On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
[color=blue]
> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>
> Take a look at the numbers.
>
> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>
>
> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number of
> registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like the
> actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>
> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url][/color]

Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
Linux usage with either one.

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>
>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>
>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>
>>
>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number of
>> registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like the
>> actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>
>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url][/color]
>
> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
> Linux usage with either one.[/color]


OK - Add 3 to the count.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
[color=blue]
> ray wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>
>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>
>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number of
>>> registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like the
>>> actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>>
>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url][/color]
>>
>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
>> Linux usage with either one.[/color]
>
>
> OK - Add 3 to the count.[/color]

OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
extrapolate.

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
>[color=green]
>> ray wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number of
>>>> registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like the
>>>> actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
>>> Linux usage with either one.[/color]
>>
>> OK - Add 3 to the count.[/color]
>
> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
> extrapolate.[/color]


OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users. Still
doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
[color=blue]
> ray wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like
>>>>> the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>>>>
>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
>>>> Linux usage with either one.
>>>
>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.[/color]
>>
>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>> extrapolate.[/color]
>
>
> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users. Still
> doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.[/color]

Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
400000 in the U.S.

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
>[color=green]
>> ray wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like
>>>>>> the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
>>>>> Linux usage with either one.
>>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.
>>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>>> extrapolate.[/color]
>>
>> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users. Still
>> doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.[/color]
>
> Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
> 400000 in the U.S.[/color]

Sorry but using only 20 as a sample base is not sufficient for any
accurate (+/-3%) sample that can be accurately extrapolated.

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth wrote:
>[color=green]
>> ray wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more like
>>>>>> the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just FYI.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register their
>>>>> Linux usage with either one.
>>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.
>>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>>> extrapolate.[/color]
>>
>> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users. Still
>> doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.[/color]
>
> Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
> 400000 in the U.S.[/color]

If you really want to gather an accurate sample base that can be
accurately extrapolated then you need a scientifically conducted
randomly sampled survey of more than 125 persons.
No shills, plants or ringers allowed. None of your linux club members
can know what you're up to.
The best place to conduct one of these is where most all types
(social/economically speaking) of people go...to the Super Market.
Weekends are best.
Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below
question on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):

Which do you use:

Windows
Apple
Linux

as your operating system.

If they say Windows, ask which version (most may not know). Do the same
for all answers.

Obviously, any linux user will/should know which distro they use.
For multi-booters of Windows/linux mark the one that they use the most.

Report back when you've go the info!
Oh and have fun...in person surveys can be very interesting!

"FB" <fb@scu.yu> wrote in message news:4a6e944b@news.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below question
> on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):
>
> Which do you use:[/color]

90% of supermarket customers wouldn't have a CLUE as to what their OS is
called....

"Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth" <mnh@mnh.com> wrote in message
news:h4l4or$q8h$1@news.eternal-september.org...[color=blue]
>
> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users. Still
> doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.
>[/color]

And of course you know of an infallible way to count the number of
installations of an OS that is free, has no restrictions on the number of
installs from one CD download, may be given away, as many copies as you like
made, no activation needed, no registration needed or asked for, etc etc,
etc.........
You can have NO idea of the numbers, so how on earth do you come to your
conclusion?
Idiot.

Gordon wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "FB" <fb@scu.yu> wrote in message news:4a6e944b@news.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below
>> question on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):
>>
>> Which do you use:[/color]
>
> 90% of supermarket customers wouldn't have a CLUE as to what their OS is
> called....[/color]

Err <sigh> you have spoken to 90% of supermarket customers? Err. How do
you know, Err, that they wouldn't have an Err Clue <sigh>?

