On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:19 -0400, DFS wrote:
[color=blue]
> "When I first installed, it would freeze up after a minute of using firefox
> (non-gecko browsers like opera lasted a little longer). Big webpages
> contributed, and even more if they had flash.
>
> I installed the original driver for my wireless card through ndiswrapper,
> and now the freezes only happen after about a day of uptime. Sometimes I can
> move my mouse and can CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE or CTRL+SYSRQ+R-E-I-S-U-B out, but
> usually the mouse can't move and I have to hard reboot. Neither of which
> allow sound to continue. The first scenario is probably a compiz or nautilus
> issue, and happens rarely."
>
> #278 at
> [url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=28[/url]
>
>
>
> Linux just works[/color]

Fun with Linux!!!

Linux is only free if your time has no value.

--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
[url]http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/[/url]

Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:31:19 -0400, DFS wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "When I first installed, it would freeze up after a minute of using firefox
>> (non-gecko browsers like opera lasted a little longer). Big webpages
>> contributed, and even more if they had flash.
>>
>> I installed the original driver for my wireless card through ndiswrapper,
>> and now the freezes only happen after about a day of uptime. Sometimes I can
>> move my mouse and can CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE or CTRL+SYSRQ+R-E-I-S-U-B out, but
>> usually the mouse can't move and I have to hard reboot. Neither of which
>> allow sound to continue. The first scenario is probably a compiz or nautilus
>> issue, and happens rarely."
>>
>> #278 at
>> [url]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=765510&highlight=freeze&page=28[/url]
>>
>>
>>
>> Linux just works[/color]
>
> Fun with Linux!!!
>
> Linux is only free if your time has no value.
>[/color]

Funny, relatively few people have problems like these in Linux compared
to Windows. But we all know about the problems Windows has so nobody
bothers mention them any more, while people like you think it's fun to
point the finger at Linux and rave about how bad it is, because of what
happens in a much smaller minority of cases than Windows. ;)

Micoshaft asstroturfing fraudster pounding the sock Moshe Goldfarb.
wrote on behalf of Half Wits from Micoshaft Department of Marketing:

[color=blue]
> Fun with Linux!!!
>
> Linux is only free if your time has no value.[/color]

Would you listen to Micoshaft sponsored fraudsters pounding
their asstroturfing sock puppets that claim something as big
as Linux has no value just because Linux is a direct threat to their
business?


Certainly NOT!

You would go try some free Linux out first.

[url]http://www.livecdlist.com[/url]
[url]http://www.distrowatch.com[/url]

If Linux is so bad, then how come something like GParted liveCD
can boot a dead PC and repair a hosed hard disk on a WINDUMMY PC?

And how come Sabayon Linux just boots from CD and has a 3D desktop
with 3D games like Nexuiz?

Also the freeze experience of real life Micoshaft WINDUMMY PCs is that
they freeze more often in every office, every day, every minute of every
day.


Switching to Linux helps prevent freezing PCs in the office (TM).

[url]http://www.livecdlist.com[/url]
[url]http://www.distrowatch.com[/url]

I am administering linux installed on approximately 20 machines (home
and work). Out of them about 16 are Ubuntu. One experiences periodic
freezes (once a week), and that one runs Ubuntu Hardy. I have
approximately 7 or so more Ubuntu Hardy machines (desktops and
laptops) and they do not freeze, in the last 2 months or so at least.

Everything running Gutsy is totally rock solid. However, I feel that
installing Hardy on anything where big money is at stake, is premature
at this point.

I try to make sure that these Gutsy machines are upgradeable. I have a
feeling that Hardy is improving and in several months I will start
deploying it to some production servers.

Somewhat contrary to this, I installed Hardy on my replacement
personal webserver a while ago and it seems to be in good shape, I
will take it to the data center soon.

i

Ignoramus2031 wrote:[color=blue]
> I am administering linux installed on approximately 20 machines (home
> and work). Out of them about 16 are Ubuntu. One experiences periodic
> freezes (once a week), and that one runs Ubuntu Hardy. I have
> approximately 7 or so more Ubuntu Hardy machines (desktops and
> laptops) and they do not freeze, in the last 2 months or so at least.
>
> Everything running Gutsy is totally rock solid. However, I feel that
> installing Hardy on anything where big money is at stake, is premature
> at this point.
>
> I try to make sure that these Gutsy machines are upgradeable. I have a
> feeling that Hardy is improving and in several months I will start
> deploying it to some production servers.
>
> Somewhat contrary to this, I installed Hardy on my replacement
> personal webserver a while ago and it seems to be in good shape, I
> will take it to the data center soon.
>
> i[/color]

Well I think it interesting that when Vista goes belly up the fanboys
blame the hardware, the drivers, the OEMs or whatever but when Linux
machines have a problem it's "Linux sucks".

