I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding? In
newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From) field
highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in normal
text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched threads, you
cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless you go through
and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my setup and can't
really be like this?

--
And loving it,

-Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
_________________________________________________
[email]Qu0llSixFour******.com[/email]
[Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me]

Hi, Qu0ll.
[color=blue]
> Surely they are kidding?[/color]

No, not kidding. They just didn't think it through. :>(

My solution (suggested by someone in the
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop newsgroup) is a simple News Rule
(Tools | Message Rules). The full content of my Rule is:
Apply this rule after the message arrives
For all messages
Highlight it with Default

Some users here prefer the Highlight to be Black, but I like Default better.
You can choose for yourself.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 7000

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour******.com> wrote in message
news:uF7MiMowJHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
> Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding? In
> newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From)
> field highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in
> normal text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched
> threads, you cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless
> you go through and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my
> setup and can't really be like this?
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)[/color]

"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour******.com> wrote in message
news:uF7MiMowJHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
> Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding? In
> newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From)
> field highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in
> normal text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched
> threads, you cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless
> you go through and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my
> setup and can't really be like this?[/color]

No, its by design, its been raised quite vocally already as you can imagine
so hopefully they'll sort it out in the next release

If not don't worry after a few months your eyes will change shape so you can
still see what's going on. <g>

If I was using Windows Vista I'd just use Windows Mail - but unfortunately
on Windows 7 like I am I've got no choice, I tried Thunderbird but that
wasn't doing much for me.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Desktop Experience.
[url]http://www.dasmirnov.net/[/url]

QuOll, I have made my opinions of this ridiculous situation known to
Microsoft and they are 'supposed' to be dealing with it. How long it takes
them is another matter. I agree that simply highlighting the 'author' is
ridiculous. I can't say, as you do, that i was 'absolutely amazed,' more, in
my case, horrified.

The whole fiasco beggars belief.

--

--
John Barnett MVP
Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

Web: [url]http://www.winuser.co.uk[/url]
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"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour******.com> wrote in message
news:uF7MiMowJHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
> Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding? In
> newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From)
> field highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in
> normal text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched
> threads, you cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless
> you go through and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my
> setup and can't really be like this?
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> [email]Qu0llSixFour******.com[/email]
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me][/color]

I don't think anyone likes it...
Let MSFT know...
click on Help - Send Feedback...


--
Windows 7 beta
[url]http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview[/url]
[url]http://download.live.com/wlmail[/url]


"Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour******.com> wrote in message
news:uF7MiMowJHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
> Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding? In
> newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From)
> field highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in
> normal text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched
> threads, you cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless
> you go through and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my
> setup and can't really be like this?
>
> --
> And loving it,
>
> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
> _________________________________________________
> [email]Qu0llSixFour******.com[/email]
> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me][/color]

On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
<freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>The whole fiasco beggars belief.[/color]

MS knows best what you need!

That's the problem, Bob, Microsoft don't know what's best they only 'assume'
they do.

--

--
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Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

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"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
news:fj5su4p536ds2tgaq35ifka7vpiecojp7b@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
> <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>The whole fiasco beggars belief.[/color]
>
> MS knows best what you need!
>[/color]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:40:58 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
<freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>That's the problem, Bob, Microsoft don't know what's best they only 'assume'
>they do.
>
>--[/color]

No, no, no... I'm sure they had a "focus group" of customers whom they
asked leading questions with pre-supposed answers - and they got
exactly the answers they pre-supposed, verifying that they were
correct about the proper approach all along :-)

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:OB$7rqqwJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> QuOll, I have made my opinions of this ridiculous situation known to
> Microsoft and they are 'supposed' to be dealing with it. How long it takes
> them is another matter. I agree that simply highlighting the 'author' is
> ridiculous. I can't say, as you do, that i was 'absolutely amazed,' more,
> in my case, horrified.
>
> The whole fiasco beggars belief.
>
> --
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Windows XP Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
> Web: [url]http://www.winuser.co.uk[/url]
> Web: [url]http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org[/url]
> Web: [url]http://vistasupport.mvps.org[/url]
> Web: [url]http://www.silversurfer-guide.com[/url]
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for
> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
> the
> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
> mail/post..
>
>
> "Qu0ll" <Qu0llSixFour******.com> wrote in message
> news:uF7MiMowJHA.5836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> I have just installed an update that included the latest version of Live
>> Mail and am absolutely amazed at the result. Surely they are kidding?
>> In newsgroups now for some reason, new items have only the author (From)
>> field highlighted with bold text and the subject and other fields just in
>> normal text. The result is that when you receive new items in watched
>> threads, you cannot see which thread it is that has the new items unless
>> you go through and expand each one manually! Surely this is a bug in my
>> setup and can't really be like this?
>>
>> --
>> And loving it,
>>
>> -Qu0ll (Rare, not extinct)
>> _________________________________________________
>> [email]Qu0llSixFour******.com[/email]
>> [Replace the "SixFour" with numbers to email me][/color][/color]
___________________

The reason it will take forRedmondevah is that OE, Win Mail, and Win Live
Mail and the NNTP newsgroup reader are a Redmond free bastard step child.
It ain't part of the cash cow franchise which is Office and Outlook. They
have always been schlepped together with little regard for what their
customers want. The attitude with the free mail that's the NNTP newsreader
is "Let 'em eat cake if they ain't buyin' our cash cow."

