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| Final Questions before upgrading to Vista 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista Home Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask for the XP DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ? 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of Vista in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP Academic ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the net ? As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft to register your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ? 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home OEM version that is on it. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "will_s" wrote [color=blue] > 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista Home > Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask for the > XP DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ?[/color] I think you mean you have XP SP2. Is it Pro or Home? Also XP comes on a CD, not a DVD. It's Vista that comes on a DVD. No, you are incorrect. This has been changed from the process to upgrade to XP. To use a Vista upgrade edition, XP must be installed, activated and genuine. The upgrade is started from the XP desktop. If you have XP Home then from the XP desktop you can do either an in place upgrade or a custom install. If you have XP Pro you can only do a custom install, but still started from the XP Pro desktop. [color=blue] > 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of > Vista in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP > Academic ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users[/color] Sorry I don't know about this edition [color=blue] > 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the net > ? As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft to > register your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ?[/color] You can install Vista as many times as you want. Depending on how frequently you do this, it may at some point require a phone call to activate. [color=blue] > 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it > possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? > Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home OEM > version that is on it.[/color] Yes, but as I said above, the OS has to be installed, activated and genuine, and at the SP2 level if you want to do an in place upgrade. I don't think we have definitive evidence whether it needs to be at the SP2 level to do a custom install. The license for the OS used as the basis for the upgrade is subsumed into the Vista license so that copy of XP can't be installed anywhere else while Vista is installed. -- Rock [MVP - User/Shell] |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista 1. No. Vista upgrade editions only check for installed copies of Windows. No more shiny media check. 3. There is no limit on the number of times you can reinstall on the same machine. You may be required to use phone activation if you reactivate an excessive number of times in a short period. I assume you mean activation because regisration is irrelevant. 4. XP Home must be installed and activated in order to be used for the upgrade to Vista. If XP Pro is now on the computer and is a retail copy and you want to save it for transfer to another computer and use XP Home for the upgrade, you will need to do a clean install XP Home on the computer before using it for the upgrade to Vista. "will_s" <willsjunkremove@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:8041B8D9-2B68-4E39-940D-BDF8B7595075@microsoft.com...[color=blue] > 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista Home > Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask for the > XP DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ? > > > 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of > Vista in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP > Academic ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users > > 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the net > ? As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft to > register your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ? > > > 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it > possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? > Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home OEM > version that is on it.[/color] |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "Rock" <rock@nospam.net> wrote in message news:eVwjEqFPHHA.3268@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > "will_s" wrote >[color=green] >> 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista Home >> Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask for the >> XP DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ?[/color] > > I think you mean you have XP SP2. Is it Pro or Home? Also XP comes on a > CD, not a DVD. It's Vista that comes on a DVD.[/color] I have SP2 Pro . This site [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade.asp[/url] states that from SP2 Pro I cant go to Home Premium as an upgrade option ? This sounds stupid and doesnt make sense [color=blue] > > No, you are incorrect. This has been changed from the process to upgrade > to XP. To use a Vista upgrade edition, XP must be installed, activated > and genuine. The upgrade is started from the XP desktop. If you have XP > Home then from the XP desktop you can do either an in place upgrade or a > custom install. If you have XP Pro you can only do a custom install, but > still started from the XP Pro desktop.