I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
any such discussions, so here it is:

Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.

By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
about this . . .

If you're referring to the sleep icon in the Start menu... well... that's
what it is... a sleep button, not a shutdown button. Yeah, confusing... but
if you look at the icon, it looks different from the Shut Down icon one sees
when one logs off the PC. The sleep button is a circle with a verticle line
going through the top end of the circle. The shut down icon is a circle
totally enclosing a vertical line.

Lang


"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:%23pspCCvMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed any
> such discussions, so here it is:
>
> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7, using
> sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>
> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
> about this . . .[/color]

I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this issue
with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.

Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in Vista
all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the PC is
completely shut down.

I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.

"Daze N. Knights" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
> any such discussions, so here it is:
>
> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>
> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
> about this . . .
>[/color]

Hi Daze,

See:

Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista Power Management:
[url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2006/12/08/windows-vista-power-management.aspx[/url]

<quote>
Remember the top goal here is to make sure that we can enable a fast on experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off experience, while still making sure that you don't lose your work when a Windows PC is turned off.
</quote>

To change the behavior of Start menu Power button:

Turn off a computer: frequently asked questions:
[url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/335c6a5d-0304-4af1-b135-6bf6c124dc111033.mspx[/url]

Change the functionality of Power and Sleep buttons in Windows Vista:
[url]http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/102/1/[/url]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference[/color][/color]

Ditto here. I've already re-configured the option anyway.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting [url]http://www.winhelponline.com[/url]


"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message news:%23pspCCvMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
any such discussions, so here it is:

Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.

By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
about this . . .

One of the reasons (not all) to put your computer into
sleep mode is to keep the fans operating in
'high humidity' areas of the globe.
Several people I know never turn their computers
off, but go in to 'sleep mode' to keep any
condensation moving around.
Now with Vista on the market and the heat
(not all systems) generated from the graphics
card, it appears wise not to turn your computer off
straight after it being in full production. I can fully
understand 24/7 users leaving their systems running,
if not for this reason, but for ease of operations when
and if required. Just think of the amount of 'servers'
world wide that are never turned off even with a
power failure (UPS) engaged, and are encassed in an
air-conditioned environment.
Personally, my system just goes to sleep on my command
and takes 10 seconds to be fully available afterwards.
As far as costs go, I have not seen any great increase in
daily electicity use. Don't know for sure, but I would
think it would be beneficial for your hard drive/s to wake
from 'sleep' rather than a full power-up ??
I am sure others will have their opinions as well.

regards




"Daze N. Knights" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
> any such discussions, so here it is:
>
> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>
> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
> about this . . .
>[/color]

My cell phone takes 10 secs to power down and 1 min to boot up, its a spv
600 running windows mobile :D.




STeve
"Ramesh, MS-MVP" <ramesh@XOX.mvps.org> wrote in message
news:eIDmbzwMHHA.1008@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Hi Daze,

See:

Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista Power Management:
[url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2006/12/08/windows-vista-power-management.aspx[/url]

<quote>
Remember the top goal here is to make sure that we can enable a fast on
experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off experience, while still
making sure that you don't lose your work when a Windows PC is turned off.
</quote>

To change the behavior of Start menu Power button:

Turn off a computer: frequently asked questions:
[url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/335c6a5d-0304-4af1-b135-6bf6c124dc111033.mspx[/url]

Change the functionality of Power and Sleep buttons in Windows Vista:
[url]http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/102/1/[/url]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference[/color][/color]

Ditto here. I've already re-configured the option anyway.

--
Regards,

Ramesh Srinivasan, Microsoft MVP [Windows XP Shell/User]
Windows® XP Troubleshooting [url]http://www.winhelponline.com[/url]


"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:%23pspCCvMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
any such discussions, so here it is:

Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.

By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
about this . . .

Ah. I hadn't made the icon distinction. Thanks for pointing it out.

Lang Murphy wrote:[color=blue]
> If you're referring to the sleep icon in the Start menu... well...
> that's what it is... a sleep button, not a shutdown button. Yeah,
> confusing... but
> if you look at the icon, it looks different from the Shut Down icon one
> sees when one logs off the PC. The sleep button is a circle with a
> verticle line going through the top end of the circle. The shut down
> icon is a circle totally enclosing a vertical line.
>
> Lang
>
>
> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
> news:%23pspCCvMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>
>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for
>> years. While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on
>> 24/7, using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>
>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>> about this . . .[/color]
>[/color]

I don't see a hibernate mode available in Vista.

I've just installed Vista RTM on two machines. One of them--1.8GHz
Pentium 4 with 768MB RAM--had been sitting on, but inactive, for a few
hours yesterday, and it went to sleep. When I tried to wake it up, it
wouldn't. I shook the mouse like crazy and tapped on the keyboard, all
to no avail. I finally had to hit the restart button, but, after
rebooting, the monitor came up blank. So I restarted again and, this
time, got the option to go to Windows in normal mode or . . . So, I went
to Windows in normal mode, and then all was OK.