CH

MSFT apparently "thinks" they know best what you should be reading because
they have censored Bob's second message to you, and unless you hopped on it
earlier and dragged it to that desk toppy thingy you ain't can see it now.

CH

"John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:e3OigqtwJHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> That's the problem, Bob, Microsoft don't know what's best they only
> 'assume' they do.
>
> --
>
> --
> John Barnett MVP
> Windows XP Associate Expert
> Windows Desktop Experience
>
> Web: [url]http://www.winuser.co.uk[/url]
> Web: [url]http://xphelpandsupport.mvps.org[/url]
> Web: [url]http://vistasupport.mvps.org[/url]
> Web: [url]http://www.silversurfer-guide.com[/url]
>
> The information in this mail/post is supplied "as is". No warranty of any
> kind, either expressed or implied, is made in relation to the accuracy,
> reliability or content of this mail/post. The Author shall not be liable
> for
> any direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages arising out of
> the
> use of, or inability to use, information or opinions expressed in this
> mail/post..
>
>
> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
> news:fj5su4p536ds2tgaq35ifka7vpiecojp7b@4ax.com...[color=green]
>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
>> <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>The whole fiasco beggars belief.[/color]
>>
>> MS knows best what you need!
>>[/color][/color]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:23:37 -0400, "Chad Harris"
<Win7@yes_she_can.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>MSFT apparently "thinks" they know best what you should be reading because
>they have censored Bob's second message to you, and unless you hopped on it
>earlier and dragged it to that desk toppy thingy you ain't can see it now.
>
>CH[/color]

Wow. That's pretty funky. It wasn't particularly negative - just an
astute observation based on actual experience gained working with them
in the past. I guess only pro-MS posts will be tolerated here from now
on.

Hi, Chad.

I don't know why you can't read Bob's second message to John. (Date: Tue,
21 Apr 2009 21:38:45 -0400) The one about a "focus group"? I can still
read it fine in WLM 2009.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 7000

"Chad Harris" <Win7@yes_she_can.net> wrote in message
news:eS#lcIwwJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> MSFT apparently "thinks" they know best what you should be reading because
> they have censored Bob's second message to you, and unless you hopped on
> it earlier and dragged it to that desk toppy thingy you ain't can see it
> now.
>
> CH
>
> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:e3OigqtwJHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> That's the problem, Bob, Microsoft don't know what's best they only
>> 'assume' they do.
>>
>> --
>> John Barnett MVP
>>
>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:fj5su4p536ds2tgaq35ifka7vpiecojp7b@4ax.com...[color=darkred]
>>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
>>> <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The whole fiasco beggars belief.
>>>
>>> MS knows best what you need![/color][/color][/color]

It doesn't show up on my newsreader either RC

--

--
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Windows XP Associate Expert
Windows Desktop Experience

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"R. C. White" <rc@grandecom.net> wrote in message
news:eB4M7U1wJHA.3676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi, Chad.
>
> I don't know why you can't read Bob's second message to John. (Date: Tue,
> 21 Apr 2009 21:38:45 -0400) The one about a "focus group"? I can still
> read it fine in WLM 2009.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> [email]rc@grandecom.net[/email]
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8064.0206) in Win7 Ultimate x64 7000
>
> "Chad Harris" <Win7@yes_she_can.net> wrote in message
> news:eS#lcIwwJHA.528@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> MSFT apparently "thinks" they know best what you should be reading
>> because they have censored Bob's second message to you, and unless you
>> hopped on it earlier and dragged it to that desk toppy thingy you ain't
>> can see it now.
>>
>> CH
>>
>> "John Barnett MVP" <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:e3OigqtwJHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> That's the problem, Bob, Microsoft don't know what's best they only
>>> 'assume' they do.
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Barnett MVP
>>>
>>> "+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
>>> news:fj5su4p536ds2tgaq35ifka7vpiecojp7b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 18:57:48 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
>>>> <freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The whole fiasco beggars belief.
>>>>
>>>> MS knows best what you need![/color][/color]
>[/color]

Even if it were negative, which I can't say because I haven't seen it, I
still cannot see a reason for pulling it.

--

--
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Windows Desktop Experience

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"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
news:ta7tu4h2l586m2v5altdd6mjdf7mbat6ih@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 00:23:37 -0400, "Chad Harris"
> <Win7@yes_she_can.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>MSFT apparently "thinks" they know best what you should be reading because
>>they have censored Bob's second message to you, and unless you hopped on
>>it
>>earlier and dragged it to that desk toppy thingy you ain't can see it now.
>>
>>CH[/color]
>
> Wow. That's pretty funky. It wasn't particularly negative - just an
> astute observation based on actual experience gained working with them
> in the past. I guess only pro-MS posts will be tolerated here from now
> on.[/color]

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:09:14 +0100, "John Barnett MVP"
<freelance@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
>Even if it were negative, which I can't say because I haven't seen it, I
>still cannot see a reason for pulling it.
>
>--[/color]

Me either, but I can't see it on MS's server.