Gotermeyer******.com wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:28:59 -0400, Hobbes <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote:
>
>
>>> It appears some here are more interested in furthering their agenda
>>> than actually trying to help. I have already said in a reply to
>>> someone else the crash most annoying to me is Windows Explorer and my
>>> downloading of music was with Urge.
>> Seems you got what you initially intended.yes ?
>> An argument.
>
> I got what I've seen many others get when they simply asked for help.
> Disrespect.
>
>> You were extremely vague in the first post and someone took a stab at it.
>
> Accusing me of stealing music P2P wasn't taking a stab at anything. It
> was a typical wise guy put down this newsgroup has a reputation for.
> Most noteworthy it was from a MVP who's purpose is suppose to offer
> help. Instead he insulted me, then tried to lie his way out of it.
>
>> Install ubuntu.
>> You will have it locked up in about 15 minutes.
>
> I'm wondering why the typical response is more like yours then
> offering any real instance.

Well, what else have you downloaded and install on the machine that was
not Vista compliant?

I had a problem with Explorer too. Explorer started crashing because I
installed some software on Vista that was for XP that made Explorer go
into this crash loop. The machine couldn't even get to the desktop. I
had to restore to a point that the software that caused the problem was
not there.

What's to say that some malware has hit the machine that's undetected
that causing you grief?

If you were having problems out of the gate with Vista, that's one
thing. But if all this has started happening out of the blue, then most
likely something has been introduced to the O/S that is causing problems.

:: Alias :: wrote:
> Need to Know wrote:
>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>> Need to Know wrote:
>>>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>> <Gotermeyer******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:f1s864lkopa13uiafftejhi4ceuoqf5j87@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> Been using Home Premium SP1 32 bit for several months, file copying
>>>>>>> seems way slower than XP and it crashes a lot for no apparent
>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>> I mostly use for web surfing and downloading music and some work
>>>>>>> related document writing. I've been thinking of trying Ubuntu, since
>>>>>>> Vista doesn't seem stable. Opinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that
>>>>>> will slow your machine up and cause it to crash..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Run spyware removal procedures and see what happens..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Like a true MS fanboy, Mike assumes that the poster is using
>>>>> something like eMule when, in fact, it could be iTunes which
>>>>> doesn't carry and malware. Why is it that the MS fanboys always
>>>>> assume that posters are doing something illegal? I guess they
>>>>> subscribe to the same crap that WPA and WGA stand for: guilty until
>>>>> proven innocent.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the justification for the insult here Alias?
>>>
>>> Mike Hall's posting history, of course.
>>>
>>> Snip troll drivel.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> You had better look in the mirror Alias. And you had better take a
>> hard look at your own posting history, because you are no bed of roses.
>
> Look who's talking. My posting history has very little insults and no lies.
>


Only you know when you're lying. And you do insult and you attack people.

:: Alias :: wrote:


>
> Liar. FUD spreader. In short, you're a troll.

That's your job, mr liar, mr troll, mr FUD spreader.
Get lost loser!

Need to Know wrote:
> :: Alias :: wrote:
>> Need to Know wrote:
>>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>>> Need to Know wrote:
>>>>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>> <Gotermeyer******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:f1s864lkopa13uiafftejhi4ceuoqf5j87@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> Been using Home Premium SP1 32 bit for several months, file copying
>>>>>>>> seems way slower than XP and it crashes a lot for no apparent
>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>> I mostly use for web surfing and downloading music and some work
>>>>>>>> related document writing. I've been thinking of trying Ubuntu,
>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't seem stable. Opinions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that
>>>>>>> will slow your machine up and cause it to crash..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Run spyware removal procedures and see what happens..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like a true MS fanboy, Mike assumes that the poster is using
>>>>>> something like eMule when, in fact, it could be iTunes which
>>>>>> doesn't carry and malware. Why is it that the MS fanboys always
>>>>>> assume that posters are doing something illegal? I guess they
>>>>>> subscribe to the same crap that WPA and WGA stand for: guilty
>>>>>> until proven innocent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is the justification for the insult here Alias?
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hall's posting history, of course.
>>>>
>>>> Snip troll drivel.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> You had better look in the mirror Alias. And you had better take a
>>> hard look at your own posting history, because you are no bed of roses.
>>
>> Look who's talking. My posting history has very little insults and no
>> lies.
>>
>
>
> Only you know when you're lying.

So you accusing me of lying is what?

> And you do insult and you attack people.

Only when they deserve it.

Alia

:: Alias :: wrote:

>
>
> Look who's talking. My posting history has very little insults and no lies.
>
OMG! You're sick in the head! You are a known and admitted liar, thief,
spammer, linux troll, and a bigoted atheist.
Most of all, you lie to yourself. Self deception is your real sickness.
Maybe your weak personage coupled with your arrogance is the problem.
But for sure you're one really fukked up POS!