[/color] So you are saying that if I have a hard drive crash I would have to install XP 1st, then install Vista after that ? Now if both of the above are true then it may be a good reason to say away from Vista :-) [color=blue] >[color=green] >> 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of >> Vista in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP >> Academic ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users[/color] > > Sorry I don't know about this edition >[color=green] >> 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the >> net ? As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft to >> register your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ?[/color] > > You can install Vista as many times as you want. Depending on how > frequently you do this, it may at some point require a phone call to > activate.[/color] There is just so much confusion with different stories out on the web [color=blue] >[color=green] >> 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it >> possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? >> Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home >> OEM version that is on it.[/color] > > Yes, but as I said above, the OS has to be installed, activated and > genuine, and at the SP2 level if you want to do an in place upgrade. I > don't think we have definitive evidence whether it needs to be at the SP2 > level to do a custom install. The license for the OS used as the basis > for the upgrade is subsumed into the Vista license so that copy of XP > can't be installed anywhere else while Vista is installed.[/color] Ok, so if I put XP OEM Home Edition back on this computer ( and this computer is the one that came with the OEM XP ) I can then do an upgrade to XP Vista Premium Edition at the end of this month. That way I will have XP Pro SP2 that I can use. Hopefully these statements are correct. btw: thanks for your help Will |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista Inline[color=blue] > > I have SP2 Pro . This site > [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade.asp[/url] > states that from SP2 Pro I cant go to Home Premium as an upgrade option ? > This sounds stupid and doesnt make sense >[/color] XP Pro has functionalities that XP MCE does not. Vista Home Premium is functionaly equivalent to XP MCE so going from XP Pro to Vista Home Premium is a "downgrade" meaning that there would be a loss of functionality. There are a lot of elements that Setup just would not be able to sort out. If an XP Pro machine is a member of a domain, what is Setup to do with the user profile since VHP can't join a domain? And so on. [color=blue] > > So you are saying that if I have a hard drive crash I would have to > install XP 1st, then install Vista after that ? >[/color] Either that or buy a full edition. Otherwise, consider using an image backup made right after you have Vista set up the first time and restore back to that if needed. [color=blue] > > > Ok, so if I put XP OEM Home Edition back on this computer ( and this > computer is the one that came with the OEM XP ) I can then do an upgrade > to XP Vista Premium Edition at the end of this month. That way I will > have XP Pro SP2 that I can use. Hopefully these statements are correct. >[/color] As long as the XP Pro is a retail edition, yes. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message news:15CB01A1-77C6-4AA5-A44D-66D78CB11C10@microsoft.com...[color=blue] > Inline[color=green] > > >> I have SP2 Pro . This site >> [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade.asp[/url] >> states that from SP2 Pro I cant go to Home Premium as an upgrade option ? >> This sounds stupid and doesnt make sense >>[/color] > XP Pro has functionalities that XP MCE does not. Vista Home Premium is > functionaly equivalent to XP MCE so going from XP Pro to Vista Home > Premium is a "downgrade" meaning that there would be a loss of > functionality. There are a lot of elements that Setup just would not be > able to sort out. If an XP Pro machine is a member of a domain, what is > Setup to do with the user profile since VHP can't join a domain? And so > on.[/color] Yet if they let you use the CD as verification then this problem wouldnt happen.[color=blue] >[color=green] >> >> So you are saying that if I have a hard drive crash I would have to >> install XP 1st, then install Vista after that ? >>[/color] > Either that or buy a full edition. Otherwise, consider using an image > backup made right after you have Vista set up the first time and restore > back to that if needed. >[color=green] >> >> >> Ok, so if I put XP OEM Home Edition back on this computer ( and this >> computer is the one that came with the OEM XP ) I can then do an upgrade >> to XP Vista Premium Edition at the end of this month. That way I will >> have XP Pro SP2 that I can use. Hopefully these statements are correct. >>[/color] > As long as the XP Pro is a retail edition, yes.