For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and Vista
(I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).

Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA

Purchase and install a second hard drive and install Windows Vista on it exclusively.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

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"Thor" wrote:

| For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and Vista
| (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
|
| Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA

That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:uip%23VKGOHHA.1248@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Purchase and install a second hard drive and install Windows Vista on it
> exclusively.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
> Microsoft Community Newsgroups
> news://msnews.microsoft.com/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Thor" wrote:
>
> | For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and
> Vista
> | (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
> |
> | Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>
>

I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
are 100% independent of each others boot loader.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Shell/User

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"Colin Barnhorst" wrote:

That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.

Strange...I have XP on a 'separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard
drive'. I can also configure the BIOS to boot to either...but that doesn't
stop them from seeing each other, without a boot manager that hides Vista
when booting to XP. No need to hide XP from Vista.

John

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:067F2189-3442-44A3-9867-41925D5589C4@microsoft.com...
>I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
> dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
> separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
> I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
> PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
> are 100% independent of each others boot loader.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
> That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.
>
>

"Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and Vista
> (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>
> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA

If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
you can turn-off the boot up authentication.

Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn off".
This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.

-Michael

Thanks for that Michael. I don't know if that little tid bit had been up
here before. i haven't played with Bit Locker and that makes it easier.

CH


"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:ONj8Q7KOHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message
> news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and
>> Vista (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>>
>> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>
> If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
> you can turn-off the boot up authentication.
> Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
> be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn
> off".
> This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
> have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
> off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
> Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.
>
> -Michael

You're welcome, Chad. I have posted that before, several times.

I think some folks feel intimated/confused about BitLocker and
are scared of using it. I haven't experienced any issues with
BitLocker, and once you turn off the authentication at boot up,
you forget that your Vista volume is even encrypted.

The beauty of it- your shadow copies, restore points, previous file versions
stay protected, and Vista can still access XP's volume just fine.


-Michael

"Chad Harris" <getsomevistainfoout.net> wrote in message
news:uBAwEELOHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for that Michael. I don't know if that little tid bit had been up here before. i
> haven't played with Bit Locker and that makes it easier.
>
> CH
>
>
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:ONj8Q7KOHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and Vista (I don't have a
>>> TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>>>
>>> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>>
>> If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
>> you can turn-off the boot up authentication.
>> Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
>> be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn off".
>> This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
>> have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
>> off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
>> Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.
>>
>> -Michael
>
>

Yes, you are very experienced and can do that yourself but it is not good
general advice, IMHO. As a general solution I prefer the advice that dual
booting XP and Vista may lead to the loss of the means to recover valuable
data in the event of the need to do so.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:067F2189-3442-44A3-9867-41925D5589C4@microsoft.com...
>I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
> dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
> separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
> I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
> PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
> are 100% independent of each others boot loader.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
> That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.
>
>

Colin,
Is it only the System Restore capability that is affected? If I were to dual
boot (separate hard drives), back up each drive regularly, wouldn't I be OK?
TIA
BChat



"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:eviMwpLOHHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
Yes, you are very experienced and can do that yourself but it is not good
general advice, IMHO. As a general solution I prefer the advice that dual
booting XP and Vista may lead to the loss of the means to recover valuable
data in the event of the need to do so.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:067F2189-3442-44A3-9867-41925D5589C4@microsoft.com...
>I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
> dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
> separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
> I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
> PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
> are 100% independent of each others boot loader.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Shell/User
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>
> That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.
>
>

Michael:
I agree with you fully about BitLocker working in a multi-boot
scenario. I haven't turned off BitLocker, I just leave the USB key plugged
in without problems. There is one problem with BitLocker, it's only
available with Enterprise and Ultimate. Since this group deals with all
versions of Vista that means that there has to be two recommendations for
multi-booting. Use BitLocker if available or use a third party boot-manager.
Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
Office2007
"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:ONj8Q7KOHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message
> news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and
>> Vista (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>>
>> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>
> If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
> you can turn-off the boot up authentication.
> Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
> be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn
> off".
> This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
> have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
> off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
> Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.
>
> -Michael

Yes, you are correct. I do think it is a shame Microsoft did not
at least include BitLocker in the Business version, too.

