Exactly my question. Thanks Tom.

"Tom Porterfield" <tpporter@mvps.org> wrote in message
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> ""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:13OdjITNHHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Hello Colin,
>> What questions are you looking to be answered with this scenario?
>> What options are presented to the user? ( upgrade or clean install)
>> I presume running setup from within a running Windows 2000 Pro machine.[/color]
>
>
> I think the question is, at least for me, if you have Windows 2000
> installed and want to use Vista upgrade x86, how do you do the install?
> According the upgrade matrix you do qualify for the upgrade version of
> vista but you must do a clean install, what Colin has been calling a
> migration. So do you start the setup within W2K and get advanced options
> or do you boot from the Vista DVD in a manner similar to an upgrade from
> 32-bit XP to 64-bit Vista.
> --
> Tom Porterfield[/color]

Tom phrased it well. The answer would go a long way towards clarifying the
upgrade edition behaviour when the 32bit legacy OS is not XP or is an XP
that will result in loss of functionality (a yellow dot in the upgrade
matrix). The experiences people have had with upgrades so far have been
with upgrades to Ultimate using a full edition product key because that has
been all that they have had to work with.

My key questions have been:
(1) Is an upgrade edition product key sufficient for migrating from 32bit
Win2k or XP to Vista 64bit (on a 64bit capable machine, of course)?
(2) In the yellow-dot scenarios on the Upgrade Matrix on Get Ready will
installation of Vista continue from a dvd boot or will the "run from
desktop" message appear? You did not say what edition product key you used
in your experiment so I am wondering if that would have made a difference.
How does is go when I use a Home Premium upgrade edition product key to
migrate from XP Pro SP2, for example, since that is a loss of functionality
and falls into the yellow-dot portion of the matrix?

I have tried to come by some upgrade edition product keys so I could run all
these scenarios using virtual machines but that has been a no go. It's too
bad that MSDN doesn't provide them.

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:13OdjITNHHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hello Colin,
> What questions are you looking to be answered with this scenario?
> What options are presented to the user? ( upgrade or clean install)
> I presume running setup from within a running Windows 2000 Pro machine.
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights[/color]

Hello Tom,
With the 32-bit DVD (x86) you have to be inside the existing OS(Windows
2000), you cannot boot from the DVD and use an Upgrade Product key.
If you have Windows 2000 installed and you start setup of Windows Vista
(32-bit) from inside Windows, you will only be offered the option to do a
custom installation.
If you boot from a 32-bit Windows Vista DVD and enter an Upgrade product
key, you will get the following message:
" To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
existing version of Windows."
Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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|>""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|>news:13OdjITNHHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
|>> Hello Colin,
|>> What questions are you looking to be answered with this scenario?
|>> What options are presented to the user? ( upgrade or clean install)
|>> I presume running setup from within a running Windows 2000 Pro machine.
|>
|>
|>I think the question is, at least for me, if you have Windows 2000
installed
|>and want to use Vista upgrade x86, how do you do the install? According
the
|>upgrade matrix you do qualify for the upgrade version of vista but you
must
|>do a clean install, what Colin has been calling a migration. So do you
|>start the setup within W2K and get advanced options or do you boot from
the
|>Vista DVD in a manner similar to an upgrade from 32-bit XP to 64-bit
Vista.
|>--
|>Tom Porterfield
|>
|>

Hello Colin,
Tom was asking for 32-bit upgrade behavior from inside Windows 2000 or
booting from a DVD.
I installed Windows 2000 and Windows XP 32-bit versions.
I booted to a Windows Vista 32-bit DVD and used an upgrade product key.
I get the following message after entering the product key.
" To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
existing version of Windows."
My only choices at this point are to enter a different product key ( full
package product key) or to boot into Windows and then run setup.
1) I booted to a Windows Vista x64 DVD and used a Windows Ultimate upgrade
Product Key.
I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows XP
64-bit
I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows XP
32-bit
I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows
Vista Enterprise edition.
2)I used a Windows Ultimate Upgrade Product key. that is the only Upgrade
product key I have available to me.
If you were using Home Premium Upgrade product key and you had Windows XP
Professional installed
Presuming this is based on the chart:
[url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url]
If you start Windows Vista setup from within a qualifying OS and it
requires a clean installation as per the chart, you will only be offered a
custom install.
If you boot the DVD to a 32-bit version of Windows Visa,
I get the following message after entering the product key.
" To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
existing version of Windows."
My only choices at this point are to enter a different product key ( full
package product key) or to boot into Windows and then run setup.


Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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|>Tom phrased it well. The answer would go a long way towards clarifying
the
|>upgrade edition behaviour when the 32bit legacy OS is not XP or is an XP
|>that will result in loss of functionality (a yellow dot in the upgrade
|>matrix). The experiences people have had with upgrades so far have been
|>with upgrades to Ultimate using a full edition product key because that
has
|>been all that they have had to work with.
|>
|>My key questions have been:
|>(1) Is an upgrade edition product key sufficient for migrating from 32bit
|>Win2k or XP to Vista 64bit (on a 64bit capable machine, of course)?
|>(2) In the yellow-dot scenarios on the Upgrade Matrix on Get Ready will
|>installation of Vista continue from a dvd boot or will the "run from
|>desktop" message appear? You did not say what edition product key you
used
|>in your experiment so I am wondering if that would have made a
difference.
|>How does is go when I use a Home Premium upgrade edition product key to
|>migrate from XP Pro SP2, for example, since that is a loss of
functionality
|>and falls into the yellow-dot portion of the matrix?
|>
|>I have tried to come by some upgrade edition product keys so I could run
all
|>these scenarios using virtual machines but that has been a no go. It's
too
|>bad that MSDN doesn't provide them.
|>
|>""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
|>news:13OdjITNHHA.2080@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
|>> Hello Colin,
|>> What questions are you looking to be answered with this scenario?
|>> What options are presented to the user? ( upgrade or clean install)
|>> I presume running setup from within a running Windows 2000 Pro machine.
|>> Thanks,
|>> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
|>>
|>> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
|>
|>

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:egDYLIfNHHA.4020@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hello Tom,
> With the 32-bit DVD (x86) you have to be inside the existing OS(Windows
> 2000), you cannot boot from the DVD and use an Upgrade Product key.
> If you have Windows 2000 installed and you start setup of Windows Vista
> (32-bit) from inside Windows, you will only be offered the option to do a
> custom installation.
> If you boot from a 32-bit Windows Vista DVD and enter an Upgrade product
> key, you will get the following message:
> " To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
> existing version of Windows."[/color]


Many thanks Darrell for taking the time to run the tests and to post the
results. It will help us answer the inevitable questions that will come up
about this topic.
--
Tom Porterfield

Excellent! Thanks, Darrel!

By the way, don't EVER try doing a custom install of an x86 edition of Vista
into a volume already containing an x64 edition of XP (or Vista). I know,
only a goof like me would try that.

The good news is that it works. The bad news is that it works. But you
ought to see the Program Files and Program Files (x86) folders afterwards.
The punch line is that there shouldn't be any Program Files (x86)
folder...but there sure is. And it isn't empty.

""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:SdZaGUfNHHA.2300@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hello Colin,
> Tom was asking for 32-bit upgrade behavior from inside Windows 2000 or
> booting from a DVD.
> I installed Windows 2000 and Windows XP 32-bit versions.
> I booted to a Windows Vista 32-bit DVD and used an upgrade product key.
> I get the following message after entering the product key.
> " To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
> existing version of Windows."
> My only choices at this point are to enter a different product key ( full
> package product key) or to boot into Windows and then run setup.
> 1) I booted to a Windows Vista x64 DVD and used a Windows Ultimate upgrade
> Product Key.
> I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows XP
> 64-bit
> I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows XP
> 32-bit
> I was allowed to proceed to install when the underlying OS was Windows
> Vista Enterprise edition.
> 2)I used a Windows Ultimate Upgrade Product key. that is the only Upgrade
> product key I have available to me.
> If you were using Home Premium Upgrade product key and you had Windows XP
> Professional installed
> Presuming this is based on the chart:
> [url]http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/upgradeinfo.mspx[/url]
> If you start Windows Vista setup from within a qualifying OS and it
> requires a clean installation as per the chart, you will only be offered a
> custom install.
> If you boot the DVD to a 32-bit version of Windows Visa,
> I get the following message after entering the product key.
> " To use the product key you entered, start the installation from your
> existing version of Windows."
> My only choices at this point are to enter a different product key ( full
> package product key) or to boot into Windows and then run setup.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>[/color]