"Alex Clayton" <alexx1400******.com> wrote in message
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> "Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:OkpcY%23s7IHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> "Alex Clayton" <alexx1400******.com> wrote in message
>> news:a4SdnXGY9ZPTCxfVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@nventure.com ...
>>> "Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
>>> news:%23KjLYvs7IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>>>>upgrade version
>>>> of vista home premium. I wish to do a clean install.
>>>>
>>> Of course you can buy a copy of Vista. Now as to whether the computer
>>> you want to put it on will run it, or run it well, is another matter.
>>
>> Its a duocore 4700, 2 gigs of ram and 8600GT card. New computer.
>>
>> When you say I can buy a copy, does that mean I can legally buy the much
>> cheaper
>> upgrade version?
>> I don't want to fork out over 300 bucks for the standard version. I don't
>> need it as I can always get my
>> OS back with Acronis True Image in case of a disaster.
>>
>>
>>
>
> As you found, yes you can. If there is room to add another Gig of RAM it
> will run better. Vista works fine, BUT it uses a hell of a lot more memory
> than XP. 2 Gig is probably about the min. This one has 3 and it does run
> great, other than the learning curve of getting used to a new OS. The
> advantage you have is like you said you can always go back if you wish,
> but after you get used to Vista it seems to work fine for me.
> --
> "Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
> come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
> -- Mark Twain

It works great for me too, I have it installed on another computer. The
reason wht I bought the new computer with XP Pro is because
they didn't have any left with vista preinstalled in stock. As it was cheap,
I thought I would just buy it and upgrade to vista which was easy.
I find it runs very well with just 2 gigs of ram, though I don't do anything
too intensive. Mainly just surfing & playing casual/indie games.
I don't think I could ever go back to XP....

My two cents,

I agree with Mick Murphy's assessment in the sense you may have a legally
purchased software (which is one issue) but you may not have a qualified
product for using it (which is another issue) but in either or both cases,
one can still manage to install it - which is another issue.

Installation method has nothing to do with if the software is legally
purchased or not, and one can use many ways to have a software to be
installed on a computer.

Mick Murphy simply pointed you to the qualified products for upgrade version
and that's nothing more and nothing less.


"Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:%23KjLYvs7IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>upgrade version
> of vista home premium. I wish to do a clean install.

Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
One thing no-one has mentioned, is that you can get away with doing a clean
install with an Upgrade disk, BUT, microsoft does NOT support it.
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"xfile" wrote:

> My two cents,
>
> I agree with Mick Murphy's assessment in the sense you may have a legally
> purchased software (which is one issue) but you may not have a qualified
> product for using it (which is another issue) but in either or both cases,
> one can still manage to install it - which is another issue.
>
> Installation method has nothing to do with if the software is legally
> purchased or not, and one can use many ways to have a software to be
> installed on a computer.
>
> Mick Murphy simply pointed you to the qualified products for upgrade version
> and that's nothing more and nothing less.
>
>
> "Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:%23KjLYvs7IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
> >upgrade version
> > of vista home premium. I wish to do a clean install.
>
>
>

My apologies for the misunderstanding.
Out of curiosity, would a clean install on an upgrade copy also work with
people who have
windows me or 98SE?

"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:05A941EF-83DD-4834-B24F-D0DD03347109@microsoft.com...
> Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
> One thing no-one has mentioned, is that you can get away with doing a
> clean
> install with an Upgrade disk, BUT, microsoft does NOT support it.
> --
> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>
>
> "xfile" wrote:
>
>> My two cents,
>>
>> I agree with Mick Murphy's assessment in the sense you may have a legally
>> purchased software (which is one issue) but you may not have a qualified
>> product for using it (which is another issue) but in either or both
>> cases,
>> one can still manage to install it - which is another issue.
>>
>> Installation method has nothing to do with if the software is legally
>> purchased or not, and one can use many ways to have a software to be
>> installed on a computer.
>>
>> Mick Murphy simply pointed you to the qualified products for upgrade
>> version
>> and that's nothing more and nothing less.
>>
>>
>> "Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:%23KjLYvs7IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> >I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>> >upgrade version
>> > of vista home premium. I wish to do a clean install.
>>
>>
>>

"Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:u8YvvEz7IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> My apologies for the misunderstanding.
> Out of curiosity, would a clean install on an upgrade copy also work with
> people who have
> windows me or 98SE?
>>>
>

I VERY much doubt it. I doubt there would be many PC's out there running
those OS's that could run Vista, at least not without major upgrading being
done.
--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."
[Lazarus Long]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
<blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:

> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
> upgrade version
> of vista home premium.


Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
only from XP Home.


> I wish to do a clean install.


You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
do clean installations.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
><blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>> upgrade version
>> of vista home premium.
>
>
>Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
>only from XP Home.
>
>
>> I wish to do a clean install.
>
>
>You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
>do clean installations.

Oddly enough... that's what he did and it worked.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
><blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>> upgrade version
>> of vista home premium.
>
>
>Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
>only from XP Home.
>
>
>> I wish to do a clean install.
>
>
>You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
>do clean installations.

Classic example of STUPID Microsoft strong arm marketing to get prior
customers to "over" upgrade.

I was in the same situation, I also have XP Pro. I too wished to
upgrade to XP Home Premium. Why? Because it had features more useful
to me than the business version which I ended up switching to.

The point that always zooms over the goofy fanboy crowd is prior to
Vista then were only two choices, the more common home version and the
pro version. Now with four choices you are forced to get what you
don't want. Worse, you end up losing features you did want. Business
version doesn't include the popular video features I actually wanted.
What is further annoying is if the business version is a "higher" up
the totem pole version then why does it exclude features that the home
premium version has? Simple answer, to try to force you into the most
expensive Ultimate version. Well, I didn't bite.

Ringmaster wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
>><blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>>>upgrade version
>>>of vista home premium.
>>
>>
>>Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
>>only from XP Home.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I wish to do a clean install.
>>
>>
>>You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
>>do clean installations.
>
>
> Classic example of STUPID Microsoft strong arm marketing to get prior
> customers to "over" upgrade.

Classic example of you opening with an insult (as usual).
>
> I was in the same situation, I also have XP Pro. I too wished to
> upgrade to XP Home Premium. Why? Because it had features more useful
> to me than the business version which I ended up switching to.
>
> The point that always zooms over the goofy fanboy crowd is prior to
> Vista then were only two choices, the more common home version and the
> pro version.

"Fanboy's' didn't know that? You're that stupid?

Now with four choices you are forced to get what you
> don't want.

Really? Another stupid ignorant statement from you. Keep it up...this is
getting good!

Worse, you end up losing features you did want. Business
> version doesn't include the popular video features I actually wanted.

So you bought it anyway? OMG! Where you that drunk on that day?

> What is further annoying is if the business version is a "higher" up
> the totem pole version...

It's a "business version".

then why does it exclude features that the home
> premium version has? Simple answer, to try to force you into the most
> expensive Ultimate version. Well, I didn't bite.

Yeah! Brilliant! You got what you paid for and deserve cause you proly
didn't bother to read the label, or go to the MS website did you?
Oh, I forgot, it's all MS's fault.
There is something really wrong with you mr gotemeyer.
Get some help and stop whining.

Ringmaster wrote:

<snipped>

We are all tired of you and this stupid fanboy BS of yours Albright.
What is wrong with you?

Ryan, have not tried it on older OSs.
Normally, the hardware would not be enough to run Vista.
I do know that you can not put an upgrade disk in W2K and do an upgrade.
It does have to be a clean install!
Never tried a clean install in W2K with an upgrade disk.

Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"Ryan Hayward" wrote:

> My apologies for the misunderstanding.
> Out of curiosity, would a clean install on an upgrade copy also work with
> people who have
> windows me or 98SE?
>
> "Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:05A941EF-83DD-4834-B24F-D0DD03347109@microsoft.com...
> > Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
> > One thing no-one has mentioned, is that you can get away with doing a
> > clean
> > install with an Upgrade disk, BUT, microsoft does NOT support it.
> > --
> > Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
> >
> >
> > "xfile" wrote:
> >
> >> My two cents,
> >>
> >> I agree with Mick Murphy's assessment in the sense you may have a legally
> >> purchased software (which is one issue) but you may not have a qualified
> >> product for using it (which is another issue) but in either or both
> >> cases,
> >> one can still manage to install it - which is another issue.
> >>
> >> Installation method has nothing to do with if the software is legally
> >> purchased or not, and one can use many ways to have a software to be
> >> installed on a computer.
> >>
> >> Mick Murphy simply pointed you to the qualified products for upgrade
> >> version
> >> and that's nothing more and nothing less.
> >>
> >>
> >> "Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> >> news:%23KjLYvs7IHA.3736@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> >> >I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
> >> >upgrade version
> >> > of vista home premium. I wish to do a clean install.
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>

