On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 09:59:49 -0400, Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:

> Linux is free only if your time has no value.

Then it's just what you need!

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Moshe Goldfarb.
<brick_n_straw******.com>
wrote
on Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:49:48 -0400
<1tts9auingks3.196e4gp24tbjc$.dlg@40tude.net>:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:36:54 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw******.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:12:49 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>> * Ben peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never really seen a live CD as a fair trial. My only use of them so
>>>>> far has been to play chess while installing the OS from the live CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're slow, don't have full functionality, and leave the person
>>>>> thinking that's what the full product might be like if they know
>>>>> absolutely nothing about Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Live CDs as a trial as pretty much the same thing as giving someone last
>>>>> week's leftovers as a try before you buy. at a Deli or something.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed you're kind of a down-in-the-mouth guy about things Linux.
>>>
>>> Translation:
>>>
>>> You don't have your tinfoil suit on and have your antenna's tuned to the
>>> Roy Schestowitz station.
>>>
>>> Maybe Roy Schestowitz will offer Ben the same deal he has apparently
>>> offered you Linonut?
>>
>> I call it the "Schestowitz shilling" where "shilling" has a double
>> meaning. Quite clever I think *brag*.
>
> Good one!!
> Very creative in fact!
>

Mmmm....the Simon Bar Sinister approach. Are we all supposed to have
hats with blinking lights on, too?

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In comp.os.linux.advocacy, skydweller
<peorgie@commiemartyrs.net>
wrote
on 22 Jul 2008 18:17:09 GMT
<48862425$0$5023$607ed4bc@cv.net>:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:36:54 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw******.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:12:49 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>> * Ben peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never really seen a live CD as a fair trial. My only use of them
>>>>> so far has been to play chess while installing the OS from the live
>>>>> CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're slow, don't have full functionality, and leave the person
>>>>> thinking that's what the full product might be like if they know
>>>>> absolutely nothing about Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Live CDs as a trial as pretty much the same thing as giving someone
>>>>> last week's leftovers as a try before you buy. at a Deli or
>>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> I've noticed you're kind of a down-in-the-mouth guy about things
>>>> Linux.
>>>
>>> Translation:
>>>
>>> You don't have your tinfoil suit on and have your antenna's tuned to
>>> the Roy Schestowitz station.
>>>
>>> Maybe Roy Schestowitz will offer Ben the same deal he has apparently
>>> offered you Linonut?
>>
>> I call it the "Schestowitz shilling" where "shilling" has a double
>> meaning. Quite clever I think *brag*.
>
> There are six flavors of quark; of these, you might be any of down,
> strange, or bottom. Whichever it may be, the meaning is obvious. No
> cleverness required.
>

I dunno; I think Hadron's a little more massive than a
subatomic particle. :-P

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark)

Generation Weak Flavor Name Symbol Charge Mass
Isospin (e) (MeV/c^2)
1 +1/2 I_z=+1/2 Up u +2/3 1.5 – 4.0
1 -1/2 I_z=-1/2 Down d -1/3 4 – 8
2 +1/2 C=1 Charm c +2/3 1150 – 1350
2 -1/2 S=-1 Strange s -1/3 80 – 130
3 +1/2 T=1 Top t +2/3 170900 +/- 1800
3 -1/2 B'=-1 Bottom b -1/3 4100 – 4400

For purposes of comparison 1 kg = about 5.60959 * 10^29 MeV/c^2,
which is far more than even the OhMyGod particle, which was
apparently about 3 * 10^14 MeV -- or 51 joules, about the
same energy as a thrown baseball.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-h...rgy_cosmic_ray

