Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to XP
and use the Vista key.

If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like for
like ie vista pro for XP pro??

Thanks in advance.

:o)

If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
follow this procedure:

How to downgrade:

Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen -- which
is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by phone"
option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
the procedure.


Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
for downgrade rights.

Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Spikey" wrote:

Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to XP
and use the Vista key.

If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like for
like ie vista pro for XP pro??

Thanks in advance.

:o)

Thanks Carey.

Unfortunately its home premium, embedded. I just wanted to check before I
payed out

Would you leave the vista on the partition and install XP or get rid of it
completely? I suppose I'm asking whether it will intefere with the running
of XP? I've read a few dual boot issues and wouldnt be using it.

While I have you here so to speak can you tell me where vistas updates are
stored? I have hidden files set to view and operating system files also but
cant find the wretched things via dos. I'd assumed its under
AdvancedInstallers/appwiz.cpl but cant see it.

Thanks again.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
> follow this procedure:
>
> How to downgrade:
>
> Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
> came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen --
> which
> is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by
> phone"
> option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
> a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
> him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
> the procedure.
>
>
> Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
> for downgrade rights.
>
> Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
> http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Spikey" wrote:
>
> Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
> forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to
> XP
> and use the Vista key.
>
> If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like
> for
> like ie vista pro for XP pro??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> :o)
>
>
>

Well, I would recommend staying exclusively with Windows Vista.
Do you have a compelling need to use Windows XP?

Windows Vista Update files are located in the \ Windows \ SoftwareDistribution folder.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows Desktop Experience -
Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message news:MZqdnYmqNa18zOvVnZ2dnUVZ8qPinZ2d@posted.plusn et...
Thanks Carey.

Unfortunately its home premium, embedded. I just wanted to check before I
payed out

Would you leave the vista on the partition and install XP or get rid of it
completely? I suppose I'm asking whether it will intefere with the running
of XP? I've read a few dual boot issues and wouldnt be using it.

While I have you here so to speak can you tell me where vistas updates are
stored? I have hidden files set to view and operating system files also but
cant find the wretched things via dos. I'd assumed its under
AdvancedInstallers/appwiz.cpl but cant see it.

Thanks again.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
> follow this procedure:
>
> How to downgrade:
>
> Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
> came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen --
> which
> is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by
> phone"
> option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
> a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
> him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
> the procedure.
>
>
> Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
> for downgrade rights.
>
> Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
> http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Spikey" wrote:
>
> Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
> forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to
> XP
> and use the Vista key.
>
> If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like
> for
> like ie vista pro for XP pro??
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> :o)
>
>
>

Yes, you can dual boot XP with Vista. Create a partition for XP. I haven't
done it because I'm satisfied with Vista and all of my XP applications and
programs run fine on Vista.

To view Vista updates:
Control Panel\System and Maintenance\Windows update\View update history


--
oscar :)

....Right click is your best friend...


"Spikey" wrote:

> Thanks Carey.
>
> Unfortunately its home premium, embedded. I just wanted to check before I
> payed out
>
> Would you leave the vista on the partition and install XP or get rid of it
> completely? I suppose I'm asking whether it will intefere with the running
> of XP? I've read a few dual boot issues and wouldnt be using it.
>
> While I have you here so to speak can you tell me where vistas updates are
> stored? I have hidden files set to view and operating system files also but
> cant find the wretched things via dos. I'd assumed its under
> AdvancedInstallers/appwiz.cpl but cant see it.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
> > follow this procedure:
> >
> > How to downgrade:
> >
> > Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
> > came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen --
> > which
> > is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by
> > phone"
> > option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
> > a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
> > him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
> > the procedure.
> >
> >
> > Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
> > for downgrade rights.
> >
> > Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
> > http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf
> >
> > --
> > Carey Frisch
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows Desktop Experience -
> > Windows Vista Enthusiast
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Spikey" wrote:
> >
> > Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
> > forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to
> > XP
> > and use the Vista key.
> >
> > If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like
> > for
> > like ie vista pro for XP pro??
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > :o)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

"Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MZqdnYmqNa18zOvVnZ2dnUVZ8qPinZ2d@posted.plusn et...

