I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop
and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do
to complete the basic protection of my system?

emf

--
It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
[url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url]

On 2009-06-30 05:46 MSDOS wrote:[color=blue]
> Welcome to this space...
> Did you install the AVG free or the paid full version ?.[/color]

The AVG free.

[color=blue]
> Why did you
> remove MCafee Security Center ??.[/color]

Because the free subscription was about to expire, and because in the
past McAffee had charged me automatically $70 for a yearly subscription.
[color=blue]
> No software can claim that it can
> offer complete protection to your system from such threats but you have
> to take some additional steps to protect yourself. Installing just an
> anti virus will not do.[/color]

But I see that AVG free is not just antivirus.
[color=blue]
> Lemme know as what you do mostly while you are
> online ?[/color]

General browsing, some videos, no games.
[color=blue]
> what type of internet connection have you got (Broadband /
> Dialup/Wireless).[/color]

Dialup / wireless.

....

"Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
news:#Wo0kGV#JHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop
> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do
> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>
> emf
>
> --
> It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
> [url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url][/color]


AVG free is a fairly good antivirus program and should suffice with your
browsing as long as you practice "safe-surfing." No antivirus program will
protect you if you do not practice safe-surfing. There are a lot of people
who also like Avast. In it's earlier versions, I had issues with updating on
two of my 5 computers and so dumped it for AVG which ran without problems.

You need to ensure that your Vista firewall is functioning. It, again will
normally be enough to protect from the hacker's attempts to infiltrate your
system. There are free firewalls available to replace the Vista one if you
decide to go that route.
I use Zone Alarm from CheckPoint software:
[url]http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-us/zonealarm-pc-security-free-firewall.htm[/url]
on all my systems as it is free and it does a good job of blocking
outsiders. The only issue I have is the occasional failure of the program
to remember approved use of the intra or internet by some of my programs.

You also need to occasionally run mal-ware checkers. I use Spybot search
and destroy, Malware bytes and Ad-aware which can all be downloaded and
installed from these sites:

[url]http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html[/url]
[url]http://www.malwarebytes.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php[/url]

There are others out there but again, be careful what you get and where you
get it from.

I heartily agree that you need to uninstall McAfee as it, as well as
Norton's programs, are resource hogs. I have always had issues with McAfee
not finding malware that even AVG found.

You forgot MalwareBytes and Spybot Search & Destory too!

--
Computer/Software Tech.

Make it a great day!

Charles Richmond




"Eustace" wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2009-06-30 05:46 MSDOS wrote:[color=green]
> > Welcome to this space...
> > Did you install the AVG free or the paid full version ?.[/color]
>
> The AVG free.
>
>[color=green]
> > Why did you
> > remove MCafee Security Center ??.[/color]
>
> Because the free subscription was about to expire, and because in the
> past McAffee had charged me automatically $70 for a yearly subscription.
>[color=green]
> > No software can claim that it can
> > offer complete protection to your system from such threats but you have
> > to take some additional steps to protect yourself. Installing just an
> > anti virus will not do.[/color]
>
> But I see that AVG free is not just antivirus.
>[color=green]
> > Lemme know as what you do mostly while you are
> > online ?[/color]
>
> General browsing, some videos, no games.
>[color=green]
> > what type of internet connection have you got (Broadband /
> > Dialup/Wireless).[/color]
>
> Dialup / wireless.
>
> ....
>[/color]

"Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
news:O7nzkTY#JHA.5704@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> On 2009-06-30 05:46 MSDOS wrote:[color=green]
>> Welcome to this space...
>> Did you install the AVG free or the paid full version ?.[/color]
>
> The AVG free.
>
>[color=green]
>> Why did you
>> remove MCafee Security Center ??.[/color]
>
> Because the free subscription was about to expire, and because in the past
> McAffee had charged me automatically $70 for a yearly subscription.
>[color=green]
>> No software can claim that it can
>> offer complete protection to your system from such threats but you have
>> to take some additional steps to protect yourself. Installing just an
>> anti virus will not do.[/color]
>
> But I see that AVG free is not just antivirus.
>[color=green]
>> Lemme know as what you do mostly while you are
>> online ?[/color]
>
> General browsing, some videos, no games.
>[color=green]
>> what type of internet connection have you got (Broadband /
>> Dialup/Wireless).[/color]
>
> Dialup / wireless.[/color]

How is that accomplished?

