I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or is
it vistanic?

[url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]

The British government's schools computer agency has warned that deploying
Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.

The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said Wednesday
that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's latest
operating system within the next 12 months.

In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
"must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."

Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There is
not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical stable."
Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London, McMullan added:
"There are lots of incremental improvements, but there are no must-haves
that justify early deployment."

The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being launched
alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many new features
in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only useful in the
private sector.

Microsoft waved aside such caution.

Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."

Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts of
20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.

Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London

You can do better than this. Who would listen to what a government agency
would recommend? This might be the best recommendation I've heard to switch
to Vista yet.



"michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or is
>it vistanic?
>
> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>
> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that deploying
> Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>
> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>
> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>
> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there are
> no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>
> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many new
> features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only useful in
> the private sector.
>
> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>
> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>
> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>
> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>
>[/color]

you will see many similar reactions from all over the place in the following
weeks.

as I predicted months ago I might add! lol

"Roscoe" <me@home.net> wrote in message
news:E75A892B-EB6C-4503-9DB7-B687A22A8534@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> You can do better than this. Who would listen to what a government agency
> would recommend? This might be the best recommendation I've heard to
> switch to Vista yet.
>
>
>
> "michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
> news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or
>>is it vistanic?
>>
>> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>>
>> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that
>> deploying Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>>
>> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
>> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
>> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>>
>> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
>> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
>> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
>> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>>
>> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
>> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
>> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
>> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there
>> are no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>>
>> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
>> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many
>> new features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only
>> useful in the private sector.
>>
>> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>>
>> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
>> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
>> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>>
>> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
>> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
>> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>>
>> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

You know, I remember the same nonsense when Windows 95, 2000 and XP came
out.

"Don't buy it!". "There's no drivers!". "It's unstable!". "Your software
won't work!". All complete and utter nonsense of course. And, in time, the
new OS is accepted - then it's liked - then the same people who bad-mouthed
it deny they ever told people to avoid it.

I've been using Vista for a month and it's fine. In fact, it's great. And
anyone who uses knows it is.

Bobby

"michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or is
>it vistanic?
>
> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>
> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that deploying
> Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>
> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>
> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>
> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there are
> no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>
> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many new
> features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only useful in
> the private sector.
>
> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>
> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>
> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>
> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>
>[/color]

unless youre a fake russian posting from greece... probably a turk in
hiding, thats what they usually do

LOL


loving vista so far.. NO driver problem and i benchmark faster than in XP


"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
news:eIY0hUoNHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> You know, I remember the same nonsense when Windows 95, 2000 and XP came
> out.
>
> "Don't buy it!". "There's no drivers!". "It's unstable!". "Your software
> won't work!". All complete and utter nonsense of course. And, in time, the
> new OS is accepted - then it's liked - then the same people who
> bad-mouthed it deny they ever told people to avoid it.
>
> I've been using Vista for a month and it's fine. In fact, it's great. And
> anyone who uses knows it is.
>
> Bobby
>
> "michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
> news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or
>>is it vistanic?
>>
>> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>>
>> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that
>> deploying Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>>
>> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
>> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
>> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>>
>> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
>> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
>> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
>> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>>
>> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
>> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
>> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
>> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there
>> are no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>>
>> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
>> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many
>> new features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only
>> useful in the private sector.
>>
>> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>>
>> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
>> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
>> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>>
>> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
>> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
>> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>>
>> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

Maybe Congress will revise the wiretapping laws and Vista will have to be
scrapped suddenly!

Howz that AMD-ATI thing going with Intel anyway? All those hundreds of mobos
I've been waiting 6 months for were never made! Intel revoked the license of ATI
to use Intel chips!

"Troy McClure" <nun@4u.com> wrote in message
news:uHIfXboNHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> unless youre a fake russian posting from greece...[/color]

What do you mean?

--
Alexander Suhovey

Troy is making fun of everybody who is in other locations races or colors
from him.
Here is one his posts because one poster had a site from Easter island...
Troy McClure thinks he is some hotshot... he is truly pathetic :-( I can
only frown on people who think like this.
look at what he said because someone had a site with a .CX domain>>>>>

Troy McClure said:

where the hell is .CX anyway? do people that live here even have indoor
plumbing??
----------------

Troy you should judge people for their integrity of heart. Not from
location, nationality
race or color.