Take care,

Michael

"Dennis Pack" <dennispack********.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:B29DE699-FF5A-4CC7-8CE1-CDBA03CC4D67@microsoft.com...
> Michael:
> I agree with you fully about BitLocker working in a multi-boot scenario. I haven't
> turned off BitLocker, I just leave the USB key plugged in without problems. There is one
> problem with BitLocker, it's only available with Enterprise and Ultimate. Since this group
> deals with all versions of Vista that means that there has to be two recommendations for
> multi-booting. Use BitLocker if available or use a third party boot-manager. Have a great
> day.
>
> --
> Dennis Pack
> XP x64, Vista Enterprise x64
> Office2007
> "MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
> news:ONj8Q7KOHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
>> "Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and Vista (I don't have a
>>> TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>>>
>>> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>>
>> If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
>> you can turn-off the boot up authentication.
>> Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
>> be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn off".
>> This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
>> have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
>> off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
>> Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.
>>
>> -Michael
>

System Restore is only one of the victims. It affects all VSS related files
such as backups, CompletePC Backup images, shadow copies, etc. Google
"Volume Shadowcopy Service" to get an idea of just how extensive this is.

Backups are called "a good thing."

"BChat" <not@available.com> wrote in message
news:eRLx7DMOHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Colin,
> Is it only the System Restore capability that is affected? If I were to
> dual
> boot (separate hard drives), back up each drive regularly, wouldn't I be
> OK?
> TIA
> BChat
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eviMwpLOHHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes, you are very experienced and can do that yourself but it is not good
> general advice, IMHO. As a general solution I prefer the advice that dual
> booting XP and Vista may lead to the loss of the means to recover valuable
> data in the event of the need to do so.
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:067F2189-3442-44A3-9867-41925D5589C4@microsoft.com...
>>I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
>> dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
>> separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
>> I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
>> PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
>> are 100% independent of each others boot loader.
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>> That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.
>>
>>
>
>

Michael, that is an interesting solution.
However, it assumes that the Vista drive is already encrypted, correct?
I cannot find a way to encrypt the drive without using a TPM or USB drive.

"MICHAEL" <u158627_emr@dslr.net> wrote in message
news:ONj8Q7KOHHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> "Thor" <valhalla@sweden.comm> wrote in message
> news:uYVloEGOHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> For me, BitLocker isn't a convenient way to dual boot between XP and
>> Vista (I don't have a TPM and don't want to use the USB option).
>>
>> Are there free boot manager programs that will work? TIA
>
> If you want to use BitLocker just to protect your restore points-
> you can turn-off the boot up authentication.
> Go into BitLocker's settings, select turn-off BitLocker. You will
> be given two choices, "turn off" BitLocker or "decrypt". Select "turn
> off".
> This way, your Vista volume stays encrypted and protected, but you don't
> have to worry about TPM or a USB drive for the key. Turn off only turns
> off the boot authentication or the need for the long password.
> Vista stays encrypted and protected from XP's tomfoolery.
>
> -Michael

Thank You
backups are VERY good things


"Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
news:%23a9Bc1MOHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
System Restore is only one of the victims. It affects all VSS related files
such as backups, CompletePC Backup images, shadow copies, etc. Google
"Volume Shadowcopy Service" to get an idea of just how extensive this is.

Backups are called "a good thing."

"BChat" <not@available.com> wrote in message
news:eRLx7DMOHHA.420@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Colin,
> Is it only the System Restore capability that is affected? If I were to
> dual
> boot (separate hard drives), back up each drive regularly, wouldn't I be
> OK?
> TIA
> BChat
>
>
>
> "Colin Barnhorst" <colinbarharst@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:eviMwpLOHHA.140@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Yes, you are very experienced and can do that yourself but it is not good
> general advice, IMHO. As a general solution I prefer the advice that dual
> booting XP and Vista may lead to the loss of the means to recover valuable
> data in the event of the need to do so.
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:067F2189-3442-44A3-9867-41925D5589C4@microsoft.com...
>>I don't have any sort of problem with the volsnap.sys issue on my
>> dual hard drive configuration. Windows XP is installed on a
>> separate EIDE hard drive and Vista on a SATA hard drive. All
>> I have to do is open the BIOS and make a quick change to the
>> PATA/SATA startup preference. That way, Windows XP and Windows Vista
>> are 100% independent of each others boot loader.
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Shell/User
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Colin Barnhorst" wrote:
>>
>> That won't resolve the volsnap.sys issue.
>>
>>
>
>