Harry
[color=blue]
>
> ...[/color]

For a home user :

Avast Home - turn off unused shields.
Windows Defender
SmartScreen Filter (in IE8)
Run IE8 in Protected Mode and with InPrivate Filtering as the default
(registry entry)
Prevx 3.0 Free (you can add this with AVG also)
UAC on or in Quiet Mode
Windows Firewall
Set InPrivate Filtering at AUTO or Prompt and use the converted AdBlocker
File.
Windows UpDates ON however set Advanced System Settings - Hardware Tab -
Windows Update Driver Settings - Never Check for Drivers when I connect a
Device (always go to a device makers site and manually look for updated
drivers).

Even more secure would be to use InPrivate Browsing all the time.

The security built into Vista is so integrated that many programs just get
in the way.

Use SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes as Scanners Only, nothing resident.
Though mine has never caught anything except an occasional cookie.

There are other scenarios however this one is extremely tight
"Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
news:%23Wo0kGV%23JHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop and
>installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do to
>complete the basic protection of my system?
>
> emf
>
> --
> It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
> [url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url][/color]

On 2009-06-30 12:35 webster72n wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> "Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
> news:O7nzkTY#JHA.5704@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> On 2009-06-30 05:46 MSDOS wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Welcome to this space...
>>> Did you install the AVG free or the paid full version ?.[/color]
>>
>> The AVG free.
>>
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Why did you
>>> remove MCafee Security Center ??.[/color]
>>
>> Because the free subscription was about to expire, and because in the
>> past McAffee had charged me automatically $70 for a yearly subscription.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> No software can claim that it can
>>> offer complete protection to your system from such threats but you have
>>> to take some additional steps to protect yourself. Installing just an
>>> anti virus will not do.[/color]
>>
>> But I see that AVG free is not just antivirus.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Lemme know as what you do mostly while you are
>>> online ?[/color]
>>
>> General browsing, some videos, no games.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> what type of internet connection have you got (Broadband /
>>> Dialup/Wireless).[/color]
>>
>> Dialup / wireless.[/color]
>
> How is that accomplished?
>
> Harry[/color]

Dialup at home, wireless at school, coffee shop.

emf

--
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[url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url]

On 2009-06-30 10:02 LVTravel wrote:[color=blue]
>
>
> "Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
> news:#Wo0kGV#JHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my
>> laptop and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I
>> need to do to complete the basic protection of my system?
>>
>> emf
>>[/color]
>
>
> AVG free is a fairly good antivirus program and should suffice with your
> browsing as long as you practice "safe-surfing." No antivirus program
> will protect you if you do not practice safe-surfing. There are a lot
> of people who also like Avast. In it's earlier versions, I had issues
> with updating on two of my 5 computers and so dumped it for AVG which
> ran without problems.[/color]

I use(d) AVG with my Win 98 machine. Then with my Win XP laptop I
decided to keep McAffee, though now I think I shouldn't have. I also use
Firefox which is considered safer for browsing.
[color=blue]
> You need to ensure that your Vista firewall is functioning. It, again
> will normally be enough to protect from the hacker's attempts to
> infiltrate your system.[/color]

It is functioning. In my Win 98 machine I used ZoneAlarm, but now I do
not need it; that's a plus for XP, Vista.
[color=blue]
> There are free firewalls available to replace
> the Vista one if you decide to go that route.
> I use Zone Alarm from CheckPoint software:
> [url]http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-us/zonealarm-pc-security-free-firewall.htm[/url]
> on all my systems as it is free and it does a good job of blocking
> outsiders. The only issue I have is the occasional failure of the
> program to remember approved use of the intra or internet by some of my
> programs.
>
> You also need to occasionally run mal-ware checkers. I use Spybot
> search and destroy, Malware bytes and Ad-aware which can all be
> downloaded and installed from these sites:
>
> [url]http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html[/url]
> [url]http://www.malwarebytes.org/[/url]
> [url]http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php[/url][/color]

I'll get ad-aware, as in my earlier machines, for an occasional
check-up. It rarely caught anything but cookies. Except at some point in
the beginning when something was redialing when I got disconnected. Than
I got directions and checked the machine with 2-3 different programs to
make sure it is clean.
[color=blue]
> There are others out there but again, be careful what you get and where
> you get it from.
>
> I heartily agree that you need to uninstall McAfee as it, as well as
> Norton's programs, are resource hogs. I have always had issues with
> McAfee not finding malware that even AVG found.[/color]

I should have uninstalled McAfee from my Win XP machine too. I didn't
out of inertia and maybe curiosity with that map you were getting to see
from where they were trying to infiltrate, though I opened it only a
couple of times in the beginning... And I did realized it was slowing
down the system when it was scanning.

