CNET: "If I ask you who is Microsoft's biggest competitor now, who would it
be?"

Steve Ballmer: "Open...Linux. I don't want to say open source. Linux,
certainly
have to go with that."

http://www.news.com/Feeling-the-heat...tag=ne.fd.mnbc

Also from the news:

Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]

http://slated.org/microsoft_loses_90_billion_dollars

Alias

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Alias wrote:

Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
----------------------------------------------------------------

That's an incorrect statement.
MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined, just
like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.

I bet that pisses you off doesn't it alias?

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> That's an incorrect statement.

Take it up with the author.

> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined, just
> like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.

Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a nut
case like Ballmer heading up MS. The dollar ain't doing too well either.

> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.

LOL! "Only" a paper loss?

>
> I bet that pisses you off doesn't it alias?

Doesn't affect me one way or the other. Back ten years, people who used
computers didn't know much better. The times they are a-changing and not
in Microsoft's favor.

Alias

Alias wrote:

> fb wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> That's an incorrect statement.
>
>
> Take it up with the author.

The author didn't post it. You did.
>
>> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined,
>> just like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
>
>
> Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a nut
> case like Ballmer heading up MS.

Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
qrt's ever.

The dollar ain't doing too well either.

That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
>
>> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
>> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.
>
>
> LOL! "Only" a paper loss?

Yeah, a "paper loss" is only a loss on paper. Not a real tangible
financial loss unless you sell at a price that is lower than the price
at which you bought.
>
>>
>> I bet that pisses you off doesn't it alias?
>
>
> Doesn't affect me one way or the other. Back ten years, people who used
> computers didn't know much better. The times they are a-changing and not
> in Microsoft's favor.
>
Again, MS just had one of their very best qrts, financially speaking. I
bet that fact also pisses you off.
Good!...LOL!

fb wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> fb wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> That's an incorrect statement.
>>
>>
>> Take it up with the author.
>
> The author didn't post it. You did.
>>
>>> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined,
>>> just like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
>>
>>
>> Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a
>> nut case like Ballmer heading up MS.
>
> Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
> qrt's ever.
>
> The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>
> That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
>>
>>> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
>>> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.
>>
>>
>> LOL! "Only" a paper loss?
>
> Yeah, a "paper loss" is only a loss on paper. Not a real tangible
> financial loss unless you sell at a price that is lower than the price
> at which you bought.
>>
>>>
>>> I bet that pisses you off doesn't it alias?
>>
>>
>> Doesn't affect me one way or the other. Back ten years, people who
>> used computers didn't know much better. The times they are a-changing
>> and not in Microsoft's favor.
>>
> Again, MS just had one of their very best qrts, financially speaking. I
> bet that fact also pisses you off.
> Good!...LOL!

Get back to me when you understand basic economics. It's obvious that
you don't have even a rudimentary understanding.

Alias

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:45:25 +0200, Alias <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo>
wrote:

>fb wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> That's an incorrect statement.
>
>Take it up with the author.
>
>> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined, just
>> like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
>
>Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a nut
>case like Ballmer heading up MS. The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>
>> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
>> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.
>
>LOL! "Only" a paper loss?

You got to remember the very limited mental abilities of Frank the
wannabe business wiz. While a "paper loss" it is also a very real loss
is the market value of the underlying stock. The banking industry is a
prime example. In the past 18 months in the US the sector has seen
losses between 35-90% in market capitalization. That's a major hit.

This is far more than a mere paper loss. It is also a loss to the
corporation's ability to raise new capital and if they try again like
some of the banks have that dilutes the value of the stock for current
stockholders and that is a REAL loss, not a paper loss because the
number of outstanding shares often go up dramatically which usually
results in the underlying stocking losing more ground as investors
sell.

What's so **** funny to me is Frank keeps claiming he runs a business
and he keeps showing he doesn't understand a **** thing about
business, not ever at a elementary level.

Just curious Alias, what's the tax rates for corporations like in
Spain? They have capital gains tax breaks for investors?