Lets be fair here, I have had several identical machines and one froze
randomly no matter what OS it was running.

* Ben peremptorily fired off this memo:
[color=blue]
> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:[color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Linux just works[/color]
>>
>> Fun with Linux!!!
>>
>> Linux is only free if your time has no value.[/color]
>
> Funny, relatively few people have problems like these in Linux compared
> to Windows. But we all know about the problems Windows has so nobody
> bothers mention them any more, while people like you think it's fun to
> point the finger at Linux and rave about how bad it is, because of what
> happens in a much smaller minority of cases than Windows. ;)[/color]

Most people live with Windows the way some people live with arthritis.

--
Whenever one person is found adequate to the discharge of a duty by
close application thereto, it is worse executed by two persons and
scarcely done at all if three or more are employed therein.
-- George Washington, 1732-1799

* Ignoramus2031 peremptorily fired off this memo:
[color=blue]
> I am administering linux installed on approximately 20 machines (home
> and work). Out of them about 16 are Ubuntu. One experiences periodic
> freezes (once a week), and that one runs Ubuntu Hardy. I have
> approximately 7 or so more Ubuntu Hardy machines (desktops and
> laptops) and they do not freeze, in the last 2 months or so at least.
>
> Everything running Gutsy is totally rock solid. However, I feel that
> installing Hardy on anything where big money is at stake, is premature
> at this point.[/color]

Could be. Just make sure you actually diagnose the problem.
[color=blue]
> I try to make sure that these Gutsy machines are upgradeable. I have a
> feeling that Hardy is improving and in several months I will start
> deploying it to some production servers.
>
> Somewhat contrary to this, I installed Hardy on my replacement
> personal webserver a while ago and it seems to be in good shape, I
> will take it to the data center soon.[/color]

All too many problem-threads found on the internet consist of various
blind men making stabs at guessing the problem, and offering
superstitious advice such as "switch distros" or "reinstall Windows".

Both operating systems have many diagnostic tools. Everyone who cares
about system maintenance should try to learn to use them.

--
"Free markets select for winning solutions."
-- Eric S. Raymond

Linonut wrote:[color=blue]
> * Ben peremptorily fired off this memo:
>[color=green]
>> Moshe Goldfarb. wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>> Linux just works
>>> Fun with Linux!!!
>>>
>>> Linux is only free if your time has no value.[/color]
>> Funny, relatively few people have problems like these in Linux compared
>> to Windows. But we all know about the problems Windows has so nobody
>> bothers mention them any more, while people like you think it's fun to
>> point the finger at Linux and rave about how bad it is, because of what
>> happens in a much smaller minority of cases than Windows. ;)[/color]
>
> Most people live with Windows the way some people live with arthritis.
>[/color]

And various other chronic illnesses. ;)

Just keep remembering to give your Windows machine its medication (aka.
anti-virus and firewall updates) and everything will be fine... ish.

In article <onJgk.4501$t32.4222@bignews3.bellsouth.net>, [email]linonut@be11south.net[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
>* Ignoramus2031 peremptorily fired off this memo:
>[color=green]
>> I am administering linux installed on approximately 20 machines (home
>> and work). Out of them about 16 are Ubuntu. One experiences periodic
>> freezes (once a week), and that one runs Ubuntu Hardy. I have
>> approximately 7 or so more Ubuntu Hardy machines (desktops and
>> laptops) and they do not freeze, in the last 2 months or so at least.
>>
>> Everything running Gutsy is totally rock solid. However, I feel that
>> installing Hardy on anything where big money is at stake, is premature
>> at this point.[/color]
>
>Could be. Just make sure you actually diagnose the problem.
>[color=green]
>> I try to make sure that these Gutsy machines are upgradeable. I have a
>> feeling that Hardy is improving and in several months I will start
>> deploying it to some production servers.
>>
>> Somewhat contrary to this, I installed Hardy on my replacement
>> personal webserver a while ago and it seems to be in good shape, I
>> will take it to the data center soon.[/color]
>
>All too many problem-threads found on the internet consist of various
>blind men making stabs at guessing the problem, and offering
>superstitious advice such as "switch distros" or "reinstall Windows".
>
>Both operating systems have many diagnostic tools. Everyone who cares
>about system maintenance should try to learn to use them.[/color]