>

If you already have a retail copy of XP that is not being used on any
computer you can use it to run XP on your Vista desktop without having to
partition your hard drive or dual boot. You can use Virtual PC 2007 to
create the virtual computer and then use the XP cd to install XP. You can
install and run applications just like in XP on a physical computer. There
are few limitations. Although you will see that VPC is not "supported" on
Vista Home Premium, that does NOT mean it doesn't run. It runs very well.
It just isn't eligible for phone and email support from MS unless you are
using Vista Business or Ultimate. There is a group of VPC users at
microsoft.public.virtualpc.

VPC 2007 SP1 is a free MS program and is at:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en

Spikey wrote:
> Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
> forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to XP.....


Sort of. You have to have an OEM or Volume License for Vista Business
or Vista Ultimate, and you can only downgrade to WinXP Pro, I believe.
The Vista Home versions have no downgrade rights.


> and use the Vista key.
>


No, that's completely false. You have to have a valid retail WinXP Pro
CD and Product Key. (Even if that Product Key is already in use elsewhere.)

> If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like for
> like ie vista pro for XP pro??
>

No, it wouldn't be possible to downgrade an embedded OS at all, as that
would entail replacing the semi-conductor chip(s) on which it resides.


--

Bruce Chambers

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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell

The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot

If you are downgrading to XP from Vista you are no longer licensed to use
that Vista install - since you have chosen to downgrade to an XP license.
(Of course at a later date you can go back up) - but you are not licensed to
run both on the same machine, so your Vista install that you intend to leave
is no longer legally licensed for your use - as you have downgraded the
license to an XP one.
You can try (and others will advise you to play semantic game with the
license saying you are downgrading then upgrading then downgrading again as
you switch between your dual boot system - however the license is required
at install time. So you install XP under your downgrade rights then the
original Vista install is no longer licensed. If you subsequently reinstall
Vista and leave XP on there then that XP is no longer a properly licensed
install as the Vista install has used the license which is now regraded back
to a Vista one - so you have no license for the XP install.

Sorry if this seems confusing but if you have only one license - you are
licensed to install the OS that that license is graded as (Vista or
downgrade to XP) only and not both.

So if your system has Vista currently installed and you wish to install a
copy of XP using that Vista license downgraded to XP then you must remove
the Vista install.
--

Mike Brannigan
"Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:MZqdnYmqNa18zOvVnZ2dnUVZ8qPinZ2d@posted.plusn et...
> Thanks Carey.
>
> Unfortunately its home premium, embedded. I just wanted to check before I
> payed out
>
> Would you leave the vista on the partition and install XP or get rid of it
> completely? I suppose I'm asking whether it will intefere with the
> running of XP? I've read a few dual boot issues and wouldnt be using it.
>
> While I have you here so to speak can you tell me where vistas updates are
> stored? I have hidden files set to view and operating system files also
> but cant find the wretched things via dos. I'd assumed its under
> AdvancedInstallers/appwiz.cpl but cant see it.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
>> follow this procedure:
>>
>> How to downgrade:
>>
>> Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
>> came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen --
>> which
>> is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by
>> phone"
>> option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
>> a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
>> him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
>> the procedure.
>>
>>
>> Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
>> for downgrade rights.
>>
>> Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
>> http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience -
>> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Spikey" wrote:
>>
>> Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
>> forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to
>> XP
>> and use the Vista key.
>>
>> If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like
>> for
>> like ie vista pro for XP pro??
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> :o)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
news:#fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

> Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
> came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen
> -- which is near the end of the installation process -- select the
> "activate by phone" option rather than the online method. You'll
> likely end up talking with a live rep; tell him that you're
> downgrading from Vista to XP, and give him the Vista product key. The
> rep will walk you through the rest of the procedure.

Uh, whats the point of that if you have to install XP to do it anyway? May
as well keep the copy of Vista, format the HDD and install their copy of
XP. What if a person doesn't have a copy of XP Pro and wants to downgrade
Vista to XP?

Hi Carey,

Sorry didnt reply straightaway. Headache stopped play.

Several reasons really, although I think my dislike is partly from the
home/pro issue and also the embedded versions of any OS have always proved
to be problematic IMO.

