Mark & Robinson,

I'd like to comment on your thread if I may. First off, I'm pretty
sure that my Vista Ultimate SP1 (Thinkpad T500) has the same issue that
Mark is describing. Second, I have tried most (but not all) of the
things that Robinson has described to no avail.

In addition, I have a few variants to Mark's description I'd like to
mention

1) My problem shows up in the UI *and* the service never syncs and
also never puts anything in the event log.

2) I am able to do a /stripchart with time.nist.gov just fine so I
don't think there are any network issues per se.

3) My system does not have SP2 but it was fully updated with
WindowsUpdate on 6/4 and 6/11. I think there are some "pre-SP2" updates
essential to an eventual SP2 install that went on in one of these
updates.

So, I don't think this is an issue specific to SP2 but rather in one of
the recent updates just prior to SP2.

I'd really like to get this fixed so if you'd like more information
from me on system configuration/logs/etc. please let me know.

Thanks,
Mike


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Hi Mark,

Could you please help me collect a screenshot of error message when using
UI sync time?

Please upload the file to Windows Live SkyDrive
([url]http://www.skydrive.live.com/[/url]) and share the URL with us.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Robinson,

I was just thinking about your comments to Mark and I want to clarify
that my UI sync gives an error and does not change the system time. In
addition, my w32time service does run but it never actually updates the
time nor does it put any entries in the event log. Moreover, I have run
a command like

w32tm /stripchart /computer:time.nist.gov /samples:5

and by doing that I can confirm that the service itself can a) contact
a remote ntp server and give back a time value and b) what the
persistent time offset (my machine is currently about 35 seconds fast)
between my system and that server is because the the system time is not
being updated. Here's what the output looks like


Tracking time.nist.gov [192.43.244.18:123].
Collecting 5 samples.
The current time is 6/14/2009 7:13:53 PM.
19:13:53 d:+00.0899897s o:-35.0706906s [@ |
]
19:13:55 d:+00.0889824s o:-35.0722007s [@ |
]
19:13:57 d:+00.0899897s o:-35.0708540s [@ |
]
19:13:59 d:+00.0899897s o:-35.0717943s [@ |
]
19:14:01 d:+00.0879894s o:-35.0722139s [@ |
]


What I'm driving at here is that Mark's problem and mine a very likely
exactly the same and my conjecture is that the failure is a failure in
the UI and w32time's ability to UPDATE the system time and not in their
ability to get the time from the remote ntp server.

I suspect that this issue is widespread but people don't realize that
their time sync isn't working and nothing's going into the event log to
tip them off.

Thanks,
Mike


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mmetts
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Hi Mark,

I am writing as a courtesy to follow-up on this issue. Do you have any
updates? If so, please let me know at your earliest convenience. I am
standing by for your reply and am happy to be of further assistance. Thanks!

For your reference, I have re-posted my previous post.
------------------------------
Hi Mark,

Could you please help me collect a screenshot of error message when using
UI sync time?

Please upload the file to Windows Live SkyDrive
([url]http://www.skydrive.live.com/[/url]) and share the URL with us.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Hi Mike,

As the new report issue you mentioned is different from the one discussed
in this current thread, we'd recommend that you start up a new thread for
it. We generally focus on one topic in one thread because in this way it
will be better for other community members to participate in the
discussion, and to search/find specific answers more efficiently in the
future.

Thank you for your understanding.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Robinson,

Well, actually, I think it's EXACTLY THE SAME issue but I'm willing to
start a new support thread when I get a minute.

Thanks,
Mike


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"Mark Pfeifer" <cdr_pfeifer@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:47704868-C85B-4E99-9D75-0F04861A6F77@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Robinson -
>
> Thanks - I tried the steps below and the service started just fine.
> However, no luck on the UI. Tried several servers and all gave the same
> error message w/o anything in the event log.
>
> Next up? <g>
>
> Thanks for continuing with this,
> Mark
>
> ""Robinson Zhang [MSFT]"" <v-robzha@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:XZPLYw06JHA.6308@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Hello Mark,
>>
>> We suspect the issue is caused by following factors:
>>
>> 1.A specific software block it.
>> 2.System file corrupt.
>>
>> Given the situation, it is recommended to test the issue in Safe Mode.
>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>
>> Windows Time service will not work under Safe Mode by default. To make
>> Windows Time work under Safe Mode, you need to create a registry entry
>> for
>> Safe Mode you are logged in to.
>>
>> 1.Start the computer in Safe Mode with network.
>> 2.Click Start, type CMD and press Enter.
>> 3.Please run the following commands one by one.
>>
>> REG ADD "HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot\Network\W32time"
>> /VE /T REG_SZ /F /D "Service"
>>
>> net start w32time
>>
>> 4.Then, Windows Time service will be started.
>>
>> Please test the issue by UI. Does it work?
>>
>> If the issue still persist, we will focus on the system file next time.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Robinson Zhang
>> Microsoft Online Support
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Robinson -

Hmmm - My last response did not get posted. But no luck with safe mode. The
error is the standard message.