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:55:54 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
wrote:

>Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
>qrt's ever.

No maybe about it. You Frank being a world class rummy don't
understand that Microsoft shareholders don't share in Microsoft's
record profits with them only paying a lousy 1.68% return via
dividends.

Keep it up Frank. You're doing a really good job (as usual) of proving
what a clueless idiot you always are.
>
> The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>
>That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.

Again, Frank's wisdom comes shining through. Yea right. If only. A
weak dollar benefits foreigners and exporters. That's about it. Every
one else suffers. I would say at least $5 maybe $10 of the current
inflated market oil prices are because of the weak dollar. Also a weak
dollar makes foreign investors look elsewhere to invest their money
while others with deep pockets can buy up American companies on the
cheap. Both bad for our economy.

Frank, you would be better off keeping your mouth shut rather than
commenting on things you know little about. Unless of course you enjoy
me painting you the fool regardless of topic.

I'm sure even you have seen Boon Pickens info commercials where a guy
that made billions in oil now says 70% of our oil is coming from
offshore and we're in the middle of the biggest wealth transfer out of
America to other parts of the world at pace not dreamed of in the
past. That spells trouble with a capital T and a weak dollar is one of
the prime drivers.

But Frank, never mind, you just keep babbling your nonsense if it
makes you feel important.

Alias wrote:
> fb wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> fb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> That's an incorrect statement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take it up with the author.
>>
>>
>> The author didn't post it. You did.
>>
>>>
>>>> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined,
>>>> just like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a
>>> nut case like Ballmer heading up MS.
>>
>>
>> Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
>> qrt's ever.
>>
>> The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>>
>> That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
>>
>>>
>>>> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
>>>> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL! "Only" a paper loss?
>>
>>
>> Yeah, a "paper loss" is only a loss on paper. Not a real tangible
>> financial loss unless you sell at a price that is lower than the price
>> at which you bought.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I bet that pisses you off doesn't it alias?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't affect me one way or the other. Back ten years, people who
>>> used computers didn't know much better. The times they are a-changing
>>> and not in Microsoft's favor.
>>>
>> Again, MS just had one of their very best qrts, financially speaking.
>> I bet that fact also pisses you off.
>> Good!...LOL!
>
>
> Get back to me when you understand basic economics. It's obvious that
> you don't have even a rudimentary understanding.
>
> Alias

Nice try at backpedaling.
It's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about.
Oh, I forgot, you're far too broke to afford Vista let along any
investments.

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>
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>
>
> From: Alias <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo>
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Maybe You Shoud Go Away. Just FYI. You Are Annoying. Just FYI. Message
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Ringmaster wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 01:45:25 +0200, Alias <aka@mascaradoyanónimo.jo>
> wrote:
>
>> fb wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>> Microsoft loses 90 Billion Dollars [in less than a year]
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> That's an incorrect statement.
>> Take it up with the author.
>>
>>> MS didn't lose one penny of real money. Their stock value declined, just
>>> like Apple's fell (17%!) and so did Google's.
>> Yeah that happens when you have an idiot like Bush at the helm and a nut
>> case like Ballmer heading up MS. The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>>
>>> It is all just a paper loss for those companies and unless a share
>>> holder sells they too suffer only a paper loss.
>> LOL! "Only" a paper loss?
>
> You got to remember the very limited mental abilities of Frank the
> wannabe business wiz. While a "paper loss" it is also a very real loss
> is the market value of the underlying stock. The banking industry is a
> prime example. In the past 18 months in the US the sector has seen
> losses between 35-90% in market capitalization. That's a major hit.
>
> This is far more than a mere paper loss. It is also a loss to the
> corporation's ability to raise new capital and if they try again like
> some of the banks have that dilutes the value of the stock for current
> stockholders and that is a REAL loss, not a paper loss because the
> number of outstanding shares often go up dramatically which usually
> results in the underlying stocking losing more ground as investors
> sell.
>
> What's so **** funny to me is Frank keeps claiming he runs a business
> and he keeps showing he doesn't understand a **** thing about
> business, not ever at a elementary level.