I like several of the diagnostic features of vista but had fixed XP pro just
how i liked it. I cant justify the outlay to go up to vista pro whereas xp
pro is cheap. I'm maintaining 3 pcs, 1 xp pro, 1xp home and the vista home
premium and to be honest I'm struggling getting the old brain to swap
between them. I also have an A3 printer which doesnt function fully under
vista. Office 2k is glitchy which is probably to be expected but again I
cant really justify a newer version. Also seems quite slow compared to the
old PC which is a third of the processor speed and memory.



"Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
news:eUu64rr4IHA.1892@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Well, I would recommend staying exclusively with Windows Vista.
> Do you have a compelling need to use Windows XP?
>
> Windows Vista Update files are located in the \ Windows \
> SoftwareDistribution folder.
>
> --
> Carey Frisch
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience -
> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:MZqdnYmqNa18zOvVnZ2dnUVZ8qPinZ2d@posted.plusn et...
> Thanks Carey.
>
> Unfortunately its home premium, embedded. I just wanted to check before I
> payed out
>
> Would you leave the vista on the partition and install XP or get rid of it
> completely? I suppose I'm asking whether it will intefere with the
> running
> of XP? I've read a few dual boot issues and wouldnt be using it.
>
> While I have you here so to speak can you tell me where vistas updates are
> stored? I have hidden files set to view and operating system files also
> but
> cant find the wretched things via dos. I'd assumed its under
> AdvancedInstallers/appwiz.cpl but cant see it.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" <cnfrisch@nospamgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%23fULTXr4IHA.4392@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> If you have either Vista Business or Ultimate edition,
>> follow this procedure:
>>
>> How to downgrade:
>>
>> Install a copy of Windows XP Professional with the product key that
>> came with that copy, and then when you come to the activation screen --
>> which
>> is near the end of the installation process -- select the "activate by
>> phone"
>> option rather than the online method. You'll likely end up talking with
>> a live rep; tell him that you're downgrading from Vista to XP, and give
>> him the Vista product key. The rep will walk you through the rest of
>> the procedure.
>>
>>
>> Note: Windows Vista Home Premium and Vista Basic are not eligible
>> for downgrade rights.
>>
>> Windows Vista Downgrade Rights Explained:
>> http://download.microsoft.com/downlo...rencesheet.pdf
>>
>> --
>> Carey Frisch
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows Desktop Experience -
>> Windows Vista Enthusiast
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> "Spikey" wrote:
>>
>> Can someone confirm (or deny) this please. I have read a post on another
>> forum that claims if you have a legal copy of Vista you can downgrade to
>> XP
>> and use the Vista key.
>>
>> If this is possible will it apply to an embedded OS and will it be like
>> for
>> like ie vista pro for XP pro??
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> :o)
>>
>>
>>
>
>

"Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:jPSdndyk-qrV3OXVnZ2dnUVZ8q_inZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Hi Carey,
>
> Sorry didnt reply straightaway. Headache stopped play.
>
> Several reasons really, although I think my dislike is partly from the
> home/pro issue and also the embedded versions of any OS have always proved
> to be problematic IMO.
>
>

Spikey, just so you know, "embedded" is used to refer to Windows on a chip
like in Windows Automotive and some mobile devices. I think what you are
referring to is "pre-installed."

Thanks Colin.

At least you knew what I meant.

:o)


"Colin Barnhorst" <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:8C475177-0742-4CF0-A57B-FA7D0A6127AF@microsoft.com...
> "Spikey" <hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:jPSdndyk-qrV3OXVnZ2dnUVZ8q_inZ2d@posted.plusnet...
>> Hi Carey,
>>
>> Sorry didnt reply straightaway. Headache stopped play.
>>
>> Several reasons really, although I think my dislike is partly from the
>> home/pro issue and also the embedded versions of any OS have always
>> proved to be problematic IMO.
>>
>>
>
> Spikey, just so you know, "embedded" is used to refer to Windows on a chip
> like in Windows Automotive and some mobile devices. I think what you are
> referring to is "pre-installed."

617F50196018@"oscar" <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > To
view Vista updates:
> Control Panel\System and Maintenance\Windows update\View update history
>
And via Dos??

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 03:59:38 +0100, "Spikey"
<hedge_hogg@NOSPAMbtinternet.com> wrote:

>
>617F50196018@"oscar" <oscar@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > To
>view Vista updates:
>> Control Panel\System and Maintenance\Windows update\View update history
>>
>And via Dos??

DOS? What's that?