[/color] So much conflicting information out there. This one from a site that is suppose to be pretty good [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_03.asp[/url] "Clean install. With this method, you boot the PC from the Windows Vista install DVD, run interactive Setup, format the PC's hard drive, and install Windows Vista as the only OS. This is probably the rarest way to get Vista on a PC. You can use a "Full" or "Upgrade" retail version of Windows Vista to perform a clean install, though you will need "qualifying media"--typically a Windows XP or 2000 CD that proves you qualify for the Upgrade version." Now I am not a computer novice but this is confusing. I can see a lot of cranky people out there when Vista comes out. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista In article <8041B8D9-2B68-4E39-940D-BDF8B7595075@microsoft.com>, will_s says...[color=blue] > 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista Home > Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask for the XP > DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ? > > > 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of Vista > in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP Academic > ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users > > 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the net ? > As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft to register > your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ? > > > 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it > possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? > Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home OEM > version that is on it. >[/color] 1) With the Upgrade versions, the previous OS must be installed and activated. 2) Available to anyone who is a student or anyone with kids at school. 3) As many times as you want on the same PC. 4) If you've installed XP Home and activated it first, yes. -- Conor If you're not on somebody's **** list, you're not doing anything worthwhile. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista > Yet if they let you use the CD as verification then this problem wouldnt[color=blue] > happen.[color=green] >>[/color][/color] What has the cd to do with it? It is not a matter of not being able to downgrade because of some authentication issue. All a shiny media check did in XP was verify that certain key files were present on the media. Setup didn't run anything on the cd, it just took a look to see if the files that define Windows were present. It is because the bits won't work. They just won't. Think back to when XP came out. You could not upgrade from Windows 2000 Pro to XP Home. If you had Windows 2000 Pro you could only upgrade to XP Pro. It wasn't some stupid decision by the marketing dept. It was the fact that MS cannot guarantee that an upgrade would even work right since Windows 2000 Pro has software in it for use on networks and other business uses that XP Home doesn't. The same going from XP Pro to VHP. The lack of some functionality in VHP that XP Pro supports means that the editions simply cannot mesh. Therefore you have to do a custom install of VHP. You can use an upgrade edition to do it but you can't use the upgrade functionality. Only custom. "will[color=blue] > So much conflicting information out there. This one from a site that is > suppose to be pretty good > > [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_03.asp[/url] > > "Clean install. With this method, you boot the PC from the Windows Vista > install DVD, run interactive Setup, format the PC's hard drive, and > install Windows Vista as the only OS. This is probably the rarest way to > get Vista on a PC. You can use a "Full" or "Upgrade" retail version of > Windows Vista to perform a clean install, though you will need "qualifying > media"--typically a Windows XP or 2000 CD that proves you qualify for the > Upgrade version." > > Now I am not a computer novice but this is confusing. I can see a lot of > cranky people out there when Vista comes out. >[/color] This info is wrong. If you are using a 32bit upgrade edition you must run it from the legacy desktop. You cannot format the system partition of a running OS so any edition of Vista that requires launching from the legacy desktop would not permit you to format the system drive and that would be the one you are upgrading or you are not doing an upgrade in the first place. Only the 64bit upgrade editions permit you to run upgrade or custom installs without running from the legacy desktops. Also, Paul is not using "clean install" the way MS uses the term but is using it the way most users do, and that is that a reformat is involved. When you see "clean" on the Vista Get Ready page and elsewhere it does NOT mean that a reformat is part of the process. It might be but it often cannot be. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "will_s" wrote Responses inline: [color=blue] > "Rock" wrote[/color] [color=blue][color=green] >> "will_s" wrote >>[color=darkred] >>> 1/ I have Vista SP2 and will do a format and clean install of Vista >>> Home Premium Upgrade Edition. Now I am pretty sure that Vista will ask >>> for the XP DVD to verify the upgrade and not make you install XP 1st ?[/color] >> >> I think you mean you have XP SP2. Is it Pro or Home? Also XP comes on a >> CD, not a DVD. It's Vista that comes on a DVD.