"Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
news:uUKJl.15683$pr6.408@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...[color=blue]
> Explain how it hasn't happened yet.[/color]

So if you don't have antivirus on your system, you won't know. Maybe you
are already infected but you don't know it.

[color=blue]
> "measekite Da Monkey" <mease@monkey.net> wrote in message
> news:ZHKJl.9146$im1.1279@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...[color=green]
>>
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:sLKJl.15678$pr6.15431@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...[color=darkred]
>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.[/color]
>>
>> So what happens when someone you know, sends you a document and that
>> document is infected? It happens.
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
> unknown things and you won't get a virus.[/color]


As you already know, I, and most of us here, completely disagree with
you. What you are suggesting is nothing but foolhardy.

This message is for the sake of others reading this thread. You will
undoubtedly take it as an opportunity to start up another argument
with me, but if you do, I won't respond.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if you
>don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.[/color]

You really don't know much about viruses and malware, do you?

On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:16:03 -0700, "Jan :\)" <me@localhost.invalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Hey Noel! How are you? Hope all is going well. :-)
>
>Jan :)
>[/color]
Hi, Jan :)
fine thanks - you?
Got that remote assist problem sorted yet? <eg>
--
Noel Paton
[url]www.crashfixpc.co.uk[/url]

Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Most people with viruses don't know they have them, you are making the
grave error of assuming the virus author wants to damage your system so
you will know. The smart virus authors (And Trojans are especially
included in this) want the virus to continue spreading so make every
effort to avoid doing damage.

I agree that 90% of protecting yourself is vigilance, but if you rely
only on that then you are also relying on 10% good luck, and that runs out.

Unknown wrote:[color=blue]
> Explain how it hasn't happened yet.
> "measekite Da Monkey" <mease@monkey.net> wrote in message
> news:ZHKJl.9146$im1.1279@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...[color=green]
>> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message
>> news:sLKJl.15678$pr6.15431@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...[color=darkred]
>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.[/color]
>> So what happens when someone you know, sends you a document and that
>> document is infected? It happens.
>>
>>[/color]
>
>[/color]

measekite wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>[color=green]
>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.[/color]
>
>
> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately need
> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>
> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>[/color]

What?

Difficult to invade?

People paste commands run as root into terminals.
Hardly difficult to do bad things.

Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=blue]
> measekite wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.[/color]
>>
>> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately need
>> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>>
>> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
>> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>>[/color]
>
> What?
>
> Difficult to invade?
>
> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>[/color]

Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
turned it off.

Alias

Alias wrote:
[color=blue]
> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=green]
>> measekite wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>>>
>>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your
>>>> computer clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.
>>>
>>> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately
>>> need
>>> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>>>
>>> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
>>> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> What?
>>
>> Difficult to invade?
>>
>> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
>> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>>[/color]
>
> Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
> clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
> don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
> be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
> viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
> was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
> turned it off.
>
>[/color]

Linux has UAC.
Know how people turn that off?
They run as root.
They even auto login.

The crap for linux is coming if it ever gets widespread desktop usage.

That review was misleading - trying to tell us poor dumb folk that your
system is "completely unusable" and only fit for a reinstall just because
the MBR has been overwritten! It's obvious that they are using a certain
'elevated' terminology in order to try and sell you stuff.


==


Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London.


"Pete" <pete@dontspam.com> wrote in message
news:cgqJl.31033$ZP4.29201@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...[color=blue]
> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:[color=green]
>> On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 14:29:56 -0500, Pete <pete@dontspam.com> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> John Barnett MVP wrote:
>>>> I've used the free version of AVG and Avast and found them both to be
>>>> good at their job. AVG does, however, have a much more user friendly
>>>> interface.
>>>>
>>>> As Planters has already suggested NOD32 is also a good all rounder. I'm
>>>> currently running Eset's Smart Security which includes NOD32 on my
>>>> Windows 7 system partition.
>>>>
>>> Crazy. Don't trust your machine to a free anti virus. Go to ebay and buy
>>> an opened box with the newest software.[/color]
>>
>>
>> I couldn't disagree with you more. The quality of an anti-virus
>> program has nothing to do with whether it is for sale or free. As a
>> single example, I think the freeware Avast (which John recommends
>> above) is one of the best available anti-virus programs, and Norton
>> and McAfee (which are for sale) are the two worst ones.
>>
>>[/color]
> To start your education about these things:
> [url]http://anti-virus-software-review.toptenreviews.com/[/url]
>
> -Pete[/color]

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=green]
>> measekite wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>>>
>>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your
>>>> computer
>>>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.
>>>
>>> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately
>>> need
>>> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>>>
>>> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
>>> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>>>[/color]
>>
>> What?
>>
>> Difficult to invade?
>>
>> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
>> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>>[/color]
>
> Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
> clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
> don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
> be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
> viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
> was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
> turned it off.
>
> Alias[/color]

I love watching you make a fukkin idiot out of yourself!...LOL!
What a dumb FUKK you are!
Get lost troll!

Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=blue]
> Alias wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> measekite wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your
>>>>> computer clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but if
>>>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.
>>>> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately
>>>> need
>>>> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>>>>
>>>> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
>>>> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>>>>
>>> What?
>>>
>>> Difficult to invade?
>>>
>>> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
>>> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>>>[/color]
>> Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
>> clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
>> don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
>> be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
>> viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
>> was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
>> turned it off.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Linux has UAC.
> Know how people turn that off?
> They run as root.
> They even auto login.
>
> The crap for linux is coming if it ever gets widespread desktop usage.
>
>[/color]

Which will be good for the computer repair sector.

Heh.

Alias

"Alias" <iamalias@NUKEGmailTHIS.com> wrote in message
news:gt8h6v$18n$1@aioe.org...[color=blue]
> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:[color=green]
>> Alias wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Vlad-the-Impaler wrote:
>>>> measekite wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, Unknown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your
>>>>>> computer clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>>>>>> unknown things and you won't get a virus. They may be in e-mails but
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you don't click on unknown items in e-mail you don't get a virus.
>>>>> I do not totally agree with that. If you run Windows you definately
>>>>> need
>>>>> antivirus. Now with Apple that is also starting to be true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now there are no viruses in the wild for Linux and Linux is also
>>>>> much more secure and difficult to invade.
>>>>>
>>>> What?
>>>>
>>>> Difficult to invade?
>>>>
>>>> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
>>>> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>>>>
>>> Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
>>> clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
>>> don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
>>> be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
>>> viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
>>> was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
>>> turned it off.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>
>> Linux has UAC.
>> Know how people turn that off?
>> They run as root.
>> They even auto login.
>>
>> The crap for linux is coming if it ever gets widespread desktop usage.
>>
>>[/color]
>
> Which will be good for the computer repair sector.
>
> Heh.
>
> Alias[/color]

But not for YOU because you have NO CLUE what he was talking about! HA HA HA
HA

measekite Da Monkey wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>>
>>>>> Difficult to invade?
>>>>>
>>>>> People paste commands run as root into terminals.
>>>>> Hardly difficult to do bad things.
>>>>>
>>>> Idiots will be idiots whatever OS they use. Clueless people will be
>>>> clueless people regardless of the OS. That said, most windows users
>>>> don't use CMD and probably won't use a Linux terminal as most things can
>>>> be done with a GUI in each OS. Windows, OTOH, is much more prone to
>>>> viruses as everything is interconnected with the registry or "root". UAC
>>>> was a good idea but was implemented in such an intrusive way that people
>>>> turned it off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Linux has UAC.
>>> Know how people turn that off?
>>> They run as root.
>>> They even auto login.
>>>
>>> The crap for linux is coming if it ever gets widespread desktop usage.
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Which will be good for the computer repair sector.
>>
>> Heh.
>>
>> Alias[/color]
>
> But not for YOU because you have NO CLUE what he was talking about! HA HA HA
> HA
>
>
>[/color]

Idiot. I know *exactly* what he was talking about.

Alias

I have no intentions of starting or continuing any argument. I merely state
facts.
I have an external backup harddrive.
I do NOT click on anything unknown.
I do NOT use any virus programs or registry cleaners.
I have NEVER had a virus.
My system runs fast and error free. No surprises.
No problems updating, no slowdowns. I use Windows firewall.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:4muev4dpk1n4j3fkpbq2hhsk4f02metmrk@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:36:06 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> All those virus programs do is screw up XP or any OS. Keep your computer
>> clean, use safe hex, don't click on
>> unknown things and you won't get a virus.[/color]
>
>
> As you already know, I, and most of us here, completely disagree with
> you. What you are suggesting is nothing but foolhardy.
>
> This message is for the sake of others reading this thread. You will
> undoubtedly take it as an opportunity to start up another argument
> with me, but if you do, I won't respond.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup[/color]

On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:43:49 -0400, Vlad-the-Impaler
<vlad@headsonastick.ow> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Linux has UAC.
>Know how people turn that off?
>They run as root.
>They even auto login.
>[/color]

And of course, Windows users never, ever run as Admin. Well, not
unless they need to actually get something done, then it turns out to
be a requirement.