"Alexander Suhovey" <asuhovey******.com> wrote in message
news:5005CB87-60BC-4EAE-9712-129BBC64E467@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> "Troy McClure" <nun@4u.com> wrote in message
> news:uHIfXboNHHA.3944@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> unless youre a fake russian posting from greece...[/color]
>
> What do you mean?
>
> --
> Alexander Suhovey[/color]

On 12/01/2007 in message <eIY0hUoNHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> Bobby
wrote:
[color=blue]
>You know, I remember the same nonsense when Windows 95, 2000 and XP came
>out.
>
>"Don't buy it!". "There's no drivers!". "It's unstable!". "Your software
>won't work!". All complete and utter nonsense of course. And, in time, the
>new OS is accepted - then it's liked - then the same people who
>bad-mouthed it deny they ever told people to avoid it.[/color]

What he said was:
[color=blue][color=green]
>>The British government's schools computer agency has warned that deploying
>> Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>>
>>The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
>>Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
>>latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>>
>>In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
>>"must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
>>organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
>>this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."[/color][/color]

Certainly there are no drivers for some of my hardware and 80% of my apps
don't work, so the advice given seems very sensible. No commercial
organisation is going to rush into Vista until it's undergone its final
beta test with the public.

--
Jeff Gaines

"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
news:eIY0hUoNHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> You know, I remember the same nonsense when Windows 95, 2000 and XP came
> out.
>
> "Don't buy it!". "There's no drivers!". "It's unstable!". "Your software
> won't work!". All complete and utter nonsense of course. And, in time, the
> new OS is accepted - then it's liked - then the same people who
> bad-mouthed it deny they ever told people to avoid it.
>
> I've been using Vista for a month and it's fine. In fact, it's great. And
> anyone who uses knows it is.[/color]

Agreed. I know some may have problems, but I'd rather use my Vista machine
than any other.

[color=blue]
>
> Bobby
>
> "michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
> news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or
>>is it vistanic?
>>
>> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>>
>> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that
>> deploying Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>>
>> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
>> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
>> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>>
>> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
>> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
>> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
>> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>>
>> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
>> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
>> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
>> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there
>> are no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>>
>> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
>> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many
>> new features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only
>> useful in the private sector.
>>
>> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>>
>> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
>> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
>> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>>
>> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
>> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
>> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>>
>> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>>
>>[/color]
>[/color]

"80% of my apps don't work"
Interesting, you are the only one I have heard with such dismal
compatibility.

You should either:
Wait for your slow manufacturers to fix their products or stay with your
current OS.
Update to more recent versions of the programs
Or better yet contact the manufacturers of your programs and ask why they
have not been doing their job to allow their customers the choice they need.

Better yet, I would suggest migrating from such products if they have no
intention of meeting compatibility.

If I had such poor compatibility, I would look closely at what I use and why
the program manufacturers seem so slow for what I use.
I would definitely be moving to different more reliable programs.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0f14tcb1yrdb002@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 12/01/2007 in message <eIY0hUoNHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> Bobby
> Certainly there are no drivers for some of my hardware and 80% of my apps
> don't work, so the advice given seems very sensible. No commercial
> organisation is going to rush into Vista until it's undergone its final
> beta test with the public.
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

"michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
news:euzN61oNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Troy is making fun of everybody who is in other locations races or colors
> from him.
> Here is one his posts because one poster had a site from Easter island...
> Troy McClure thinks he is some hotshot... he is truly pathetic :-( I can[/color]


I do imagine him as a redneck, sitting on the toilet with a laptop.

ss.

On 13/01/2007 in message <uuWHoeqNHHA.4152@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Jupiter
Jones [MVP] wrote:
[color=blue]
>"80% of my apps don't work"
>Interesting, you are the only one I have heard with such dismal
>compatibility.[/color]

There is a tendency in this group for people to only hear what they want
to hear. I use apps that I have tried and tested, most of which were
released before bloat became such an issue.
[color=blue]
>You should either:
>Wait for your slow manufacturers to fix their products or stay with your
>current OS.[/color]

MS Office 97 is an issue, you think MS will make it compatible, perhaps
we'll get another service release to replace SR2 which won't install.
[color=blue]
>Update to more recent versions of the programs[/color]

Why, they do what I want them to.
[color=blue]
>Or better yet contact the manufacturers of your programs and ask why they
>have not been doing their job to allow their customers the choice they
>need.[/color]

You think MS will tell me why the Office 97 SR2 won't install?
[color=blue]
>Better yet, I would suggest migrating from such products if they have no
>intention of meeting compatibility.[/color]

I am trying Open Office 2, it's quite a good replacement for MS Office.
[color=blue]
>If I had such poor compatibility, I would look closely at what I use and
>why the program manufacturers seem so slow for what I use.
>I would definitely be moving to different more reliable programs.[/color]

Or possibly a more intelligent OS?

--
Jeff Gaines

"There is a tendency in this group for people to only hear..."
Sometimes, and you demonstrate that very trait by ignoring the second
paragraph of my post.

You seem to want 100% backwards compatibility which is impossible if there
is to be any progress.
Interesting that you only list one program and it is 10 years old.
Are all the "80%" so old?
If so that is the answer.

