[url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]


"By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
operating system which was different to what they were used to."

People hate Linux when they try it.
No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.

"They then took it home, found they couldn¡¦t use it exactly like their home
desktop ¡V itself an unrealistic expectation ¡V and returned it, either
giving up or opting to spend more money to buy a Windows XP edition
instead."

If you think you hate Linux now, wait until you actually try it !!

"In my home country of Australia the present federal Government promised
laptops to school attendees during the election process.

Linux had the clear edge ¡V no other significant operating system can be
added without a licensing cost thrown in to the mix.

Yet, the winning solution chosen by the NSW Department of Education (DET)
was a Lenovo and Microsoft combination."

Sounds like the people in charge of making the decision actually tried to
use the Linux netbooks and gave up.

"Similarly, if the NSW Government won¡¦t tell me the hardware specs and
costings of the submissions they received then I decided I'll find out from
the vendors themselves.

My first replies came today from ASUS and Dell.

Marty Filipowski from Dell Corporate Communications first surprised me by
saying that Dell does not, in Australia and New Zealand, offer any ¡§mini
laptops¡¨ with Linux. I note Marty chose not to use the word netbook, but
more significantly, I¡¦m left amazed that Dell ¡V possibly the first major
brand to promote they were selling computers with Ubuntu Linux ¡V totally
ignore Linux in this region."

This is surprising?
Companies want to offer products that people are willing to buy.

Linux can't even be given away for FREE!

"When I asked why this was the case Marty advised Dell had been monitoring
the market and launched Dell Inspiron Mini products with ¡§the features in
demand by our customers.¡¨"

Like I said......

"Now, ASUS, to my mind, have been a pretty innovative company and are the
ones who boldly imagined that a low-cost low-powered system would have a
market. Yet, they surprised me even more than Dell.

Linda Vo from ASUS told me that ASUS¡¦ netbook sales are 95% Windows-based
and 5% Linux-based. "


Point is, despite what the freetards over in COLA will tell you, Linux
netbook sales dropped from 100 percent of the market to less than 5 percent
of the market once Windows versions were released.

Linux sucks.
Linux is a piker.
Average people just don't want Linux.

Exceptions exist of course, but they are not enough in number to make any
difference.

Doctor Smith wrote:[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url][/color]

[url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com> wrote in message
news:gt7amv$vgo$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Doctor Smith wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url][/color]
>
> [url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]
>
> Alias[/color]

BFD. HP sells an INFERIOR Linux distro. In real life, users will fire up
their machine, figure out what a piece of crap they have and they will
return it asking for Windows to be installed.

Remember, Ubuntu/Linux is FREE and is still on less than one percent of the
desktops out there. NOBODY wants to use that INFERIOR product.

People would rather pay for quality Microsoft products than use crappy Linux
Open Sores software.

Live with it.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:53 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Doctor Smith wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url][/color]
>
>[url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]
>
>Alias[/color]
Interesting that HP are offering Novell Suze Linux - since it's been
developed by MS, and is NOT free !
--
Noel Paton
[url]www.crashfixpc.co.uk[/url]

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Noel Paton wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:53 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Doctor Smith wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url][/color]
>>
>>[url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-[/url][/color][/color]
ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>>Alias[/color]
> Interesting that HP are offering Novell Suze Linux - since it's been
> developed by MS, and is NOT free ![/color]

Even more interesting that Vista is installed on the laptop in the Ad.

Noel Paton wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:53 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Doctor Smith wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url][/color]
>> [url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]
>>
>> Alias[/color]
> Interesting that HP are offering Novell Suze Linux - since it's been
> developed by MS, and is NOT free ![/color]
The following descriptions of the os in question (SUSE Linux Enterprise
Desktop 11) do not sound like something ms developed:
[url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130344[/url]
SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11
SLED 11 is built on Version 2.6.27 of the Linux kernel. You get two
choices for a desktop: GNOME v. 2.24.1 or KDE v. 4.1.3.
For the default file system, SLED 11 is now using the rock-solid ext3
instead of ReiserFS.
--
norm

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:04:09 -0400, norm <noone@nowhere.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Noel Paton wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:53 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com>
>> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Doctor Smith wrote:
>>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>> [url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]
>>>
>>> Alias[/color]
>> Interesting that HP are offering Novell Suze Linux - since it's been
>> developed by MS, and is NOT free ![/color]
>The following descriptions of the os in question (SUSE Linux Enterprise
>Desktop 11) do not sound like something ms developed:
>[url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130344[/url]
>SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11
>SLED 11 is built on Version 2.6.27 of the Linux kernel. You get two
>choices for a desktop: GNOME v. 2.24.1 or KDE v. 4.1.3.
>For the default file system, SLED 11 is now using the rock-solid ext3
>instead of ReiserFS.[/color]
I may be overstating the case, but MS had a big hand in it - and
considerable money
Look at the three Sponsors on the left of the page here
HP/Intel/MS
[url]http://www.novell.com/linux/[/url]

also look here
[url]http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/[/url]
--
Noel Paton
[url]www.crashfixpc.co.uk[/url]

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Noel Paton wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:04:09 -0400, norm <noone@nowhere.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Noel Paton wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:25:53 +0200, Alias <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Doctor Smith wrote:
>>>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>>> [url]http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-and-Notebooks/First-Look-at-HPs-LowCost-ProBook-Laptop-Lineup-880043/[/url]
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> Interesting that HP are offering Novell Suze Linux - since it's been
>>> developed by MS, and is NOT free ![/color]
>> The following descriptions of the os in question (SUSE Linux Enterprise
>> Desktop 11) do not sound like something ms developed:
>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9130344[/url]
>> SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11
>> SLED 11 is built on Version 2.6.27 of the Linux kernel. You get two
>> choices for a desktop: GNOME v. 2.24.1 or KDE v. 4.1.3.
>> For the default file system, SLED 11 is now using the rock-solid ext3
>> instead of ReiserFS.[/color]
> I may be overstating the case, but MS had a big hand in it - and
> considerable money
> Look at the three Sponsors on the left of the page here
> HP/Intel/MS
> [url]http://www.novell.com/linux/[/url]
>
> also look here
> [url]http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/[/url][/color]

Overstating is probably a fair assessment. ;) Sponsorship and an
interoperability pact do not necessarily equate to "something developed
by ms", as was originally stated. And if I understand correctly, what
one is paying for is support.