He's a junk yard dog.

>
> Just curious Alias, what's the tax rates for corporations like in
> Spain? They have capital gains tax breaks for investors?

http://www.strongabogados.com/taxes.php

Alias

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:03:59 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
wrote:

>Ringmaster wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:55:54 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
>>>qrt's ever.
>>
>>
>> No maybe about it.
>
>Yep! I was right!

>You idiot moron I never said they did, did I? You said that. Not me.
>You can't refute one thing I said as not being factual. So you try and
>argue about something I didn't say. Nice try, but no cigar!
>But you're pretty good at your stupid assumptions aren't you?

You really are a dummy. You claim Microsoft losing 90 billion is
"only" a paper loss. I explained why you don't understand the broader
implications.
>
>> Keep it up Frank. You're doing a really good job (as usual) of proving
>> what a clueless idiot you always are.

>>> The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>>>
>>>That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
>>
>>
>> Again, Frank's wisdom comes shining through. Yea right. If only. A
>> weak dollar benefits foreigners and exporters. That's about it. Every
>> one else suffers. I would say at least $5 maybe $10 of the current
>> inflated market oil prices are because of the weak dollar. Also a weak
>> dollar makes foreign investors look elsewhere to invest their money
>> while others with deep pockets can buy up American companies on the
>> cheap. Both bad for our economy.
>
>I guess and uneducated idiot moron like can't understand..."Depends on
>what you're looking at". A weak dollar is bad for some and good for some.
>Oh, you can't deal with the truth, can you?
>So you lose.

Again you show it is YOU that's uneducated.

Frank speak ===> I guess and uneducated...

Naturally you follow that with you usual insults and can't counter a
**** thing said that was factual. You're an idiot Frank. I'll keep
reminding you of that until you get it. How much longer will it take
for you to realize you stupidly about everything is no match for my
intellect? Another year, five more, ten more? How long Frank before
you wise up?

>> But Frank, never mind, you just keep babbling your nonsense if it
>> makes you feel important.
>
>You still haven't addressed my actual post have you? You're afraid to
>aren't you cause you know it was 100% correct.

You're a 100% idiot.

>Again, you lose. You make yourself look alike a fool.
>It is one of your very best talents.

More Frank speak ===> make yourself look alike a fool

The only talent you have is making a total jackass out of yourself.
You're really good at it Frank. Really.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:35:19 -0500
Ringmaster <bigtop@VistaGeneralCircus.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:03:59 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Ringmaster wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:55:54 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most
> >>>profitable qrt's ever.
> >>
> >>
> >> No maybe about it.
> >
> >Yep! I was right!
>
> >You idiot moron I never said they did, did I? You said that. Not me.
> >You can't refute one thing I said as not being factual. So you try
> >and argue about something I didn't say. Nice try, but no cigar!
> >But you're pretty good at your stupid assumptions aren't you?
>
> You really are a dummy. You claim Microsoft losing 90 billion is
> "only" a paper loss. I explained why you don't understand the broader
> implications.
> >
> >> Keep it up Frank. You're doing a really good job (as usual) of
> >> proving what a clueless idiot you always are.
>
> >>> The dollar ain't doing too well either.
> >>>
> >>>That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
> >>
> >>
> >> Again, Frank's wisdom comes shining through. Yea right. If only. A
> >> weak dollar benefits foreigners and exporters. That's about it.
> >> Every one else suffers. I would say at least $5 maybe $10 of the
> >> current inflated market oil prices are because of the weak dollar.
> >> Also a weak dollar makes foreign investors look elsewhere to
> >> invest their money while others with deep pockets can buy up
> >> American companies on the cheap. Both bad for our economy.
> >
> >I guess and uneducated idiot moron like can't understand..."Depends
> >on what you're looking at". A weak dollar is bad for some and good
> >for some. Oh, you can't deal with the truth, can you?
> >So you lose.
>
> Again you show it is YOU that's uneducated.
>
> Frank speak ===> I guess and uneducated...
>
> Naturally you follow that with you usual insults and can't counter a
> **** thing said that was factual. You're an idiot Frank. I'll keep
> reminding you of that until you get it. How much longer will it take
> for you to realize you stupidly about everything is no match for my
> intellect? Another year, five more, ten more? How long Frank before
> you wise up?
>
> >> But Frank, never mind, you just keep babbling your nonsense if it
> >> makes you feel important.
> >
> >You still haven't addressed my actual post have you? You're afraid
> >to aren't you cause you know it was 100% correct.
>
> You're a 100% idiot.
>
> >Again, you lose. You make yourself look alike a fool.
> >It is one of your very best talents.
>
> More Frank speak ===> make yourself look alike a fool
>
> The only talent you have is making a total jackass out of yourself.
> You're really good at it Frank. Really.