[/color][/color] [color=blue] > I have SP2 Pro . This site > [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_upgrade.asp[/url] > states that from SP2 Pro I cant go to Home Premium as an upgrade option ? > This sounds stupid and doesnt make sense[/color] That is correct. Just as with upgrades to XP: not all OS's which qualified for purchasing an upgrade edition could be upgraded to XP - some needed a clean install. You couldn't upgrade Windows 2000 to XP Home. Also owning windows 95 qualified you to use the upgrade edition, but you couldn't upgrade 95 to any flavor of XP, it had to be an clean install. This was a technology issue, same as with certain upgrade paths from XP to Vista. Depending on the version of XP you have and what version of Vista you want to go to, the in place upgrade might not be possible. [color=blue][color=green] >> No, you are incorrect. This has been changed from the process to upgrade >> to XP. To use a Vista upgrade edition, XP must be installed, activated >> and genuine. The upgrade is started from the XP desktop. If you have XP >> Home then from the XP desktop you can do either an in place upgrade or a >> custom install. If you have XP Pro you can only do a custom install, but >> still started from the XP Pro desktop.[/color] > > So you are saying that if I have a hard drive crash I would have to > install XP 1st, then install Vista after that ?[/color] Yes if you want to use the upgrade edition. Another option is to create an image of the drive after Vista was first installed, or at any time along the way, and restore that image after a crash. I think imaging software is essential and some versions of Vista come with Complete PC Backup which is imaging. Acronis True Image 10 works fine in Vista. Your other option is to buy a full version, which can do either an in place upgrade (XP must be installed) or a custom installation where an the XP OS doesn't need to be installed [color=blue] > Now if both of the above are true then it may be a good reason to say away > from Vista :-)[/color] Your choice but I don't think you're using good logic or common sense here. [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred] >>> 2/ I see advertised in Australia ia an Acdemic Home Premium Version of >>> Vista in a Computer Mag for quite a bit cheaper. Is this similar to XP >>> Academic ie. pretty much available to anyone but business users[/color] >> >> Sorry I don't know about this edition >>[color=darkred] >>> 3/ How many times can you install Vista and get it registered over the >>> net ? As I like playing around with my computer can you ring Microsoft >>> to register your copy again after you pass the limit of installations ?[/color] >> >> You can install Vista as many times as you want. Depending on how >> frequently you do this, it may at some point require a phone call to >> activate.[/color] > > There is just so much confusion with different stories out on the web >[color=green] >>[color=darkred] >>> 4/ I have WinXP OEM Home Edition disc ( also have Pro version ) . Is it >>> possible to upgrade the OEM version to Vista Home Edition Premium ? >>> Basically I want to keep XP Pro on a different machine instead of Home >>> OEM version that is on it.[/color] >> >> Yes, but as I said above, the OS has to be installed, activated and >> genuine, and at the SP2 level if you want to do an in place upgrade. I >> don't think we have definitive evidence whether it needs to be at the SP2 >> level to do a custom install. The license for the OS used as the basis >> for the upgrade is subsumed into the Vista license so that copy of XP >> can't be installed anywhere else while Vista is installed.[/color] > > Ok, so if I put XP OEM Home Edition back on this computer ( and this > computer is the one that came with the OEM XP ) I can then do an upgrade > to XP Vista Premium Edition at the end of this month. That way I will > have XP Pro SP2 that I can use. Hopefully these statements are correct.[/color] Yes. The installation has to be activated and genuine, and for an in place upgrade it has to be at the SP2 level. [color=blue] > btw: thanks for your help[/color] You're welcome. -- Rock [MVP - User/Shell] |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message news:ubVUj0LPHHA.4992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue][color=green] >> Yet if they let you use the CD as verification then this problem wouldnt >> happen.[color=darkred] >>>[/color][/color] > What has the cd to do with it? It is not a matter of not being able to > downgrade because of some authentication issue. All a shiny media check > did in XP was verify that certain key files were present on the media. > Setup didn't run anything on the cd, it just took a look to see if the > files that define Windows were present. > > It is because the bits won't work. They just won't. Think back to when > XP came out. You could not upgrade from Windows 2000 Pro to XP Home. If > you had Windows 2000 Pro you could only upgrade to XP Pro. It wasn't some > stupid decision by the marketing dept. It was the fact that MS cannot > guarantee that an upgrade would even work right since Windows 2000 Pro has > software in it for use on networks and other business uses that XP Home > doesn't. > > The same going from XP Pro to VHP. The lack of some functionality in VHP > that XP Pro supports means that the editions simply cannot mesh. > Therefore you have to do a custom install of VHP. You can use an upgrade > edition to do it but you can't use the upgrade functionality. Only > custom. > > "will[color=green] >> So much conflicting information out there. This one from a site that is >> suppose to be pretty good >> >> [url]http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/winvista_03.asp[/url] >> >> "Clean