Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?

"Fred" <noone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23zMuyRVnJHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?

If you buy the latest top of the line PC with about 10GB RAM and get a Microsoft Certified Professional to install Vista for you and maintain your PC on a regular basis, I would recommend Vista.

If not, do yourself a big favor and just go out and buy a Mac.

You can get many PCs and laptops with XP installed and also a copy of Vista included if you wish to be a masochist.

Vista has too many user annoyances and only a very few obvious improvements.
Basically, MS is trying to suck money with incremental changes to get improvements out.
We will never get a good OS, because if we do, we will never upgrade. Fact!

Vista has the following impediments, among many others
UAC - protects you from yourself more than anything else and adds more "do you really want to do this ..."
Some app need to be "Run As Administrator" or they won't/
Some apps need to be run in XP compatibility mode or they won't run.
Aero is too noisy. Try reading a window caption. Very difficult.
Captions are transparent which is really visual noise. useless.
You are no longer the admin of your PC, even though you are the only user and the owner of the PC.
You have to find a way to become superuser by asking for help. Very poor.
Then Vista nags you that you are doing what you really need.
Vista is still ergonomically poor, it is inconsistent from Windows itself to Office applications.
e.g. mouse scrollwheel works correctly in Windows Mail or Outlook etc but not in Windows Explorer.
why is this, because MS has absolutely no quality control that is user oriented.

There is a lot more, but that is enough for now.
Sad, isn't it!
"Fred" <noone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23zMuyRVnJHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?

Fred wrote:[color=blue]
> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is,
> "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any
> more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the
> freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color]
False.

The first released version of vista was truly awful.
Vista with the service packs and updates is now very stable and quite
nicely behaved on all the systems I have used.

BUT, If you're going to cough up the hard earned, it's probably best to
wait for Windows 7 which is much nicer. ;-)

On new hardware I'd go with Windows 7 - the beta works well for me.

As for a Mac - if you have the money, very nice.
Mac OSX is immune to 99% of the malware, trojans, viruses out there.
Macs are expensive and a pain to get fixed.
I have a shiny new Macbook Pro (bought by employer) with Bootcamp; this
has WinXP, Vista, Win7 beta, OSX and Open Suse 11 KDE.
Handy for application compatability testing...

Guy

"Fred" <noone@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%23zMuyRVnJHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is,
"Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any
more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the
freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?

I have Vista HP pre-installed on 4Gb + 2 core and 3Gb + 4 core machines.
No problems, it's fast and stable. Networking no trouble, includes NAS
and router and previously with XP and W98. One PC runs in Classic mode
( I always have since W95 )and the other full Aero with no detectable
difference in response.

You will get every answer from superb to diabolical but bear in mind few
people who use it without problems will be using this group.

Tom

I absolutely love Windows Vista! It is a vast improvement over Windows
XP and I have had no major issues with it. I've been using it since
January 2006 and the implementation of Service Pack 1 really makes this
a rock-solid operating system.

I heartily recommend Vista!

Fred wrote:[color=blue]
> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is,
> "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any
> more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the
> freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color]

I don't make a habit of responding to ignorant trolls, such as yourself.
I have had no problems with "slow file transfers" or anything else you
mentioned and your opinion is 100% inaccurate. I would not trade Windows
Vista for any other O/S on the market today! Windows Vista works, and
works extremely well!


The moron Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Leroy wrote:[color=green]
>> I absolutely love Windows Vista! It is a vast improvement over
>> Windows XP and I have had no major issues with it. I've been using it
>> since January 2006 and the implementation of Service Pack 1 really
>> makes this a rock-solid operating system.
>>
>> I heartily recommend Vista![/color]
>
> Just curious, what do you think is the "great improvement over Windows
> XP"? Slower file transfer? The need to upgrade hardware? The infamous UAC?
>
> Check this out:
>
> [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8unULpT628000[/url]
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>> Fred wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear
>>> is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily
>>> any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about
>>> the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color][/color][/color]

Alias wrote:[color=blue]
> Leroy wrote:[color=green]
>> I absolutely love Windows Vista! It is a vast improvement over
>> Windows XP and I have had no major issues with it. I've been using it
>> since January 2006 and the implementation of Service Pack 1 really
>> makes this a rock-solid operating system.
>>
>> I heartily recommend Vista![/color]
>
> Just curious, what do you think is the "great improvement over Windows
> XP"? Slower file transfer? The need to upgrade hardware? The infamous UAC?
>
> Check this out:
>
> [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8unULpT628[/url]
>
> Alias[color=green]
>>
>> Fred wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear
>>> is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily
>>> any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about
>>> the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color][/color][/color]
UAC itself a fine idea and long overdue in MS's OS.
Running default as an Admin is a big help to malware. ;-)

The problem was the lame implementation; way too intrusive.
SP1 made things less annoying.