Here is the url:
[url]http://cid-4b81f747617c9dfe.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1[/url]

Thanks
Mark


""Robinson Zhang [MSFT]"" <v-robzha@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:kBlGF7i7JHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi Mark,
>
> I am writing as a courtesy to follow-up on this issue. Do you have any
> updates? If so, please let me know at your earliest convenience. I am
> standing by for your reply and am happy to be of further assistance.
> Thanks!
>
> For your reference, I have re-posted my previous post.
> ------------------------------
> Hi Mark,
>
> Could you please help me collect a screenshot of error message when using
> UI sync time?
>
> Please upload the file to Windows Live SkyDrive
> ([url]http://www.skydrive.live.com/[/url]) and share the URL with us.
>
> Thank you for your cooperation.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Robinson Zhang
> Microsoft Online Support
>
>[/color]

Hi Mark,

I would like to check how things are going. Did you have the chance to
collect the requested information? If you have any other questions, please
do not hesitate to let me know. I look forward to future updates.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Robinson -

Any other suggestions?

Mark

"Mark Pfeifer" <cdr_pfeifer@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:%23BrK6Jr7JHA.4100@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Robinson -
>
> Hmmm - My last response did not get posted. But no luck with safe mode.
> The error is the standard message.
>
> Here is the url:
> [url]http://cid-4b81f747617c9dfe.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1[/url]
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
> ""Robinson Zhang [MSFT]"" <v-robzha@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:kBlGF7i7JHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I am writing as a courtesy to follow-up on this issue. Do you have any
>> updates? If so, please let me know at your earliest convenience. I am
>> standing by for your reply and am happy to be of further assistance.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> For your reference, I have re-posted my previous post.
>> ------------------------------
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Could you please help me collect a screenshot of error message when using
>> UI sync time?
>>
>> Please upload the file to Windows Live SkyDrive
>> ([url]http://www.skydrive.live.com/[/url]) and share the URL with us.
>>
>> Thank you for your cooperation.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Robinson Zhang
>> Microsoft Online Support
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Hi Mark,

Sorry for my delay. I have discussed with my colleagues and we suspect
incorrect registry key may cause the issue. Could you please take following
steps to check it?

NOTE: This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to
modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify
the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps
carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify it.
Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more
information about how to back up and restore the registry, Refer to the
following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge
Base:322756 ([url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/[/url]) How to back up and
restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista.

1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK

If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the
password, or click Continue.

2. Locate the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Config

3. Right-click LargePhaseOffset, and then click Modify.
4. In the Value data box, type 02faf080, and then click OK.
5. Right-click SpikeWatchPeriod, and then click Modify.
6. In the Value data box, type 00000384, and then click OK.
7. Locate the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
tpClient

8. Right-click EventLogFlags, and then click Modify.
9. In the Value data box, type 1, and then click OK.
10. Locate the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
tpServer

11. Right-click Enabled, and then click Modify.
12. In the Value data box, type 0, and then click OK.
13. Exit Registry Editor, and then restart the computer to test the issue.

For more information, you can refer to the following link:

Windows Time Service Tools and Settings
[url]http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(WS.10).aspx[/url]

If the issue sill persists, could you please help us collect your registry
value?

1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK
2. Locate the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time

3. Click File->Export, save it as W32t.reg
4. Please upload the file to skydrive.

I will check related settings when I get the file. Thank you for your
cooperation.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Robinson - My settings looked exactly like you described already.

[url]http://cid-4b81f747617c9dfe.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1[/url]