--
norm

On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>
>
> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>
> People hate Linux when they try it.
> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.[/color]

Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?

They never really existed.

This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.

[deletia]

--
Unfortunately, the universe will not conform itself to
your fantasies. You have to manage based on what really happens |||
rather than what you would like to happen. This is true of personal / | \
affairs, government and business.

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:46 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:[color=green]
>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>
>>
>> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
>> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
>> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
>> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>>
>> People hate Linux when they try it.
>> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.[/color]
>
> Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?
>
> They never really existed.
>
> This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.[/color]

Uhh.. what? Tell that to my MSI Wind. You know, the netbook you claim
doesn't exist.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url]

On 2009-04-29, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:46 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>>
>>>
>>> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
>>> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
>>> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
>>> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>>>
>>> People hate Linux when they try it.
>>> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.[/color]
>>
>> Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?
>>
>> They never really existed.
>>
>> This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.[/color]
>
> Uhh.. what? Tell that to my MSI Wind. You know, the netbook you claim
> doesn't exist.
>
> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url][/color]

IOW, the only thing you've ever seen this thing is in a wikipedia article.

That makes this thing about as real as the flying spaghetti monster.

--
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/ | \

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:42 -0500, JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet>
wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url][/color]
>
> IOW, the only thing you've ever seen this thing is in a wikipedia article.
>
> That makes this thing about as real as the flying spaghetti monster.[/color]

Whoa, there buddy - our Lord and savior the flying spaghetti monster
is nothing to joke about. Aren't you familiar with pastafarians?
[url]http://www.flyingspaghettimonster.com/[/url]

On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:42 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2009-04-29, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:46 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:
>>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
>>>> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
>>>> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
>>>> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>>>>
>>>> People hate Linux when they try it.
>>>> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.
>>>
>>> Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?
>>>
>>> They never really existed.
>>>
>>> This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.[/color]
>>
>> Uhh.. what? Tell that to my MSI Wind. You know, the netbook you claim
>> doesn't exist.
>>
>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url][/color]
>
> IOW, the only thing you've ever seen this thing is in a wikipedia article.
>
> That makes this thing about as real as the flying spaghetti monster.[/color]

What part of *MY* MSI Wind didn't you understand?

I own one. It's sitting here on my desk next to me. I bought it at
MicroCenter about 4 months ago. Yes, in a brick and morter store.

On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:40:48 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:42 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 2009-04-29, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:46 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:
>>>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
>>>>> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
>>>>> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
>>>>> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>>>>>
>>>>> People hate Linux when they try it.
>>>>> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.
>>>>
>>>> Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?
>>>>
>>>> They never really existed.
>>>>
>>>> This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.
>>>
>>> Uhh.. what? Tell that to my MSI Wind. You know, the netbook you claim
>>> doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url][/color]
>>
>> IOW, the only thing you've ever seen this thing is in a wikipedia article.
>>
>> That makes this thing about as real as the flying spaghetti monster.[/color]
>
> What part of *MY* MSI Wind didn't you understand?
>
> I own one. It's sitting here on my desk next to me. I bought it at
> MicroCenter about 4 months ago. Yes, in a brick and morter store.[/color]

Sarcasm On:

You're lying.
Why?
Because you have to be lying.

Sarcasm off:

On 2009-04-30, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:40:48 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:22:42 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On 2009-04-29, Erik Funkenbusch <erik@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:12:46 -0500, JEDIDIAH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2009-04-28, Doctor Smith <iaintgotnostinkinemail@ols.net> wrote:
>>>>>> [url]http://www.itwire.com/content/view/24700/1231/[/url]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "By October the story was different. MSI claimed Linux netbooks were being
>>>>>> returned four times as often as Windows netbooks. Their internal research
>>>>>> showed this could be attributed to consumers being turned off by an
>>>>>> operating system which was different to what they were used to."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People hate Linux when they try it.
>>>>>> No amount of "free" is able to overcome this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where exactly did you ever see an MSI netbook?
>>>>>
>>>>> They never really existed.
>>>>>
>>>>> This whole story about MSI is a total fabrication.
>>>>
>>>> Uhh.. what? Tell that to my MSI Wind. You know, the netbook you claim
>>>> doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>>> [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSI_Wind_Netbook[/url]
>>>
>>> IOW, the only thing you've ever seen this thing is in a wikipedia article.
>>>
>>> That makes this thing about as real as the flying spaghetti monster.[/color]
>>
>> What part of *MY* MSI Wind didn't you understand?
>>
>> I own one. It's sitting here on my desk next to me. I bought it at
>> MicroCenter about 4 months ago. Yes, in a brick and morter store.[/color]
>
> Sarcasm On:
>
> You're lying.
> Why?
> Because you have to be lying.
>
> Sarcasm off:[/color]

Why does the truth require something akin to a tooth extraction?

The truth should be "easy".

The truth should kind of just fall out on it's own.

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