install. With this method, you boot the PC from the Windows Vista >> install DVD, run interactive Setup, format the PC's hard drive, and >> install Windows Vista as the only OS. This is probably the rarest way to >> get Vista on a PC. You can use a "Full" or "Upgrade" retail version of >> Windows Vista to perform a clean install, though you will need >> "qualifying media"--typically a Windows XP or 2000 CD that proves you >> qualify for the Upgrade version." >> >> Now I am not a computer novice but this is confusing. I can see a lot of >> cranky people out there when Vista comes out. >>[/color] > This info is wrong. If you are using a 32bit upgrade edition you must run > it from the legacy desktop. You cannot format the system partition of a > running OS so any edition of Vista that requires launching from the legacy > desktop would not permit you to format the system drive and that would be > the one you are upgrading or you are not doing an upgrade in the first > place. > > Only the 64bit upgrade editions permit you to run upgrade or custom > installs without running from the legacy desktops. > > Also, Paul is not using "clean install" the way MS uses the term but is > using it the way most users do, and that is that a reformat is involved. > When you see "clean" on the Vista Get Ready page and elsewhere it does NOT > mean that a reformat is part of the process. It might be but it often > cannot be.[/color] [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url] According to this chart you can upgrade to either of the Home versions from XP Pro. |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista Yes, you can, but you have to do a clean (custom) install. -- Jane, not plain ;) 64 bit enabled :-) Batteries not included. Braincell on vacation ;-) "will_s" <willsjunkremove@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:4FCC86C2-380A-4137-8712-7CF62B9FF4B3@microsoft.com...[color=blue] >[/color] [color=blue] > > [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url] > > > According to this chart you can upgrade to either of the Home versions > from XP Pro. > > >[/color] |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista The Upgrade Matrix shows you that Windows 2000, XP, and XP Pro x64 all qualify for upgrade pricing to Vista. The green dots are the scenarios in which you can perform either a custom or upgrade install. The yellow dots are the scenarios in which you can only do a custom install. The intersections of both Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium with XP Pro are yellow. Therefore you cannot do an upgrade-in-place from XP Pro to any Home edition. Please don't confuse 'qualifying to use an upgrade edition' with 'performing an upgrade' (as in upgrade the bits). [color=blue] > > [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url] > > > According to this chart you can upgrade to either of the Home versions > from XP Pro. > > >[/color] |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message news:OiNRoSfPHHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > The Upgrade Matrix shows you that Windows 2000, XP, and XP Pro x64 all > qualify for upgrade pricing to Vista. > > The green dots are the scenarios in which you can perform either a custom > or upgrade install. > > The yellow dots are the scenarios in which you can only do a custom > install. > > The intersections of both Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium with XP > Pro are yellow. Therefore you cannot do an upgrade-in-place from XP Pro > to any Home edition. > > Please don't confuse 'qualifying to use an upgrade edition' with > 'performing an upgrade' (as in upgrade the bits). >[color=green] >> >> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url] >> >> >> According to this chart you can upgrade to either of the Home versions >> from XP Pro. >> >> >>[/color] >[/color] so what is a custom install ? |
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| Re: Final Questions before upgrading to Vista Removal of files to windows.old, laying down the Windows image file, registration of components and installation of drivers, etc. Old files, settings, and apps are not retained. "will_s" <willsjunkremove@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message news:9DD9A053-40A5-4A06-91A5-50F882AA28F8@microsoft.com...[color=blue] > > "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message > news:OiNRoSfPHHA.2340@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green] >> The Upgrade Matrix shows you that Windows 2000, XP, and XP Pro x64 all >> qualify for upgrade pricing to Vista. >> >> The green dots are the scenarios in which you can perform either a custom >> or upgrade install. >> >> The yellow dots are the scenarios in which you can only do a custom >> install. >> >> The intersections of both Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium with XP >> Pro are yellow. Therefore you cannot do an upgrade-in-place from XP Pro >> to any Home edition. >> >> Please don't confuse 'qualifying to use an upgrade edition' with >> 'performing an upgrade' (as in upgrade the bits). >>[color=darkred] >>> >>> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url] >>> >>> >>> According to this chart you can upgrade to either of the Home versions >>> from XP Pro. >>> >>> >>>[/color] >>[/color] > > so what is a custom install ?[/color] |
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