If you were really smart, you'd have noticed the lack of progress any
of you are making.

How 'bout you all agree to being intelligent idiots, shake hands...and
move on already.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 22:45:28 -0400, Hobbes <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote:

>> More Frank speak ===> make yourself look alike a fool
>>
>> The only talent you have is making a total jackass out of yourself.
>> You're really good at it Frank. Really.
>
>If you were really smart, you'd have noticed the lack of progress any
>of you are making.

Progress no, watching Frank make a fool of himself is amusing.

Ringmaster wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:03:59 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Ringmaster wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:55:54 -0700, fb <aliasis@sheep-fukker.org>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Maybe you missed the fact that MS just had one of it's most profitable
>>>>qrt's ever.
>>>
>>>
>>>No maybe about it.
>>
>>Yep! I was right!
>
>
>>You idiot moron I never said they did, did I? You said that. Not me.
>>You can't refute one thing I said as not being factual. So you try and
>>argue about something I didn't say. Nice try, but no cigar!
>>But you're pretty good at your stupid assumptions aren't you?
>
>
> You really are a dummy. You claim Microsoft losing 90 billion is
> "only" a paper loss. I explained why you don't understand the broader
> implications.
>
>>>Keep it up Frank. You're doing a really good job (as usual) of proving
>>>what a clueless idiot you always are.
>
>
>>>>The dollar ain't doing too well either.
>>>>
>>>>That is both good and bad. Depends on what you're looking at.
>>>
>>>
>>>Again, Frank's wisdom comes shining through. Yea right. If only. A
>>>weak dollar benefits foreigners and exporters. That's about it. Every
>>>one else suffers. I would say at least $5 maybe $10 of the current
>>>inflated market oil prices are because of the weak dollar. Also a weak
>>>dollar makes foreign investors look elsewhere to invest their money
>>>while others with deep pockets can buy up American companies on the
>>>cheap. Both bad for our economy.
>>
>>I guess and uneducated idiot moron like can't understand..."Depends on
>>what you're looking at". A weak dollar is bad for some and good for some.
>>Oh, you can't deal with the truth, can you?
>>So you lose.
>
>
> Again you show it is YOU that's uneducated.
>
> Frank speak ===> I guess and uneducated...
>
> Naturally you follow that with you usual insults and can't counter a
> **** thing said that was factual. You're an idiot Frank. I'll keep
> reminding you of that until you get it. How much longer will it take
> for you to realize you stupidly about everything is no match for my
> intellect? Another year, five more, ten more? How long Frank before
> you wise up?
>
>
>>>But Frank, never mind, you just keep babbling your nonsense if it
>>>makes you feel important.
>>
>>You still haven't addressed my actual post have you? You're afraid to
>>aren't you cause you know it was 100% correct.
>
>
> You're a 100% idiot.
>
>
>>Again, you lose. You make yourself look alike a fool.
>>It is one of your very best talents.
>
>
> More Frank speak ===> make yourself look alike a fool
>
> The only talent you have is making a total jackass out of yourself.
> You're really good at it Frank. Really.

Nice try at backpedaling mr gotemeyer, but you must be afraid to
actually address exactly what I posted.
Well, why are you afraid to deal with the truth, huh?