Yep ... and yet, for many years, "reboot" was the help desk's helpful answer
to almost all windows problems.
Thankfully, this is no longer true (or as necessary :) ) with XP. No data on
Vista, other than multiple lock ups on a lap top while trying to play DVDs.

Here's another one. Today a Gutsy server locked up.

I had this happen a while ago on another server where the disk was
bad, and there were bad sectors in the swap file. The data in bad
sectors confused the kernel (no surprise) and it started doing
oom-killer. Replacing the hard drive cured the problem.

So I want to look at HP Proliant SmartArray disks, but unfortunately,
they are behind hardware SCSI. So smartmontools does not support them,
per Bruce Allen.

So what do I do? How can I diagnoze these disks?

output from /var/log/messages

i


Jul 20 00:22:33 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820009] perl invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0xd0, order=0, oomkilladj=0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820022] [out_of_memory+389/448] out_of_memory+0x185/0x1c0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820033] [__alloc_pages+700/784] __alloc_pages+0x2bc/0x310
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820036] [vma_link+96/256] vma_link+0x60/0x100
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820044] [__get_free_pages+56/64] __get_free_pages+0x38/0x40
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820046] [proc_info_read+69/192] proc_info_read+0x45/0xc0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820053] [vfs_read+188/352] vfs_read+0xbc/0x160
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820057] [proc_info_read+0/192] proc_info_read+0x0/0xc0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820060] [sys_read+65/112] sys_read+0x41/0x70
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820065] [sysenter_past_esp+107/161] sysenter_past_esp+0x6b/0xa1
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820071] =======================
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820074] Mem-info:
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820076] DMA per-cpu:
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820077] CPU 0: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820081] CPU 1: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820084] CPU 2: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820086] CPU 3: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820088] CPU 4: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820092] CPU 5: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820095] CPU 6: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820098] CPU 7: Hot: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0 Cold: hi: 0, btch: 1 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820101] Normal per-cpu:
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820103] CPU 0: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 135 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 57
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820106] CPU 1: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 115 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 57
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820110] CPU 2: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 130 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 60
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820113] CPU 3: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 129 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 47
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820117] CPU 4: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 29 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 53
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820119] CPU 5: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 92 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 60
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820123] CPU 6: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 170 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 52
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820126] CPU 7: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 121 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 53
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820128] HighMem per-cpu:
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820131] CPU 0: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 61 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820135] CPU 1: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 155 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 8
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820138] CPU 2: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 8 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 8
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820142] CPU 3: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 135 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820145] CPU 4: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 81 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 8
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820148] CPU 5: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 71 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 10
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820151] CPU 6: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 51 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 12
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820154] CPU 7: Hot: hi: 186, btch: 31 usd: 166 Cold: hi: 62, btch: 15 usd: 12
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820159] Active:98677 inactive:6131 dirty:1 writeback:0 unstable:0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820160] free:1761992 slab:8252 mapped:4651 pagetables:305 bounce:0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820164] DMA free:3504kB min:68kB low:84kB high:100kB active:36kB inactive:0kB present:16256kB pages_scanned:51 all_unreclaimable? yes
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820166] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 873 8874
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820175] Normal free:3700kB min:3744kB low:4680kB high:5616kB active:256kB inactive:76kB present:894080kB pages_scanned:506 all_unreclaimable? yes
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820178] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 64008
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820183] HighMem free:7040764kB min:512kB low:9096kB high:17684kB active:394416kB inactive:24448kB present:8193024kB pages_scanned:0 all_unreclaimable? no
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820186] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820192] DMA: 2*4kB 6*8kB 8*16kB 1*32kB 0*64kB 0*128kB 1*256kB 0*512kB 1*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 3544kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820204] Normal: 0*4kB 61*8kB 14*16kB 5*32kB 3*64kB 0*128kB 0*256kB 1*512kB 0*1024kB 1*2048kB 0*4096kB = 3624kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820212] HighMem: 50749*4kB 40737*8kB 23922*16kB 9009*32kB 2165*64kB 765*128kB 548*256kB 788*512kB 520*1024kB 325*2048kB 943*4096kB = 7040764kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820226] Swap cache: add 0, delete 0, find 0/0, race 0+0
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820229] Free swap = 5855652kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820231] Total swap = 5855652kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.820232] Free swap: 5855652kB
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845074] 2293759 pages of RAM
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845079] 2064383 pages of HIGHMEM
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845080] 216220 reserved pages
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845081] 93055 pages shared
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845085] 0 pages swap cached
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845087] 1 pages dirty
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845089] 0 pages writeback
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845092] 4651 pages mapped
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845094] 8252 pages slab
Jul 20 00:22:35 smilefdlx01 kernel: [373891.845096] 305 pages pagetables