Thanks
Mark


""Robinson Zhang [MSFT]"" <v-robzha@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:4btHDjr%23JHA.2548@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi Mark,
>
> Sorry for my delay. I have discussed with my colleagues and we suspect
> incorrect registry key may cause the issue. Could you please take
> following
> steps to check it?
>
> NOTE: This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to
> modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify
> the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these steps
> carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify
> it.
> Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more
> information about how to back up and restore the registry, Refer to the
> following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge
> Base:322756 ([url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/[/url]) How to back up and
> restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista.
>
> 1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK
>
> If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type
> the
> password, or click Continue.
>
> 2. Locate the following registry subkey:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Config
>
> 3. Right-click LargePhaseOffset, and then click Modify.
> 4. In the Value data box, type 02faf080, and then click OK.
> 5. Right-click SpikeWatchPeriod, and then click Modify.
> 6. In the Value data box, type 00000384, and then click OK.
> 7. Locate the following registry subkey:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
> tpClient
>
> 8. Right-click EventLogFlags, and then click Modify.
> 9. In the Value data box, type 1, and then click OK.
> 10. Locate the following registry subkey:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
> tpServer
>
> 11. Right-click Enabled, and then click Modify.
> 12. In the Value data box, type 0, and then click OK.
> 13. Exit Registry Editor, and then restart the computer to test the issue.
>
> For more information, you can refer to the following link:
>
> Windows Time Service Tools and Settings
> [url]http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(WS.10).aspx[/url]
>
> If the issue sill persists, could you please help us collect your registry
> value?
>
> 1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK
> 2. Locate the following registry subkey:
>
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time
>
> 3. Click File->Export, save it as W32t.reg
> 4. Please upload the file to skydrive.
>
> I will check related settings when I get the file. Thank you for your
> cooperation.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Robinson Zhang
> Microsoft Online Support
>
>[/color]

Hi Mark,

Thank you upload registry file to skydrive.

I have downloaded and check edit carefully and found the following abnormal
key value.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\w32time\Config\"MaxNegP
haseCorrection"=dword:0000d2f0
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Config\PhaseCor
rectRate=dword:00000001

According to Technet->Network Configuration Technologies->Windows Time
Service Tools and Settings
([url]http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(WS.10).aspx[/url]), the
value of MaxNegPhaseCorrection should be 54,000 and PhaseCorrectRate should
be 7. Could you please modify it to test the issue?

Does it work? Thank you for your cooperation.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Hi Mark,

I have not heard from you on this issue for several days and just checking
how are things are going on? Do you have time currently to work on this
issue?

Please keep us posted on your progress and let us know if you have any
additional questions or concerns.

Have a nice day.

Best regards,

Robinson Zhang
Microsoft Online Support

Robinson - Not sure what happens to my replies... Here is what I sent.

Mark

"Mark Pfeifer" <cdr_pfeifer@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:513534CA-3DD0-40D6-9E45-BDBABC13CCFD@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Robinson - My settings looked exactly like you described already.
>
> [url]http://cid-4b81f747617c9dfe.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1[/url]
>
> Thanks
> Mark
>
>
> ""Robinson Zhang [MSFT]"" <v-robzha@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:4btHDjr%23JHA.2548@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> Sorry for my delay. I have discussed with my colleagues and we suspect
>> incorrect registry key may cause the issue. Could you please take
>> following
>> steps to check it?
>>
>> NOTE: This section, method, or task contains steps that tell you how to
>> modify the registry. However, serious problems might occur if you modify
>> the registry incorrectly. Therefore, make sure that you follow these
>> steps
>> carefully. For added protection, back up the registry before you modify
>> it.
>> Then, you can restore the registry if a problem occurs. For more
>> information about how to back up and restore the registry, Refer to the
>> following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge
>> Base:322756 ([url]http://support.microsoft.com/kb/322756/[/url]) How to back up and
>> restore the registry in Windows XP and Windows Vista.
>>
>> 1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK
>>
>> If you are prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type
>> the
>> password, or click Continue.
>>
>> 2. Locate the following registry subkey:
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\Config
>>
>> 3. Right-click LargePhaseOffset, and then click Modify.
>> 4. In the Value data box, type 02faf080, and then click OK.
>> 5. Right-click SpikeWatchPeriod, and then click Modify.
>> 6. In the Value data box, type 00000384, and then click OK.
>> 7. Locate the following registry subkey:
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
>> tpClient
>>
>> 8. Right-click EventLogFlags, and then click Modify.
>> 9. In the Value data box, type 1, and then click OK.
>> 10. Locate the following registry subkey:
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time\TimeProviders\N
>> tpServer
>>
>> 11. Right-click Enabled, and then click Modify.
>> 12. In the Value data box, type 0, and then click OK.
>> 13. Exit Registry Editor, and then restart the computer to test the
>> issue.
>>
>> For more information, you can refer to the following link:
>>
>> Windows Time Service Tools and Settings
>> [url]http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc773263(WS.10).aspx[/url]
>>
>> If the issue sill persists, could you please help us collect your
>> registry
>> value?
>>
>> 1. Click Start , click Run, type regedit, and then click OK
>> 2. Locate the following registry subkey:
>>
>> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\W32Time
>>
>> 3. Click File->Export, save it as W32t.reg
>> 4. Please upload the file to skydrive.
>>
>> I will check related settings when I get the file. Thank you for your
>> cooperation.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Robinson Zhang
>> Microsoft Online Support
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]