sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard drive...seems to
work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is black
for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything I
could adjust?

Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive using
the full version and leave XP installed?
--
always learning

"Iplant" wrote

> sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard drive...seems
> to
> work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> black
> for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything I
> could adjust?
>
> Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> using
> the full version and leave XP installed?


I have seen this effect on one system with XP, with the external WD drive
attached at boot up there is a 30 second delay before it boots. It's a BIOS
issue.

No, Vista can't run from an external hard drive.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

But I could get the full version and install it to the partition I have the
Beta on; is this right? I refuse to buy another card to watch TV...one a
year is my limit and I have been told my AIW 2006 is trashy just get a TV
tuner. It's the principal!
--
always learning


"Rock" wrote:

> "Iplant" wrote
>
> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard drive...seems
> > to
> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> > black
> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything I
> > could adjust?
> >
> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> > using
> > the full version and leave XP installed?
>
>
> I have seen this effect on one system with XP, with the external WD drive
> attached at boot up there is a 30 second delay before it boots. It's a BIOS
> issue.
>
> No, Vista can't run from an external hard drive.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>

"Iplant" wrote

> But I could get the full version and install it to the partition I have
> the
> Beta on; is this right? I refuse to buy another card to watch TV...one a
> year is my limit and I have been told my AIW 2006 is trashy just get a TV
> tuner. It's the principal!

> "Rock" wrote:
>
>> "Iplant" wrote
>>
>> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
>> > drive...seems
>> > to
>> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
>> > black
>> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
>> > I
>> > could adjust?
>> >
>> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
>> > using
>> > the full version and leave XP installed?
>>
>>
>> I have seen this effect on one system with XP, with the external WD drive
>> attached at boot up there is a 30 second delay before it boots. It's a
>> BIOS
>> issue.
>>
>> No, Vista can't run from an external hard drive.

I'm not sure I understand for sure what you are asking since you never
mentioned anything about a TV card in your first post. Yes you can use a
full version of Vista to install to an internal hard drive even if a
partition on it had a Beta release of Vista. You just can't install to /
run Vista on an external, USB drive.

--
Rock [MVP - User/Shell]

An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus, in
order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the beta
this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with scsi
drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.

"Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
> sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard drive...seems
> to
> work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> black
> for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything I
> could adjust?
>
> Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> using
> the full version and leave XP installed?
> --
> always learning

Sorry Rock, I didn't mean to get off subject. But that's the only reason I
would need to keep XP; because of the AIW card. I have been using Vista
since June and really like the OS so of course I plan to purchase it.
However the TV portion of Media Center does not work due to ATI drivers and I
am a bullhead and refuse to get another graphic/TV card...it's the principal
I guess although I suppose I'll have to give in and just get a USB tuner
card...eventually
--
always learning


"Rock" wrote:

> "Iplant" wrote
>
> > But I could get the full version and install it to the partition I have
> > the
> > Beta on; is this right? I refuse to buy another card to watch TV...one a
> > year is my limit and I have been told my AIW 2006 is trashy just get a TV
> > tuner. It's the principal!
>
> > "Rock" wrote:
> >
> >> "Iplant" wrote
> >>
> >> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
> >> > drive...seems
> >> > to
> >> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> >> > black
> >> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
> >> > I
> >> > could adjust?
> >> >
> >> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> >> > using
> >> > the full version and leave XP installed?
> >>
> >>
> >> I have seen this effect on one system with XP, with the external WD drive
> >> attached at boot up there is a 30 second delay before it boots. It's a
> >> BIOS
> >> issue.
> >>
> >> No, Vista can't run from an external hard drive.
>
> I'm not sure I understand for sure what you are asking since you never
> mentioned anything about a TV card in your first post. Yes you can use a
> full version of Vista to install to an internal hard drive even if a
> partition on it had a Beta release of Vista. You just can't install to /
> run Vista on an external, USB drive.
>
> --
> Rock [MVP - User/Shell]
>
>

Thanks Colin...I'll save that for future reference...no PCI slots...only AGP.
I do have two hard drives in this PC one 80 and one 250. I'll just continue
to use the external drive for web building, backups and music.

Now another question...I have XP and Vista on the 250 partitioned drive (C
and E) The smaller drive is just for backup(D). When I get the full version
of Vista should I install it on D and kill the 5744 version from E or just
re-install XP on D and format C/E so that it will become all Vita? In other
words...who goes first onto the larger drive?

---always learning


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus, in
> order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
> ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the beta
> this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
> connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with scsi
> drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.
>
> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard drive...seems
> > to
> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> > black
> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything I
> > could adjust?
> >
> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> > using
> > the full version and leave XP installed?
> > --
> > always learning
>
>

Vista requires much more room than XP. Not only for the OS but for shadow
copy files and such. I have a 750GB C: drive for Vista x64 and not an
unusual number of programs at all. Disk space usage went to 160GB within a
week and has stayed there since (two months). 110GB is allocated just to
the file system stuff like restore points, shadow copies, and the MFT. 15%
of your diskspace will be used by the OS almost from day one. Obvioulsy, if
you have a 100GB drive, only 15GB will be used by the OS for shadow copies
and such, but with Vista more is better so I would use the larger drive.

If you are starting fresh always install the older operating system first.
In this case it is because Vista knows all about XP and how to set up the
dual boot configuration. XP never heard of Vista and has no idea about
Vista's boot configuration store and would simply overwrite it. So you want
XP on the system first.

"Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A545A40C-C7AB-4D82-AFCD-43D89908DC6C@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Colin...I'll save that for future reference...no PCI slots...only
> AGP.
> I do have two hard drives in this PC one 80 and one 250. I'll just
> continue
> to use the external drive for web building, backups and music.
>
> Now another question...I have XP and Vista on the 250 partitioned drive (C
> and E) The smaller drive is just for backup(D). When I get the full
> version
> of Vista should I install it on D and kill the 5744 version from E or just
> re-install XP on D and format C/E so that it will become all Vita? In
> other
> words...who goes first onto the larger drive?
>
> ---always learning
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus,
>> in
>> order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
>> ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the
>> beta
>> this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
>> connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with
>> scsi
>> drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.
>>
>> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
>> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
>> > drive...seems
>> > to
>> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
>> > black
>> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
>> > I
>> > could adjust?
>> >
>> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
>> > using
>> > the full version and leave XP installed?
>> > --
>> > always learning
>>
>>

PCI slots do not define the PCI bus. You have a PCI bus, trust me.

"Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:A545A40C-C7AB-4D82-AFCD-43D89908DC6C@microsoft.com...
> Thanks Colin...I'll save that for future reference...no PCI slots...only
> AGP.
> I do have two hard drives in this PC one 80 and one 250. I'll just
> continue
> to use the external drive for web building, backups and music.
>
> Now another question...I have XP and Vista on the 250 partitioned drive (C
> and E) The smaller drive is just for backup(D). When I get the full
> version
> of Vista should I install it on D and kill the 5744 version from E or just
> re-install XP on D and format C/E so that it will become all Vita? In
> other
> words...who goes first onto the larger drive?
>
> ---always learning
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
>> An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus,
>> in
>> order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
>> ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the
>> beta
>> this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
>> connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with
>> scsi
>> drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.
>>
>> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
>> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
>> > drive...seems
>> > to
>> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
>> > black
>> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
>> > I
>> > could adjust?
>> >
>> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
>> > using
>> > the full version and leave XP installed?
>> > --
>> > always learning
>>
>>

Thanks Colin...I always learn so much from you...I believe that I need to get
out the book and learn something new today...hardware! It's amazing what you
can learn from a book or on the internet!
--
always learning


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> PCI slots do not define the PCI bus. You have a PCI bus, trust me.
>
> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A545A40C-C7AB-4D82-AFCD-43D89908DC6C@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Colin...I'll save that for future reference...no PCI slots...only
> > AGP.
> > I do have two hard drives in this PC one 80 and one 250. I'll just
> > continue
> > to use the external drive for web building, backups and music.
> >
> > Now another question...I have XP and Vista on the 250 partitioned drive (C
> > and E) The smaller drive is just for backup(D). When I get the full
> > version
> > of Vista should I install it on D and kill the 5744 version from E or just
> > re-install XP on D and format C/E so that it will become all Vita? In
> > other
> > words...who goes first onto the larger drive?
> >
> > ---always learning
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> >
> >> An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus,
> >> in
> >> order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
> >> ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the
> >> beta
> >> this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
> >> connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with
> >> scsi
> >> drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.
> >>
> >> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
> >> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
> >> > drive...seems
> >> > to
> >> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> >> > black
> >> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
> >> > I
> >> > could adjust?
> >> >
> >> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> >> > using
> >> > the full version and leave XP installed?
> >> > --
> >> > always learning
> >>
> >>
>
>

Hey Colin...I now know the difference between a PCI card, a PCI slot and the
PCI Bus. I found a great site about How Stuff Works. SInce I am basically
self taught, there are things I never knew about the inside of a PC. I love
it when I become enlightened...Thanks Again!
--
always learning


"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

> PCI slots do not define the PCI bus. You have a PCI bus, trust me.
>
> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:A545A40C-C7AB-4D82-AFCD-43D89908DC6C@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks Colin...I'll save that for future reference...no PCI slots...only
> > AGP.
> > I do have two hard drives in this PC one 80 and one 250. I'll just
> > continue
> > to use the external drive for web building, backups and music.
> >
> > Now another question...I have XP and Vista on the 250 partitioned drive (C
> > and E) The smaller drive is just for backup(D). When I get the full
> > version
> > of Vista should I install it on D and kill the 5744 version from E or just
> > re-install XP on D and format C/E so that it will become all Vita? In
> > other
> > words...who goes first onto the larger drive?
> >
> > ---always learning
> >
> >
> > "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
> >
> >> An external hard drive needs to connect to the PCI bus, not the USB bus,
> >> in
> >> order to boot a Windows OS. I use external SATA drives connected to SATA
> >> ports on the back of my test computer. I booted Vista all through the
> >> beta
> >> this way because the arrangement is equivalent to having additional SATA
> >> connectors on the mobo. I beleive that the same arrangement works with
> >> scsi
> >> drives as well. USB drive enclosures cannot be used in the same way.
> >>
> >> "Iplant" <Iplant@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> >> news:244A395C-64DC-41CB-8B5F-7B53671504A9@microsoft.com...
> >> > sorry...I recently purchased a W/D Book (250) external hard
> >> > drive...seems
> >> > to
> >> > work great on XP but Vista is now very slow to boot up. The screen is
> >> > black
> >> > for a good 20 seconds before loading. Does anyone know why? Anything
> >> > I
> >> > could adjust?
> >> >
> >> > Also; I am curious, could I install Vista to this external hard drive
> >> > using
> >> > the full version and leave XP installed?
> >> > --
> >> > always learning
> >>
> >>
>
>