Thanks,

emf

--
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[url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url]

"Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
news:unWrMkb#JHA.4560@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> On 2009-06-30 12:35 webster72n wrote:[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
>> news:O7nzkTY#JHA.5704@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> On 2009-06-30 05:46 MSDOS wrote:
>>>> Welcome to this space...
>>>> Did you install the AVG free or the paid full version ?.
>>>
>>> The AVG free.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why did you
>>>> remove MCafee Security Center ??.
>>>
>>> Because the free subscription was about to expire, and because in the
>>> past McAffee had charged me automatically $70 for a yearly subscription.
>>>
>>>> No software can claim that it can
>>>> offer complete protection to your system from such threats but you have
>>>> to take some additional steps to protect yourself. Installing just an
>>>> anti virus will not do.
>>>
>>> But I see that AVG free is not just antivirus.
>>>
>>>> Lemme know as what you do mostly while you are
>>>> online ?
>>>
>>> General browsing, some videos, no games.
>>>
>>>> what type of internet connection have you got (Broadband /
>>>> Dialup/Wireless).
>>>
>>> Dialup / wireless.[/color]
>>
>> How is that accomplished?
>>
>> Harry[/color]
>
> Dialup at home, wireless at school, coffee shop.[/color]

I red a combination of both into it, which I didn't think was possible.
Thank you. <H>.
[color=blue]
>
> emf
>
> --
> It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
> [url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url][/color]

Eustace wrote:[color=blue]
> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop
> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do
> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>
> emf
>[/color]



There are several essential components to computer security: a
knowledgeable and pro-active user, a properly configured firewall,
reliable and up-to-date antivirus software, disable any unnecessary
services, and the prompt repair (via patches, hotfixes, or service
packs) of any known vulnerabilities.

The most important component is also, not ironically, the weakest
link in the "equation," of course, the computer user. No software
manufacturer can -- nor should they be expected to -- protect the
computer user from him/herself. All too many people have bought into
the various PC/software manufacturers marketing claims of easy
computing. They believe that their computer should be no harder to use
than a toaster oven; they have neither the inclination or desire to
learn how to safely use their computer. All too few people keep their
antivirus software current, install patches in a timely manner, or stop
to really think about that cutesy link they're about to click.

Firewalls and anti-virus applications, which should always be used
and should always be running, are important components of "safe hex,"
but they cannot, and should not be expected to, protect the computer
user from him/herself. Ultimately, it is incumbent upon each and every
computer user to learn how to secure his/her own computer.

To learn more about practicing "safe hex," start with these links:

Protect Your PC
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/default.asp[/url]

Home Computer Security
[url]http://www.cert.org/homeusers/HomeComputerSecurity/[/url]

List of Antivirus Software Vendors
[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;49500[/url]

Home PC Firewall Guide
[url]http://www.firewallguide.com/[/url]

Scumware.com
[url]http://www.scumware.com/[/url]


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
[url]http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html[/url]

[url]http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx/kb/555375[/url]

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

On Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:09:09 -0400, Eustace wrote:
[color=blue]
> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop
> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do
> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>
> emf[/color]

I understand the mafia has a similar racket - pay for protection.

"Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
news:eqM7bub#JHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> On 2009-06-30 10:02 LVTravel wrote:[color=green]
>>
>>
>> "Eustace" <emfril******.com> wrote in message
>> news:#Wo0kGV#JHA.3544@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my laptop
>>> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need to do
>>> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>>>
>>> emf
>>>[/color]
>>
>>
>> AVG free is a fairly good antivirus program and should suffice with your
>> browsing as long as you practice "safe-surfing." No antivirus program
>> will protect you if you do not practice safe-surfing. There are a lot of
>> people who also like Avast. In it's earlier versions, I had issues with
>> updating on two of my 5 computers and so dumped it for AVG which ran
>> without problems.[/color]
>
> I use(d) AVG with my Win 98 machine. Then with my Win XP laptop I decided
> to keep McAffee, though now I think I shouldn't have. I also use Firefox
> which is considered safer for browsing.
>[color=green]
>> You need to ensure that your Vista firewall is functioning. It, again
>> will normally be enough to protect from the hacker's attempts to
>> infiltrate your system.[/color]
>
> It is functioning. In my Win 98 machine I used ZoneAlarm, but now I do not
> need it; that's a plus for XP, Vista.
>[color=green]
>> There are free firewalls available to replace the Vista one if you decide
>> to go that route.
>> I use Zone Alarm from CheckPoint software:
>> [url]http://www.zonealarm.com/security/en-us/zonealarm-pc-security-free-firewall.htm[/url]
>> on all my systems as it is free and it does a good job of blocking
>> outsiders. The only issue I have is the occasional failure of the
>> program to remember approved use of the intra or internet by some of my
>> programs.
>>
>> You also need to occasionally run mal-ware checkers. I use Spybot search
>> and destroy, Malware bytes and Ad-aware which can all be downloaded and
>> installed from these sites:
>>
>> [url]http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html[/url]
>> [url]http://www.malwarebytes.org/[/url]
>> [url]http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php[/url][/color]
>
> I'll get ad-aware, as in my earlier machines, for an occasional check-up.
> It rarely caught anything but cookies. Except at some point in the
> beginning when something was redialing when I got disconnected. Than I got
> directions and checked the machine with 2-3 different programs to make
> sure it is clean.
>[color=green]
>> There are others out there but again, be careful what you get and where
>> you get it from.
>>
>> I heartily agree that you need to uninstall McAfee as it, as well as
>> Norton's programs, are resource hogs. I have always had issues with
>> McAfee not finding malware that even AVG found.[/color]
>
> I should have uninstalled McAfee from my Win XP machine too. I didn't out
> of inertia and maybe curiosity with that map you were getting to see from
> where they were trying to infiltrate, though I opened it only a couple of
> times in the beginning... And I did realized it was slowing down the
> system when it was scanning.
>
> Thanks,
>
> emf
>
> --
> It ain't THAT, babe! - A radical reinterpretation
> [url]http://www.geocities.com/itaintme_babe/itaintme.html[/url][/color]

Good, but, make sure you run more than one malware checker because one does
not always find everything that may have gotten onto a system. That is why
I gave you the three web sites.

Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=blue]
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h2f4f0$q8d$2@news.eternal-september.org...[color=green]
>> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eustace wrote:
>>>>> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my
>>>>> laptop
>>>>> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need
>>>>> to do
>>>>> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>>>>>
>>>>> emf
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, format your hard drive to get rid of Windows and move up to a real
>>>> operating system that doesn't require anti virus or anti malware
>>>> programs. I recommend Ubuntu as it is really user friendly. Get it FREE
>>>> at [url]http://www.ubuntu.com/[/url]. Not only is it free, it comes with access to
>>>> thousands of free programs like Firefox, Open Office, Thunderbird and
>>>> much, much more.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ububutu isn't Free.[/color]
>>
>> Yes it is.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> You charge for it.[/color]
>>
>> No, I don't. I charge for *installing* it.
>>[/color]
>
> They pay you to stick the CD in the tray?[/color]

And setting up the /, /home and /swap along with installing the programs
they want and teaching them how to use Ubuntu.
[color=blue]
> I have a hard time believing that.[/color]

Considering YOU made it up ...
[color=blue]
> Do they know that's all you do?[/color]

Considering that's not all that I do ...[color=blue]
>
> Still, they are paying for ububutu, not your worthless time.[/color]

No, they are paying me to install Ubuntu for them, just like someone who
would pay to have Windows installed.
[color=blue]
>
> If you have the names/addresses of any of those nitwits, I'll buy them
> from you.
> I can get hold of stuff that gets sucked out of septic tanks, I'm sure
> they would buy some.[/color]

You're too busy spewing it here.

