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| Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals from them! Alias      |
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. Alias wrote:[color=blue] > [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] > > > Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets > conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals > from them! > > Alias[/color] Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) -- "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." - Linus Torvalds DRM and unintended consequences: [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] |
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04-09-2009, 07:30 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=blue] > Alias wrote:[color=green] >> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >> from them! >> >> Alias[/color] > > Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) > > -- > "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." > - Linus Torvalds > > DRM and unintended consequences: > [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, it has cost MS dear.. -- Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url] |
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04-09-2009, 07:30 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "Alias" <iamaliasNUKE@THISgmail.com> wrote in message news:grm0k1$21b$1@news.motzarella.org...[color=blue] > [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] > > Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets > conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals > from them! > >[/color] It's only $400,000,000. GM loses that much in a month. You make that much a year(or so the rumor goes). But you can bet that,as usual, the kids will suffer. |
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04-09-2009, 07:50 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message news:udEgzLYuJHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" > <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=green] >> Alias wrote:[color=darkred] >>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >>> from them! >>> >>> Alias[/color] >> >> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >> >> -- >> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >> - Linus Torvalds >> >> DRM and unintended consequences: >> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] > > > Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, it > has cost MS dear..[/color] Why in the world would MS do something like this? They must have thought it was worth the price. I took Bill Gates for smarter than that. <H>. [color=blue] > > > -- > > Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience > [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url][/color] |
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04-09-2009, 08:00 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=blue] > "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" > <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=green] >> Alias wrote:[color=darkred] >>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS >>> gets conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one >>> steals from them! >>> >>> Alias[/color] >> >> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >> >> -- >> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >> - Linus Torvalds >> >> DRM and unintended consequences: >> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] > > > Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, > it has cost MS dear.. > >[/color] Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this ng been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a eula? -- norm |
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04-09-2009, 08:20 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. webster72n wrote:[color=blue] > > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message > news:udEgzLYuJHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green] >> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina >> DiBoy'" <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred] >>> Alias wrote: >>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS >>>> gets conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one >>>> steals from them! >>>> >>>> Alias >>> >>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>> >>> -- >>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>> - Linus Torvalds >>> >>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] >> >> >> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either >> way, it has cost MS dear..[/color] > > Why in the world would MS do something like this? > They must have thought it was worth the price. > I took Bill Gates for smarter than that.[/color] He is, he left soon after WGA was adopted, remember? This is another Ballmer screw up I'm sure. |
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04-09-2009, 08:20 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=green] >> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" >> <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred] >>> Alias wrote: >>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >>>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >>>> from them! >>>> >>>> Alias >>> >>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>> >>> -- >>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>> - Linus Torvalds >>> >>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] >> >> >> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >> it has cost MS dear.. >> >>[/color] > Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then > how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this ng > been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a eula? > > -- > norm[/color] We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that there was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, however, two things which we do know. 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus should they feel the need.. :-) -- Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url] |
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04-09-2009, 08:30 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "webster72n" <webster72n******.com> wrote in message news:elm0zaYuJHA.4364@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > > > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message > news:udEgzLYuJHA.2376@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green] >> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" >> <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org...[color=darkred] >>> Alias wrote: >>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >>>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >>>> from them! >>>> >>>> Alias >>> >>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>> >>> -- >>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>> - Linus Torvalds >>> >>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url][/color] >> >> >> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >> it has cost MS dear..[/color] > > Why in the world would MS do something like this? > They must have thought it was worth the price. > I took Bill Gates for smarter than that. > > <H>. >[color=green] >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience >> [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url][/color] >[/color] We may never know that, but the assumption by most, right or wrong, will be that Microsoft knew what they were doing.. -- Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url] |
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=blue] > "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message > news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green] >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=darkred] >>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina >>> DiBoy'" <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message >>> news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org... >>>> Alias wrote: >>>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS >>>>> gets conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no >>>>> one steals from them! >>>>> >>>>> Alias >>>> >>>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>>> - Linus Torvalds >>>> >>>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] >>> >>> >>> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either >>> way, it has cost MS dear.. >>> >>>[/color] >> Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, >> then how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people >> in this ng been called thieves because they are outside of the >> parameters of a eula? >> >> -- >> norm[/color] > > > We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that > there was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, > however, two things which we do know. > > 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft > 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus > should they feel the need.. :-) > >[/color] But why is one issue not considered "theft" and the other is? It is not a question of who likes whom or of bonuses. Is not being in compliance with a eula theft or not? -- norm |