Ringmaster wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:56:49 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
>> <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>>> upgrade version
>>> of vista home premium.
>>
>> Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
>> only from XP Home.
>>
>>
>>> I wish to do a clean install.
>>
>> You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
>> do clean installations.
>
> Classic example of STUPID Microsoft strong arm marketing to get prior
> customers to "over" upgrade.
>
> I was in the same situation, I also have XP Pro. I too wished to
> upgrade to XP Home Premium. Why? Because it had features more useful
> to me than the business version which I ended up switching to.
>
> The point that always zooms over the goofy fanboy crowd is prior to
> Vista then were only two choices, the more common home version and the
> pro version. Now with four choices you are forced to get what you
> don't want. Worse, you end up losing features you did want. Business
> version doesn't include the popular video features I actually wanted.
> What is further annoying is if the business version is a "higher" up
> the totem pole version then why does it exclude features that the home
> premium version has? Simple answer, to try to force you into the most
> expensive Ultimate version. Well, I didn't bite.

Actually, Mr. Ringmaster wrote Santa Claus a letter last year
and asked for Vista Ultimate for Christmas. Santa Claus did
not give him anything last year because Ringmaster was naughty
and not nice!

"Ryan Hayward" <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:u8YvvEz7IHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> My apologies for the misunderstanding.
> Out of curiosity, would a clean install on an upgrade copy also work with
> people who have
> windows me or 98SE?
>
>

Unlike previous versions of Windows a Vista upgrade product key does not
check any shiny media for compliance. It looks on the computer for an
existing Windows instead. In your case it would find XP. Windows ME and 98
do not qualify for upgrade to Vista and Vista upgrade Setup cannot even run
from an ME or 98 desktop. Since there is no shiny media check like XP
upgrade editions use, any ME or 98 cds you have are totally useless with
regards to upgrading to Vista.

Start Vista Setup from the XP desktop and choose Custom install if you wish
to do a "clean install." After the installation you can remove the
windows.old files. All installations of Vista are clean installations of
the OS so there is no need to do a classic clean install.

"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:f90n849unv8a0jjo2gk47hi3acl4o8habb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
> <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>> upgrade version
>> of vista home premium.
>
>
> Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
> only from XP Home.
>
>
>> I wish to do a clean install.
>
>
> You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
> do clean installations.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Strangely enough, you were wrong.
Also http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060730-7384.html

"Note that the requirement for clean installs does not mean that the user is
required to purchase a full version of the operating system. XP Pro, XP Pro
x64 and Windows 2000 users will still be able to purchase the "upgrade
edition" of any version of Vista. They just won't be able to upgrade with
their existing files and settings in place."

On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:35:52 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
<blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:

>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:f90n849unv8a0jjo2gk47hi3acl4o8habb@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:00:58 +0800, "Ryan Hayward"
>> <blackclouds@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I currently have xp professional installed. Can I legally purchase the
>>> upgrade version
>>> of vista home premium.
>>
>>
>> Certainly. However you can not use it to upgrade from XP Professional,
>> only from XP Home.
>>
>>
>>> I wish to do a clean install.
>>
>>
>> You can not do that either. Unlike with XP, Vista upgrade disks don't
>> do clean installations.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
>Strangely enough, you were wrong.

Colin needs to conduct a seminar for all the MVPs to bring them up to
date on EULAs and OEM vs Retail discs, and what can and cannot be done
with either.

FAST.


>Also http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060730-7384.html
>
>"Note that the requirement for clean installs does not mean that the user is
>required to purchase a full version of the operating system. XP Pro, XP Pro
>x64 and Windows 2000 users will still be able to purchase the "upgrade
>edition" of any version of Vista. They just won't be able to upgrade with
>their existing files and settings in place."