Alias

You are piling up too many things to digest at a single sitting... Let's
see a few:

On 2009-06-30 13:32 Spirit wrote:[color=blue]
> For a home user :
>
> Avast Home - turn off unused shields.
> Windows Defender[/color]

It's working
[color=blue]
> SmartScreen Filter (in IE8)
> Run IE8 in Protected Mode and with InPrivate Filtering as the default
> (registry entry)[/color]

I use Firefox.
[color=blue]
> Prevx 3.0 Free (you can add this with AVG also)
> UAC on or in Quiet Mode[/color]

I am having a problem with UAC since each time I click on FreshDownload
it wants me to approve it, and cannot tell it to remember my decision. I
hope the guys at FreshDevices will fix the problem. But what is Quiet Mode?
[color=blue]
> Windows Firewall[/color]

On. OK.
[color=blue]
> Set InPrivate Filtering at AUTO or Prompt and use the converted AdBlocker
> File.
> Windows UpDates ON however set Advanced System Settings - Hardware Tab -
> Windows Update Driver Settings - Never Check for Drivers when I connect a
> Device (always go to a device makers site and manually look for updated
> drivers).[/color]

Please provide info about setting settings for Drivers
[color=blue]
> Even more secure would be to use InPrivate Browsing all the time.
>
> The security built into Vista is so integrated that many programs just get
> in the way.
>
> Use SuperAntiSpyware and MalwareBytes as Scanners Only, nothing resident.
> Though mine has never caught anything except an occasional cookie.[/color]

I use similar similarly with similar results.

Thanks,

emf

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On 2009-07-02 04:34 Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=green]
>> "Alias" <iamaliasTAKETHIS@OUTgmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:h2f4f0$q8d$2@news.eternal-september.org...[color=darkred]
>>> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eustace wrote:
>>>>>> I just uninstalled the McAffee Security Center that came with my
>>>>>> laptop
>>>>>> and installed AVG antivirus instead. Is there anything else I need
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> to complete the basic protection of my system?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> emf
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, format your hard drive to get rid of Windows and move up to a
>>>>> real
>>>>> operating system that doesn't require anti virus or anti malware
>>>>> programs. I recommend Ubuntu as it is really user friendly. Get it
>>>>> FREE
>>>>> at [url]http://www.ubuntu.com/[/url]. Not only is it free, it comes with
>>>>> access to
>>>>> thousands of free programs like Firefox, Open Office, Thunderbird and
>>>>> much, much more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ububutu isn't Free.
>>>
>>> Yes it is.
>>>
>>>> You charge for it.
>>>
>>> No, I don't. I charge for *installing* it.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> They pay you to stick the CD in the tray?[/color]
>
> And setting up the /, /home and /swap along with installing the programs
> they want and teaching them how to use Ubuntu.
>[color=green]
>> I have a hard time believing that.[/color]
>
> Considering YOU made it up ...
>[color=green]
>> Do they know that's all you do?[/color]
>
> Considering that's not all that I do ...[color=green]
>>
>> Still, they are paying for ububutu, not your worthless time.[/color]
>
> No, they are paying me to install Ubuntu for them, just like someone who
> would pay to have Windows installed.
>[color=green]
>>
>> If you have the names/addresses of any of those nitwits, I'll buy them
>> from you.
>> I can get hold of stuff that gets sucked out of septic tanks, I'm sure
>> they would buy some.[/color]
>
> You're too busy spewing it here.
>
> Alias[/color]

In my newsreader only the last message appears, one level down from my
original message. I am wondering what else I've been missing...

Anyway, when I was using my Win 98 machine I was thinking of trying
Linux with my next computer when I would have more hard drive space.

When, however, got my XP machine, I found it much more satisfactory, and
have been hesitating ever since to get involved with something that
would require me to spend extra time learning a new system when doing so
does not seem imperative. There are always new things to learn
concerning computers, languages and staff (html, css, javascript, new
programs...). Now first I still have to transfer to Java several (for
personal use) programs I have written in Qbasic starting from the early
90s which I still occasionally use and which now I cannot run in
Vista... And it would be a good idea to go through a book about OOo, to
which I finally switched from WP a couple of years ago. So trying Linux
will have to wait for some time in the indefinite future, or until for
some reason it appears necessary.

emf

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