Rob wrote:[color=blue]
> I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this issue
> with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.
>
> Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
> instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in Vista
> all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the PC is
> completely shut down.
>
> I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.
>
> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>
>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>
>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>> about this . . .
>>[/color][/color]

Thanks for the link, Ramesh. I think I'll reconfigure the option on my
own computer, as well. I'm mostly trying to think through this to decide
how best to advise my clients, who are all home or small business
computer users.

Ramesh, MS-MVP wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi Daze,
>
> See:
>
> Windows Vista Team Blog : Windows Vista Power Management:
> [url]http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2006/12/08/windows-vista-power-management.aspx[/url]
>
> <quote>
> Remember the top goal here is to make sure that we can enable a fast on experience (like your cell phone) and a fast off experience, while still making sure that you don't lose your work when a Windows PC is turned off.
> </quote>
>
> To change the behavior of Start menu Power button:
>
> Turn off a computer: frequently asked questions:
> [url]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/335c6a5d-0304-4af1-b135-6bf6c124dc111033.mspx[/url]
>
> Change the functionality of Power and Sleep buttons in Windows Vista:
> [url]http://www.winhelponline.com/articles/102/1/[/url]
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference[/color][/color]
>
> Ditto here. I've already re-configured the option anyway.
>[/color]

I can see the "high humidity" thing, which, however, doesn't apply to my
neck of the woods.

LoneWolf wrote:[color=blue]
> One of the reasons (not all) to put your computer into
> sleep mode is to keep the fans operating in
> 'high humidity' areas of the globe.
> Several people I know never turn their computers
> off, but go in to 'sleep mode' to keep any
> condensation moving around.
> Now with Vista on the market and the heat
> (not all systems) generated from the graphics
> card, it appears wise not to turn your computer off
> straight after it being in full production. I can fully
> understand 24/7 users leaving their systems running,
> if not for this reason, but for ease of operations when
> and if required. Just think of the amount of 'servers'
> world wide that are never turned off even with a
> power failure (UPS) engaged, and are encassed in an
> air-conditioned environment.
> Personally, my system just goes to sleep on my command
> and takes 10 seconds to be fully available afterwards.
> As far as costs go, I have not seen any great increase in
> daily electicity use. Don't know for sure, but I would
> think it would be beneficial for your hard drive/s to wake
> from 'sleep' rather than a full power-up ??
> I am sure others will have their opinions as well.
>
> regards
>
>
>
>
> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>
>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>
>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>> about this . . .
>>[/color][/color]

I once by mistake deleted (using Disk Cleanup) the Hibernation File Cleaner
that was 0.99GB in size. After that I couldn't enable Hibernate mode from
anywhere, it was no where to be found. Someone here posted a command to type
in Administrator Command Prompt that brings it back; I think it goes
something like "powercfg -h on" without the " ". I'm not sure though but it
brought it back for me.

"Daze N. Knights" wrote:
[color=blue]
> I don't see a hibernate mode available in Vista.
>
> I've just installed Vista RTM on two machines. One of them--1.8GHz
> Pentium 4 with 768MB RAM--had been sitting on, but inactive, for a few
> hours yesterday, and it went to sleep. When I tried to wake it up, it
> wouldn't. I shook the mouse like crazy and tapped on the keyboard, all
> to no avail. I finally had to hit the restart button, but, after
> rebooting, the monitor came up blank. So I restarted again and, this
> time, got the option to go to Windows in normal mode or . . . So, I went
> to Windows in normal mode, and then all was OK.
>
> Rob wrote:[color=green]
> > I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this issue
> > with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.
> >
> > Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
> > instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in Vista
> > all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the PC is
> > completely shut down.
> >
> > I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.
> >
> > "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
> >> any such discussions, so here it is:
> >>
> >> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
> >> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
> >> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
> >> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
> >> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
> >> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
> >>
> >> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
> >> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
> >> about this . . .
> >>[/color][/color]
>[/color]

Hi,

You'll see Hibernate if you turn off the "hybrid sleep" feature in the
advanced power options.

BTW, I'd use sleep in Vista all the time, if I didn't have this issue of not
having sound after waking up. I hope this will get fixed in a drvier or BIOS
update by the time Vista hits the shelves on January 30th.

Hybrid sleep is a great idea.