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skydweller wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:36:54 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Goldfarb." <brick_n_straw******.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:12:49 -0400, Linonut wrote:
>>>
>>>> * Ben peremptorily fired off this memo:
>>>>
>>>>> I've never really seen a live CD as a fair trial. My only use of them
>>>>> so far has been to play chess while installing the OS from the live
>>>>> CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> They're slow, don't have full functionality, and leave the person
>>>>> thinking that's what the full product might be like if they know
>>>>> absolutely nothing about Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> Live CDs as a trial as pretty much the same thing as giving someone
>>>>> last week's leftovers as a try before you buy. at a Deli or
>>>>> something.
>>>> I've noticed you're kind of a down-in-the-mouth guy about things
>>>> Linux.
>>> Translation:
>>>
>>> You don't have your tinfoil suit on and have your antenna's tuned to
>>> the Roy Schestowitz station.
>>>
>>> Maybe Roy Schestowitz will offer Ben the same deal he has apparently
>>> offered you Linonut?
>> I call it the "Schestowitz shilling" where "shilling" has a double
>> meaning. Quite clever I think *brag*.
>
> There are six flavors of quark; of these, you might be any of down,
> strange, or bottom. Whichever it may be, the meaning is obvious. No
> cleverness required.
>
>
>


He's not any of those. There is also the Hadron Collider. The collider
fits better.
caver1

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:11:30 -0400, Linonut wrote:

> * HeyBub peremptorily fired off this memo:
>
>> Well, no. If 8 million folks are using Linux, out of 1 billion desktop
>> installation, that's about right.
>>
>> By some estimates, there are about 8 million truely insane people on
>> the globe. There is some disagreement about the overlap between these
>> two groups.
>
> Idiot.

I think he meant that as a compliment. I certainly took it as one.

--
Andy Jacobs

Oh Jesus, the FUD!!
I have never had a Linux install take more than 3-4 hours to install,
configure, get addins and tweak.
I wouldn't use it for my everyday personal desktop, but for business use, it
does everything we need and runs well on P3/256MB systems that would have
been relegated to the trash heap without the conversion.

My personal dislike of Vista has cost some OEM 40+ machine sales SO FAR and
MS 40+ OS license sales.

Obviously MS thinks Vista is the cat's meow. I think the cat is only good as
ingredients for stir fry at this point...
I still haven't figured out how transplanting the hind legs to where the
ears belong improves security...

<snip drivel>

Not Me wrote:
> Oh Jesus, the FUD!!
> I have never had a Linux install take more than 3-4 hours to install,
> configure, get addins and tweak.
> I wouldn't use it for my everyday personal desktop, but for business use, it
> does everything we need and runs well on P3/256MB systems that would have
> been relegated to the trash heap without the conversion.
>
> My personal dislike of Vista has cost some OEM 40+ machine sales SO FAR and
> MS 40+ OS license sales.
>
> Obviously MS thinks Vista is the cat's meow. I think the cat is only good as
> ingredients for stir fry at this point...
> I still haven't figured out how transplanting the hind legs to where the
> ears belong improves security...
>
> <snip drivel>
>
>


Hehe, it is remarkable that MS Fanboys feel the need to keep defending
when their lead is already astronomical. Worse still their defense is
based on completely unnecessary FUD and lies instead of reality.

I have found one old machine even Debian won't install on, I am now sure
that is a hardware fault. Everything else will get Linux up and running
in about 4 hours, including updates, which is roughly the same as XP.

I agree that for games and such Linux lags behind, that is because games
are about profit and the software is not out there yet, I don't
necessarily agree that it is not suitable for a personal desktop though,
your choice and mine of course which is how things should be.

But as for the cat analogy I think you are right, change for appearances
sake was not needed and do see a lot of that. I can't say I've ever stir
fried a cat, bit for the legs / ears part I can see exactly what you mean.

But being realistic I think the Fanboys as typified in this thread do MS
a distinct disservice.

MS has huge potential, perhaps expecially so in the present economic
climate. They are already a world leader and by contrast to the
crumbling economy, collapsing financial institutions that everybody
thought were indestructible and Governments that clearly have no idea
what the hell they are doing, MS at least DO appear to be fairly
coordinated.

But it seems that the follow up to XP should have been a lot more
"Adoptable" than it has been, and although you state "Personal dislike"
above I bet you really mean "Cost of upgrading Vs. Benefits". Especially
for business.

True, to really move on you need a 64 bit machine and lots of memory
(assuming you have the work for it like Video, Graphics etc) and the
hardware investment is worth it, but for any business using XP 32 and
thinking of moving to Vista 32 the upheaval does not seem justified.