On 2008-07-20, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:[color=blue]
> * Ignoramus2031 peremptorily fired off this memo:
>[color=green]
>> I am administering linux installed on approximately 20 machines (home
>> and work). Out of them about 16 are Ubuntu. One experiences periodic
>> freezes (once a week), and that one runs Ubuntu Hardy. I have
>> approximately 7 or so more Ubuntu Hardy machines (desktops and
>> laptops) and they do not freeze, in the last 2 months or so at least.
>>
>> Everything running Gutsy is totally rock solid. However, I feel that
>> installing Hardy on anything where big money is at stake, is premature
>> at this point.[/color]
>
> Could be. Just make sure you actually diagnose the problem.
>[color=green]
>> I try to make sure that these Gutsy machines are upgradeable. I have a
>> feeling that Hardy is improving and in several months I will start
>> deploying it to some production servers.
>>
>> Somewhat contrary to this, I installed Hardy on my replacement
>> personal webserver a while ago and it seems to be in good shape, I
>> will take it to the data center soon.[/color]
>
> All too many problem-threads found on the internet consist of various
> blind men making stabs at guessing the problem, and offering
> superstitious advice such as "switch distros" or "reinstall Windows".
>
> Both operating systems have many diagnostic tools. Everyone who cares
> about system maintenance should try to learn to use them.
>[/color]

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* Igoramus6286 peremptorily fired off this memo:
[color=blue]
> Here's another one. Today a Gutsy server locked up.
>
> I had this happen a while ago on another server where the disk was
> bad, and there were bad sectors in the swap file. The data in bad
> sectors confused the kernel (no surprise) and it started doing
> oom-killer. Replacing the hard drive cured the problem.
>
> So I want to look at HP Proliant SmartArray disks, but unfortunately,
> they are behind hardware SCSI. So smartmontools does not support them,
> per Bruce Allen.
>
> So what do I do? How can I diagnoze these disks?
>
> output from /var/log/messages[color=green]
>>
>> Both operating systems have many diagnostic tools. Everyone who cares
>> about system maintenance should try to learn to use them.[/color][/color]

Yeah, I had audacious (audio player) crash on me. Segfault.

So I run "strace audacious", and see a reference to a config file for
it. I delete it, and audadcious comes up fine and creates a new config
file.

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On 2008-07-21, Linonut <linonut@bollsouth.nut> wrote:[color=blue]
> * Igoramus6286 peremptorily fired off this memo:
>[color=green]
>> Here's another one. Today a Gutsy server locked up.
>>
>> I had this happen a while ago on another server where the disk was
>> bad, and there were bad sectors in the swap file. The data in bad
>> sectors confused the kernel (no surprise) and it started doing
>> oom-killer. Replacing the hard drive cured the problem.
>>
>> So I want to look at HP Proliant SmartArray disks, but unfortunately,
>> they are behind hardware SCSI. So smartmontools does not support them,
>> per Bruce Allen.
>>
>> So what do I do? How can I diagnoze these disks?
>>
>> output from /var/log/messages[color=darkred]
>>>
>>> Both operating systems have many diagnostic tools. Everyone who cares
>>> about system maintenance should try to learn to use them.[/color][/color]
>
> Yeah, I had audacious (audio player) crash on me. Segfault.
>
> So I run "strace audacious", and see a reference to a config file for
> it. I delete it, and audadcious comes up fine and creates a new config
> file.
>[/color]

And how do I "strace" a system lockup?

Alternatively, has anyone tried running a kernel watchdog?
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