Windows 7 shows some thought and is nice to use.

Guy

On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:45:38 -0600, Leroy <leroy@earthlink.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>I don't make a habit of responding to ignorant trolls, such as yourself.
>I have had no problems with "slow file transfers" or anything else you
>mentioned and your opinion is 100% inaccurate. I would not trade Windows
>Vista for any other O/S on the market today! Windows Vista works, and
>works extremely well![/color]

Ur just another fan boy. Vistas sucks. Less features, less
performance, more bugs, more incompatibilities.

To the OP: Stick with XP if at all possible.

"+Bob+" <nomailplease@example.com> wrote in message
news:bq50r45v7bi895q9glns85q5jsp4vl0nsq@4ax.com...[color=blue]
> On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:45:38 -0600, Leroy <leroy@earthlink.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>I don't make a habit of responding to ignorant trolls, such as yourself.
>>I have had no problems with "slow file transfers" or anything else you
>>mentioned and your opinion is 100% inaccurate. I would not trade Windows
>>Vista for any other O/S on the market today! Windows Vista works, and
>>works extremely well![/color]
>
> Ur just another fan boy. Vistas sucks. Less features, less
> performance, more bugs, more incompatibilities.
>
> To the OP: Stick with XP if at all possible.[/color]

Another idiot who doesn't know how Vista works.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:37:17 -0500, Fred wrote:
[color=blue]
> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color]

Here's my two cents.

I gave up on a Mac (with XP in a virtual machine) and went back to a PC. I
chose a fairly inexpensive all-in-one and am much happier now, thank you
very much.

Most of the things I don't like are related to the fact that it's a Vaio
and Sony is profligate with crapware.

Also, I installed TweakUAC, which helps with one very major annoyance :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch letters0x40blochg0x2Ecom

Gigagefalos wrote:[color=blue]
> Fred wrote:[color=green]
>> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about? All I hear
>> is, "Stay away from Vista." I love XP, but you can't get it easily
>> any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about
>> the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color]
>
>
> vista is worse than what you are hearing..[/color]

Translation: capin' crunch, the floating help desk worker, can't figure
Vista out cause he's far too stupid and incompetent.
Therefore pay absolutely no attention to the idiot!...LOL?

Fred wrote:[color=blue]
> Is Vista really the horrible OS that I'm hearing about?[/color]


No, not at all.

[color=blue]
> All I hear is, "Stay away from Vista."[/color]


Only from trolls or people who leapt ahead to get the "newest and
shiniest" OS without first bothering to determine whether or not their
hardware and existing applications could handle it. There are three
primary reasons, which are pretty much the same every time a new
operating system is released:

*1)* They rushed out to buy the newest and shiniest OS without taking a
few minutes to determine:

a. If they really needed a new operating system,

b. If the new operating system would or could meet their computing
needs and desires,

c. If their existing hardware was adequate to meet the new OS'
requirements,

d. If the manufacturers of their PC's components and/or peripherals
(printers, scanners, cameras, etc.) had provided new, Vista-specific
device drivers and/or software to use with their products,

e. And whether or not all of the 3rd party applications that they
already owned were Vista-compatible, or could be made so be a patch or
update from each programs' respective manufacturer.


*2)* A steeper than expected learning curve. Vista is different from
earlier versions of Windows, and learning those differences takes time
and effort.


*3)* A simple, old-fashioned (but all too common) fear of change, which
seems to be why your friend doesn't want it, based on what you've said.


[color=blue]
> I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of Vista. True or False?[/color]


Utterly false.

--

Bruce Chambers

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Bruce Chambers wrote:[color=blue]
> Fred wrote:[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I love XP, but you can't get it easily any more. I'm about ready to
>> buy a MAC from what I'm hearing about the freezes, crashes, etc. of
>> Vista. True or False?[/color]
>
>
> Utterly false.
>[/color]

Vista works fine. The only thing wrong with it is that it's not a huge
improvement over XP. Some cranky people who "upgraded" to Vista were
disappointed because they had to do a lot of work finding drivers,
fiddling with this hardware and that hardware to make it work as well as
it did in XP, enduring User Account Control until they got smart and
turned it off, learning a few new ways to do things, etc etc and so
forth. Vista really does work fine. It just doesn't work some order of
magnitude better than XP. So you love XP? Then there's no valid reason
you shouldn't love Vista.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:25:32 -0800, "Gigaflop" <gigaflop@noun.com>
wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Ur just another fan boy. Vistas sucks. Less features, less
>> performance, more bugs, more incompatibilities.
>>
>> To the OP: Stick with XP if at all possible.[/color]
>
>Another idiot who doesn't know how Vista works.[/color]

"flop" describes you well. "Gigaflop" is even more accurate.