--Szajd


"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:u7R45C1MHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't see a hibernate mode available in Vista.
>
> I've just installed Vista RTM on two machines. One of them--1.8GHz Pentium
> 4 with 768MB RAM--had been sitting on, but inactive, for a few hours
> yesterday, and it went to sleep. When I tried to wake it up, it wouldn't.
> I shook the mouse like crazy and tapped on the keyboard, all to no avail.
> I finally had to hit the restart button, but, after rebooting, the monitor
> came up blank. So I restarted again and, this time, got the option to go
> to Windows in normal mode or . . . So, I went to Windows in normal mode,
> and then all was OK.
>
> Rob wrote:[color=green]
>> I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this
>> issue with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.
>>
>> Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
>> instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in
>> Vista all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the
>> PC is completely shut down.
>>
>> I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.
>>
>> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>>
>>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>>
>>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>>> about this . . .
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

Daze:
I had a similar problem with my FX51 tower. Go into the bios and
verify that S3 is enabled, sometimes there will be a line to enable video
below the S3 line. Those settings cured my FX51. Have a great day.

--
Dennis Pack
Vista x64 Enterprise
Office 2007
"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:u7R45C1MHHA.3552@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>I don't see a hibernate mode available in Vista.
>
> I've just installed Vista RTM on two machines. One of them--1.8GHz Pentium
> 4 with 768MB RAM--had been sitting on, but inactive, for a few hours
> yesterday, and it went to sleep. When I tried to wake it up, it wouldn't.
> I shook the mouse like crazy and tapped on the keyboard, all to no avail.
> I finally had to hit the restart button, but, after rebooting, the monitor
> came up blank. So I restarted again and, this time, got the option to go
> to Windows in normal mode or . . . So, I went to Windows in normal mode,
> and then all was OK.
>
> Rob wrote:[color=green]
>> I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this
>> issue with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.
>>
>> Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
>> instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in
>> Vista all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the
>> PC is completely shut down.
>>
>> I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.
>>
>> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>>
>>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>>
>>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>>> about this . . .
>>>[/color][/color][/color]

np

Lang

"Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
news:%23rYxn70MHHA.992@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Ah. I hadn't made the icon distinction. Thanks for pointing it out.
>
> Lang Murphy wrote:[color=green]
>> If you're referring to the sleep icon in the Start menu... well... that's
>> what it is... a sleep button, not a shutdown button. Yeah, confusing...
>> but
>> if you look at the icon, it looks different from the Shut Down icon one
>> sees when one logs off the PC. The sleep button is a circle with a
>> verticle line going through the top end of the circle. The shut down icon
>> is a circle totally enclosing a vertical line.
>>
>> Lang
>>
>>
>> "Daze N. Knights" <Daze@microchip.com> wrote in message
>> news:%23pspCCvMHHA.5064@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
>>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>>
>>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>>
>>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>>> about this . . .[/color]
>>[/color][/color]

Haven't run Disk Cleanup . . .

Rob wrote:[color=blue]
> I once by mistake deleted (using Disk Cleanup) the Hibernation File Cleaner
> that was 0.99GB in size. After that I couldn't enable Hibernate mode from
> anywhere, it was no where to be found. Someone here posted a command to type
> in Administrator Command Prompt that brings it back; I think it goes
> something like "powercfg -h on" without the " ". I'm not sure though but it
> brought it back for me.
>
> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I don't see a hibernate mode available in Vista.
>>
>> I've just installed Vista RTM on two machines. One of them--1.8GHz
>> Pentium 4 with 768MB RAM--had been sitting on, but inactive, for a few
>> hours yesterday, and it went to sleep. When I tried to wake it up, it
>> wouldn't. I shook the mouse like crazy and tapped on the keyboard, all
>> to no avail. I finally had to hit the restart button, but, after
>> rebooting, the monitor came up blank. So I restarted again and, this
>> time, got the option to go to Windows in normal mode or . . . So, I went
>> to Windows in normal mode, and then all was OK.
>>
>> Rob wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> I like the speed of waking up from Sleep mode but I've always had this issue
>>> with it, even with RTM, that I lose my sound when I wake up the PC.
>>>
>>> Strangely, this does not happen in hibernate mode so I've been using that
>>> instead. And I've now become very comfortable with using hibernate in Vista
>>> all the time. It actually uses almost as little power as when the PC is
>>> completely shut down.
>>>
>>> I only shut down if I'll be away from home for more than a day.
>>>
>>> "Daze N. Knights" wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sure that this has been discussed many times here, but I've missed
>>>> any such discussions, so here it is:
>>>>
>>>> Vista's shutdown option, I see, is "Sleep," and I'm wondering what
>>>> people's opinions of this are. My basic routine--from Win95 through
>>>> WinXP--has been to turn on the computer first thing in the morning and
>>>> shut it down last thing at night. This has worked well for me for years.
>>>> While I know that some folks prefer leaving their computers on 24/7,
>>>> using sleep or hibernate, that has not been my preference.
>>>>
>>>> By making Sleep the default, it seems that MS is encouraging users to
>>>> never shut down their computers, and I'm curious to hear some opinions
>>>> about this . . .
>>>>[/color][/color][/color]