation is required.
>
> Every single piece of hardware could be changed on a PC with SLP and no
> reactivation would be required - even the motherboard could be replaced as
> long as the replacement motherboard was original equipment manufactured by
> the OEM and retained the proper BIOS. In the unlikely scenario that the BIOS
> information does not match, the PC would need to be activated within 30 days
> by contacting the Microsoft activation center via the Internet or telephone
> call - just as in a retail scenario."
>
>
>
>
>
> "norm" <noone@afakeddomain.net> wrote in message
> news:%23LUg%23F$PHHA.4912@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Jonathan Maltz [MS-MVP] wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think the point "Vista Ready" was trying to make is that you won't be
>>> able to get official Microsoft support for your installation (I believe)
>>> and that is why it was called a "dud"
>>>
>>> Now, there are bigger issues with OEM copies, the biggest being that the
>>> license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on. That means
>>> that should you choose to upgrade your machine in the future, your
>>> license will not transfer, and you will need a new copy of Windows
>>>
>>> Also, I STRONGLY suggest not waiting until your copy expires in June. I
>>> have a very strong feeling that come a week from now (i.e., after general
>>> availability), there will be no more updates for the beta software.
>>> That's the way it has worked in the past, and I would be quite surprised
>>> to see it any different
>>>[/color]
>> I went to the walmart site and they have Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
>> OEM Version for purchase. The item description makes the following
>> statement:
>> # This OEM version is intended for system builders only and cannot be
>> transferred to another PC once it is installed.
>> # The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of
>> the System Builder license , including the responsibility of providing all
>> end user support for the software. The link provided for the system
>> builders site is as follows:
>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/oem/sblicense/default.mspx[/url]
>>
>> No where in the system builder license is anything mentioned about the os
>> being tied to the motherboard. I believe it has been stated in these
>> newsgroups that the eula itself has no mention of the os being tied to the
>> motherboard. Can anyone provide some clarification as to where the
>> motherboard tie-in is actually stated? Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> norm[/color]
>
>[/color]
I am not talking about an oem computer purchased with the os already
loaded, as the info you have provided deals with (and I appreciate the
time and effort spent providing the info that you did). I am talking
about this statement in particular: "Now, there are bigger issues with
OEM copies, the biggest being that the license is tied to the first
motherboard it is installed on." The referenced oem product being sold
at walmart.com is not preinstalled on a computer. In this case it is the
packaged disk and an accompanying mouse. The question remains: Where is
it stated in either the eula or the referenced system builders site that
"the license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on?"

--
norm

"AJR" wrote
[color=blue]
> Whether or not the OS is keyed to the system board (motherboard) is up to
> the manufacturer and is not universal.
> Regarding installation - installation can be on another computer if the
> original installation is uninstalled. Following is information from
> Microsoft pertaining to XP - most likely will also apply to Vista:[/color]

<snip>

Not if it's an OEM copy. OEM copies of XP are tied by the EULA to the first
computer on which it's installed. They can't be transferred to a different
computer or sold, unless the computer on which it's installed is sold with
it.

The sticking point, and one which MS has not clarified, is when upgrading a
computer that has an OEM installation at what point does it become a new
computer.

We have not seen the Vista OEM EULA so it's terms are uncertain at this
point.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

"norm" wrote

<snip>
[color=blue]
> I am not talking about an oem computer purchased with the os already
> loaded, as the info you have provided deals with (and I appreciate the
> time and effort spent providing the info that you did). I am talking about
> this statement in particular: "Now, there are bigger issues with OEM
> copies, the biggest being that the license is tied to the first
> motherboard it is installed on." The referenced oem product being sold at
> walmart.com is not preinstalled on a computer. In this case it is the
> packaged disk and an accompanying mouse. The question remains: Where is
> it stated in either the eula or the referenced system builders site that
> "the license is tied to the first motherboard it is installed on?"[/color]

Norm, there is no documentation to say that it's tied to the motherboard.
MS has been unwilling with XP to state what constitutes a new computer for
purposes of the OEM license. Some people have argued that the motherboard
constitutes the computer, but there is nothing written which says this is
the case. One MVP I know suggest one could make a good argument that it's
the computer case which constitutes the computer since the product key
sticker is affixed to the case. In any event there is no documentation to
say the license is tied to the motherboard.

We have not see the EULA for Vista OEM so it's unknown at this point what it
says about this.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

In article <uMjEtWCQHHA.1604@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
[email]rock@nospam.net[/email] says...[color=blue]
> "AJR" wrote
> The sticking point, and one which MS has not clarified, is when upgrading a
> computer that has an OEM installation at what point does it become a new
> computer.[/color]

It is a new computer after you change the motherboard,
processor, video card, memory, hard drives and case all at
once.

If you do it an hour apart it is still the same computer.