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0700, FB wrote:
[color=blue]
> ray wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more
>>>>>>> like the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just
>>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register
>>>>>> their Linux usage with either one.
>>>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.
>>>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>>>> extrapolate.
>>>
>>> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users.
>>> Still doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.[/color]
>>
>> Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
>> 400000 in the U.S.[/color]
>
> Sorry but using only 20 as a sample base is not sufficient for any
> accurate (+/-3%) sample that can be accurately extrapolated.[/color]

Don't recall claiming any particular accuracy - but as least as accurate
as OP's claim.

On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 23:01:39 -0700, FB wrote:
[color=blue]
> ray wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> ray wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more
>>>>>>> like the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just
>>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register
>>>>>> their Linux usage with either one.
>>>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.
>>>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>>>> extrapolate.
>>>
>>> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users.
>>> Still doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.[/color]
>>
>> Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
>> 400000 in the U.S.[/color]
>
> If you really want to gather an accurate sample base that can be
> accurately extrapolated then you need a scientifically conducted
> randomly sampled survey of more than 125 persons. No shills, plants or
> ringers allowed. None of your linux club members can know what you're up
> to.
> The best place to conduct one of these is where most all types
> (social/economically speaking) of people go...to the Super Market.
> Weekends are best.
> Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below
> question on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):
>
> Which do you use:
>
> Windows
> Apple
> Linux
>
> as your operating system.
>
> If they say Windows, ask which version (most may not know). Do the same
> for all answers.
>
> Obviously, any linux user will/should know which distro they use. For
> multi-booters of Windows/linux mark the one that they use the most.
>
> Report back when you've go the info!
> Oh and have fun...in person surveys can be very interesting![/color]

Didn't make any accuracy claims. Merely disputing the OP's outrageous
claim.

ray wrote:[color=blue]
> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:40:50 -0700, FB wrote:
>[color=green]
>> ray wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:04:06 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:54:26 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ray wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 27 Jul 2009 10:32:57 -0700, Manfred Nathanal Hollingsworth
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias says that there are over 10 million Ubuntu users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Take a look at the numbers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [url]http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/[/url]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, there is a link to "The Linux Counter" which posts the number
>>>>>>>> of registered users and machines. I would believe this is more
>>>>>>>> like the actual number out there. Eat your heart out Alias. Just
>>>>>>>> FYI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [url]http://counter.li.org/[/url]
>>>>>>> Problem: I know lots of folks who haven't bothered to register
>>>>>>> their Linux usage with either one.
>>>>>> OK - Add 3 to the count.
>>>>> OK, but I happen to know of 20 in the little town of Chubbuck, ID -
>>>>> extrapolate.
>>>> OK- Add 17 to the count and give yourself another 50 bonus users.
>>>> Still doesn't come near the 10 million that Alias squawks about daily.
>>> Extrapolating from the 15000 population here, would indicate at least
>>> 400000 in the U.S.[/color]
>> Sorry but using only 20 as a sample base is not sufficient for any
>> accurate (+/-3%) sample that can be accurately extrapolated.[/color]
>
> Don't recall claiming any particular accuracy - but as least as accurate
> as OP's claim.[/color]

Close enough for gov work, huh? :-)

Gordon wrote:[color=blue]
>
> "FB" <fb@scu.yu> wrote in message news:4a6e944b@news.x-privat.org...[color=green]
>> Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below
>> question on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):
>>
>> Which do you use:[/color]
>
> 90% of supermarket customers wouldn't have a CLUE as to what their OS is
> called....[/color]

So you've done the survey?
Care to share the empirical data?

On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:24:31 -0700, Frank wrote:
[color=blue]
> Gordon wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> "FB" <fb@scu.yu> wrote in message news:4a6e944b@news.x-privat.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Put a card table with a placard near the entrance with the below
>>> question on it, have a clipboard ready for their answer(s):
>>>
>>> Which do you use:[/color]
>>
>> 90% of supermarket customers wouldn't have a CLUE as to what their OS
>> is called....[/color]
>
> So you've done the survey?
> Care to share the empirical data?[/color]

Yeah - I think it's way too conservative. More like 98%.