In article <WcudncAa6tvgdvnVnZ2dnUVZ_rjinZ2d@giganews.com>,
Stephan Rose <nospam@spammer.com> wrote:
>
>You do realize Ubuntu is based on Debian right? Just wondering since

Ubuntu has a lot of front end stuff grafted on.

>
>I personally find KDE far too cluttered but I suppose I can see it's
>appeal to a windows user in being windows-like.
>
Gnome is just too **** cute. I won't even install it.

<Gotermeyer******.com> wrote in message
news:3j2a641tctpiqsif659bqg12rv7um8494k@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:47 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
> <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:
>
>>> If some MVP is this deliberately dishonest is there a mechanism for
>>> seeing this individual gets the remedial retraining he needs?
>
>>No, I used it in my second reply.. care to read it again?
>
> Reading it once was enough. You attempted to lie and got caught. Is
> that the approved Microsoft policy for MVPs?


If you want to argue, go to one of the many Yahoo chat rooms in existence..


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:: Alias :: wrote:
> Gotermeyer******.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:46 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
>> <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:
>>
>>> Where are you copying files to/from? Some Vista file operations are
>>> quicker than XP, some are slower. Knowing exactly what you're doing
>>> will help diagnose the cause of the slowness.
>>
>> I'm simply copying files from one hard drive to another, not over any
>> network. It doesn't matter if from one internal drive to another or
>> from some internal drive to an external drive or the other way around.
>> The process is sometimes much slower than XP or going out of the shell
>> and using something else to copy.
>>
>> I'm noticed others have similar problems. Is this a known issue?
>
> It's a known Windows issue, made worse with Vista with its indexing. I
> have both XP and Ubuntu installed, with XP on a faster computer. Ubuntu
> does file transfers MUCH faster than XP.
>

That's garbage Alias about the indexing because of the out of the box
defaults that are indexed.

http://www.realtime-vista.com/admini...ng_options.htm

Maybe the OP can do somethings to and tweak.

<http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/08/24/slow-file-and-folder-copy-move-transfer-or-delete-operation-speed-problem-in-vista-fix/>

Alias wrote:
> Need to Know wrote:
>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>> Need to Know wrote:
>>>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>>>> Need to Know wrote:
>>>>>> :: Alias :: wrote:
>>>>>>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>> <Gotermeyer******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:f1s864lkopa13uiafftejhi4ceuoqf5j87@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> Been using Home Premium SP1 32 bit for several months, file
>>>>>>>>> copying
>>>>>>>>> seems way slower than XP and it crashes a lot for no apparent
>>>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>>> I mostly use for web surfing and downloading music and some work
>>>>>>>>> related document writing. I've been thinking of trying Ubuntu,
>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't seem stable. Opinions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that
>>>>>>>> will slow your machine up and cause it to crash..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Run spyware removal procedures and see what happens..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like a true MS fanboy, Mike assumes that the poster is using
>>>>>>> something like eMule when, in fact, it could be iTunes which
>>>>>>> doesn't carry and malware. Why is it that the MS fanboys always
>>>>>>> assume that posters are doing something illegal? I guess they
>>>>>>> subscribe to the same crap that WPA and WGA stand for: guilty
>>>>>>> until proven innocent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is the justification for the insult here Alias?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike Hall's posting history, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> Snip troll drivel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> You had better look in the mirror Alias. And you had better take a
>>>> hard look at your own posting history, because you are no bed of roses.
>>>
>>> Look who's talking. My posting history has very little insults and no
>>> lies.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Only you know when you're lying.
>
> So you accusing me of lying is what?

I am not accusing you of anything but being a troll. Where the heck do
you come to the conclusion that I accused you of lying based on my
statement above.

You accused me of lying with your statement above that.

>
>> And you do insult and you attack people.
>
> Only when they deserve it.

There you go. You're not the saint you keep pretending to be.

>
> Maybe you should be more considerate of people asking for help and not
> jump to conclusions or be defensive. I expected more from a MVP. It
> seems you have a thing for P2P sites. I never use them, yet you
> immediately jumped to that conclusion. As far as being specific maybe
> that would be a good suggestion on how you should frame your replies
> being a MVP and all rather than your shotgun response which totally
> missed the mark.
>
> It appears some here are more interested in furthering their agenda
> than actually trying to help. I have already said in a reply to
> someone else the crash most annoying to me is Windows Explorer and my
> downloading of music was with Urge.

Gotermeyer,

This is your original post.....
Quote:
Been using Home Premium SP1 32 bit for several months, file copying
seems way slower than XP and it crashes a lot for no apparent reason.
I mostly use for web surfing and downloading music and some work
related document writing. I've been thinking of trying Ubuntu, since
Vista doesn't seem stable. Opinions?
End Quote

I fail to see anywhere in that post where you ask for help. You only ask for
opinions about trying Ubuntu or did I missed something here? BTW, Mike's
reply about Downloading music via P2P is a surefire way to pick up crap that
will slow your machine up and cause it to crash could be taken wrong by you.
I'm not Mike and I don't speak for him, however he may have easily meant
someone whom might not know the dangers of a P2P program and not even know
the legality of such. I guarantee you that there is no one in these groups,
myself included, hasn't at some point had something illegal on their system,
but it's also likely they didn't even know it until it was brought to their
attention. I've worked on thousands of systems over the years for my
customers and still to this day I see this all the time where they are
shocked to find out some of the things they have is not legal. It's not
because it was their intention, they were just uneducated.