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04-09-2009, 08:50 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:18:31 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote: [color=blue] > "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message > news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=green] >> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=darkred] >>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" >>> <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org... >>>> Alias wrote: >>>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >>>>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >>>>> from them! >>>>> >>>>> Alias >>>> >>>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>>> - Linus Torvalds >>>> >>>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] >>> >>> >>> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >>> it has cost MS dear.. >>> >>>[/color] >> Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then >> how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this ng >> been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a eula? >> >> -- >> norm[/color] > > > We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that there > was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, however, > two things which we do know. > > 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft > 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus > should they feel the need.. :-)[/color] My first thought on looking at the article was that Microsoft might have independently hit on the same theft-prevention technique. I have done a similar thing, when what I "invented" was (a) pretty obvious, and (b) covered by a patent. In my case, my boss knew about the patent and stopped me... Which pretty much agrees with what you said, Mike. Still - they could have done it knowingly, n'est-ce pas? I also wonder if it will be appealed further by MS... Maybe we could also start a long OT subthread about the iniquities and inequities of out patent system and other IP systems. (I hope not, and I promise not to post further if it happens!) -- Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom |
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 20:43:56 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote: [color=blue] > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:18:31 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >[color=green] >> "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message >> news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred] >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina DiBoy'" >>>> <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org... >>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS gets >>>>>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one steals >>>>>> from them! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alias >>>>> >>>>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>>>> - Linus Torvalds >>>>> >>>>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] >>>> >>>> >>>> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >>>> it has cost MS dear.. >>>> >>>> >>> Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then >>> how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this ng >>> been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a eula? >>> >>> -- >>> norm[/color] >> >> >> We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that there >> was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, however, >> two things which we do know. >> >> 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft >> 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus >> should they feel the need.. :-)[/color] > > My first thought on looking at the article was that Microsoft might have > independently hit on the same theft-prevention technique. I have done a > similar thing, when what I "invented" was (a) pretty obvious, and (b) > covered by a patent. In my case, my boss knew about the patent and stopped > me... > > Which pretty much agrees with what you said, Mike. > > Still - they could have done it knowingly, n'est-ce pas? > > I also wonder if it will be appealed further by MS... > > Maybe we could also start a long OT subthread about the iniquities and > inequities of out patent system and other IP systems. (I hope not, and I > promise not to post further if it happens!)[/color] Make that "our" patent system - dumb spell checker should have known what I meant :-) -- Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom |
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "webster72n" <webster72n******.com> wrote:[color=blue] > "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message[/color] [color=blue][color=green] >> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. >> Either way, it has cost MS dear..[/color] > > Why in the world would MS do something like this? > They must have thought it was worth the price. > I took Bill Gates for smarter than that.[/color] During the big antitrust trial (1998 or so), some of Microsoft's lawyers' arguments were ridiculous. The practice is not new at Microsoft (and probably other closed source software publishers). -- Interested in making Windows and games obey your verbal commands? Continuous command recognition (much easier than speech recognition) can now be enabled using Naturally Speaking and freeware Dragonfly. See (comp.lang.beta) for discussion. |
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04-09-2009, 09:20 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "Gene E. Bloch" <not-me@other.invalid> wrote in message news:eac7zobpyj1a$.vr182c7ugh32$.dlg@40tude.net...[color=blue] > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009 23:18:31 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >[color=green] >> "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message >> news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred] >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina >>>> DiBoy'" >>>> <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org... >>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS >>>>>> gets >>>>>> conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one >>>>>> steals >>>>>> from them! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alias >>>>> >>>>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>>>> - Linus Torvalds >>>>> >>>>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] >>>> >>>> >>>> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >>>> it has cost MS dear.. >>>> >>>> >>> Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then >>> how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this >>> ng >>> been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a >>> eula? >>> >>> -- >>> norm[/color] >> >> >> We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that >> there >> was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, however, >> two things which we do know. >> >> 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft >> 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus >> should they feel the need.. :-)[/color] > > My first thought on looking at the article was that Microsoft might have > independently hit on the same theft-prevention technique. I have done a > similar thing, when what I "invented" was (a) pretty obvious, and (b) > covered by a patent. In my case, my boss knew about the patent and stopped > me... > > Which pretty much agrees with what you said, Mike. > > Still - they could have done it knowingly, n'est-ce pas? > > I also wonder if it will be appealed further by MS... > > Maybe we could also start a long OT subthread about the iniquities and > inequities of out patent system and other IP systems. (I hope not, and I > promise not to post further if it happens!) > > -- > Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom[/color] Gene That is what I was thinking exactly. There can't be too many ways to make a system that prevents piracy.. -- Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url] |
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04-09-2009, 09:20 PM
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| Re: Microsoft Fined for stealing Activation Program. "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message news:eeHnYwYuJHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue] > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:[color=green] >> "norm" <noone@nowhere.net> wrote in message >> news:u8mu7cYuJHA.4488@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...[color=darkred] >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote: >>>> "The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly Known as Nina >>>> DiBoy'" <me211@privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:grm84p$tgk$1@aioe.org... >>>>> Alias wrote: >>>>>> [url]http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9131339[/url] >>>>>> Now ain't that nice, MS gets fined for stealing WPA. The irony! MS >>>>>> gets conviction of stealing the program they use to make sure no one >>>>>> steals from them! >>>>>> >>>>>> Alias >>>>> >>>>> Oh, that is priceless! Thanks for sharing. :) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Software is like sex, it's better when it's free." >>>>> - Linus Torvalds >>>>> >>>>> DRM and unintended consequences: >>>>> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101[/url] >>>> >>>> >>>> Its states an infringement of a patent, not theft directly. Either way, >>>> it has cost MS dear.. >>>> >>>> >>> Maybe I misunderstand, but if infringing on a patent is not theft, then >>> how is not adhering to a eula theft? How many times have people in this >>> ng been called thieves because they are outside of the parameters of a >>> eula? >>> >>> -- >>> norm[/color] >> >> >> We are not party to how the patent was infringed, that is to say that >> there was no reference to MS knowingly using Uniloc's code. There are, >> however, two things which we do know. >> >> 1. The jurors do not like Microsoft >> 2. The directors of Uniloc will be able to pay themselves a nice bonus >> should they feel the need.. :-) >> >>[/color] > But why is one issue not considered "theft" and the other is? It is not a > question of who likes whom or of bonuses. Is not being in compliance with > a eula theft or not? > > -- > norm[/color] Norm You are assuming that Microsoft looked at anything Uniloc, and thought 'to hell with it, we will do what we like' There may be some substance in the above, but we do not know for sure, so it is wrong to make the assumption that MS deliberately set out to 'steal' the idea.. -- Mike Hall - MVP Windows Experience [url]http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/[/url] |
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