Office has been fixed, there are newer versions for those that need
Microsoft Office with Vista.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
[url]http://www3.telus.net/dandemar[/url]
[url]http://www.dts-l.org[/url]


"Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroups.nospam> wrote in message
news:xn0f15axe306u3007@msnews.microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> On 13/01/2007 in message <uuWHoeqNHHA.4152@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl> Jupiter
> Jones [MVP] wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"80% of my apps don't work"
>>Interesting, you are the only one I have heard with such dismal
>>compatibility.[/color]
>
> There is a tendency in this group for people to only hear what they want
> to hear. I use apps that I have tried and tested, most of which were
> released before bloat became such an issue.
>[color=green]
>>You should either:
>>Wait for your slow manufacturers to fix their products or stay with your
>>current OS.[/color]
>
> MS Office 97 is an issue, you think MS will make it compatible, perhaps
> we'll get another service release to replace SR2 which won't install.
>[color=green]
>>Update to more recent versions of the programs[/color]
>
> Why, they do what I want them to.
>[color=green]
>>Or better yet contact the manufacturers of your programs and ask why they
>>have not been doing their job to allow their customers the choice they
>>need.[/color]
>
> You think MS will tell me why the Office 97 SR2 won't install?
>[color=green]
>>Better yet, I would suggest migrating from such products if they have no
>>intention of meeting compatibility.[/color]
>
> I am trying Open Office 2, it's quite a good replacement for MS Office.
>[color=green]
>>If I had such poor compatibility, I would look closely at what I use and
>>why the program manufacturers seem so slow for what I use.
>>I would definitely be moving to different more reliable programs.[/color]
>
> Or possibly a more intelligent OS?
>
> --
> Jeff Gaines[/color]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 15:18:36 -0500, "Troy McClure" <nun@4u.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
>unless youre a fake russian posting from greece... probably a turk in
>hiding, thats what they usually do
>
>LOL
>[/color]
Are you posting from Brookings, SD? I see your posts go through the
SDSU server.

Charlie[color=blue]
>
>loving vista so far.. NO driver problem and i benchmark faster than in XP
>
>
>"Bobby" <bobby@europe.com> wrote in message
>news:eIY0hUoNHHA.4172@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> You know, I remember the same nonsense when Windows 95, 2000 and XP came
>> out.
>>
>> "Don't buy it!". "There's no drivers!". "It's unstable!". "Your software
>> won't work!". All complete and utter nonsense of course. And, in time, the
>> new OS is accepted - then it's liked - then the same people who
>> bad-mouthed it deny they ever told people to avoid it.
>>
>> I've been using Vista for a month and it's fine. In fact, it's great. And
>> anyone who uses knows it is.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> "michail iakovou yos" <1@1.1> wrote in message
>> news:e4OpyinNHHA.780@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>>I hear some strange squeaky noises from the hull of our ship titanic or
>>>is it vistanic?
>>>
>>> [url]http://news.com.com/British+agency+tells+schools+to+avoid+Vista/2100-1016_3-6149401.html?tag=html.alert[/url]
>>>
>>> The British government's schools computer agency has warned that
>>> deploying Vista carries too much risk and that its benefits are unclear.
>>>
>>> The British Educational Communications and Technology Agency said
>>> Wednesday that it "strongly recommends" schools do not deploy Microsoft's
>>> latest operating system within the next 12 months.
>>>
>>> In a further dig at Microsoft, the agency asserts that there are no
>>> "must-have" features in Vista and that "technical, financial and
>>> organizational challenges associated with early deployment currently make
>>> this (Vista) a high-risk strategy."
>>>
>>> Tom McMullan, a technical consultant at the agency, told ZDNet UK: "There
>>> is not a case for schools to deploy it unless it is mission-critical
>>> stable." Speaking at this week's BETT education trade show in London,
>>> McMullan added: "There are lots of incremental improvements, but there
>>> are no must-haves that justify early deployment."
>>>
>>> The agency was similarly dismissive of Office 2007, which is being
>>> launched alongside Vista. Although it acknowledged that there are many
>>> new features in Office 2007, the agency said most of these were only
>>> useful in the private sector.
>>>
>>> Microsoft waved aside such caution.
>>>
>>> Steve Beswick, Microsoft's director of education for the U.K., told ZDNet
>>> UK: "Customers should evaluate Vista and test it and decide 'Is this good
>>> for learning?' Roll-out shouldn't be stopped if it aids learning."
>>>
>>> Earlier this month, the government agency renewed its Memorandum of
>>> Understanding with Microsoft for another year. It gives schools discounts
>>> of 20 percent to 37 percent on the company's software products.
>>>
>>> Richard Thurston of ZDNet UK reported from London
>>>
>>>[/color]
>>[/color][/color]