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"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote in message
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> <Gotermeyer******.com> wrote in message
> news:3j2a641tctpiqsif659bqg12rv7um8494k@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:58:47 -0400, "Mike Hall - MVP"
>> <mikehall@remove_mvps.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> If some MVP is this deliberately dishonest is there a mechanism for
>>>> seeing this individual gets the remedial retraining he needs?
>>
>>>No, I used it in my second reply.. care to read it again?
>>
>> Reading it once was enough. You attempted to lie and got caught. Is
>> that the approved Microsoft policy for MVPs?
>
>
> If you want to argue, go to one of the many Yahoo chat rooms in
> existence..

Mike, this is one of those moments where you expect Allen Funt to show up.
Either that or look for that brick wall to bang your head against. It's
futile.

"the wharf rat" <wrat@panix.com> wrote in message
news:g435ea$7rd$1@reader2.panix.com...
>>
>>You do realize Ubuntu is based on Debian right? Just wondering since
>
> Ubuntu has a lot of front end stuff grafted on.
>
>>
>>I personally find KDE far too cluttered but I suppose I can see it's
>>appeal to a windows user in being windows-like.
>>
> Gnome is just too **** cute. I won't even install it.
>

I guess you are an plain X guy? Slackware by any chance?

ss.

Kerry Brown wrote:
> Where are you copying files to/from? Some Vista file operations are
> quicker than XP, some are slower. Knowing exactly what you're doing will
> help diagnose the cause of the slowness.
>
> Are there any errors in the event logs related to the crashes? Open the
> Performance and Reliability Monitor. Click on Reliability Monitor. Click
> on the red X's to see the errors.
>
> As far as Ubuntu being more reliable than Vista I'd say they are about
> equal. Assuming no physical hardware problems both depend on the
> reliability of the drivers for your particular hardware. I run both on
> several different computers. I currently have no reliability issues with
> either. I have had reliability issues with both when buggy drivers were
> in use. I do still have some programs on both that are problematical.
> With both OS's I can lock them up solid just by running an incompatible
> program.
>


I would have to agree although my Vista machines seem to have developed
irritations since SP1 was installed.

I think Ubuntu is less solid than Debian, probably that is simply due to
having more things to go wrong and perhaps more to stretch the hardware.

Gotermeyer******.com wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:53:46 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
> <kerry@kdbNOSPAMsys-tems.c*a*m> wrote:
>
>> Where are you copying files to/from? Some Vista file operations are quicker
>> than XP, some are slower. Knowing exactly what you're doing will help
>> diagnose the cause of the slowness.
>
> I'm simply copying files from one hard drive to another, not over any
> network. It doesn't matter if from one internal drive to another or
> from some internal drive to an external drive or the other way around.
> The process is sometimes much slower than XP or going out of the shell
> and using something else to copy.
>
> I'm noticed others have similar problems. Is this a known issue?
>> Are there any errors in the event logs related to the crashes? Open the
>> Performance and Reliability Monitor. Click on Reliability Monitor. Click on
>> the red X's to see the errors.
>
> There are no errors of any kind nor any events recorded in any logs.
>> As far as Ubuntu being more reliable than Vista I'd say they are about
>> equal. Assuming no physical hardware problems both depend on the reliability
>> of the drivers for your particular hardware. I run both on several different
>> computers. I currently have no reliability issues with either. I have had
>> reliability issues with both when buggy drivers were in use. I do still have
>> some programs on both that are problematical. With both OS's I can lock them
>> up solid just by running an incompatible program.
>
> Thanks for a fair and objective answer not colored by any bias. The
> problem I see over and over has nothing to do with my applications but
> it seems to be Vista itself since it is Explorer that is slow in
> copying files and again it is Explorer that keeps saying it needs to
> shut down either when first bringing it up or if it is middle of doing
> something. Since no external third party drivers are involved in
> copying files this problem seems embedded in Windows itself. I have
> also seen in XP and I think 2000 as well but to a lessor degree.


Yes 100% agree, it seems to have been there all along since W2000.
Probably most people do not try to copy enough to notice it but for
example with XP I always found that if you tried to copy a folder with a
lot in it there would always be something that failed. Sometimes for
really strange reasons.

Hobbes <Hobbes@Calvins.lol> wrote in news:g42pvk$ddr$1@aioe.org:

> I still hate that the Title bars/Window borders disappear when I move
> the mouse over the Min/Max/Close buttons.
>
> Stinking compiz !

Here's a thread with discussion of this issue:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s...iz/+bug/152493