<paul> wrote:

> It's obviously a common problem among Vista users judging by the response
>my initial post received. Try posting something useful and suggesting
>alternatives like some of the other visitors to this thread.

Why don't you just download the full service pack, install it and STF
up?

>
>"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
>news:0tj9649r3l3btb1do9u2ts9sg23177j49v@4ax.com.. .
>> Nonny <nonnymoose******.com> wrote:
>>
>>><paul> wrote:
>>>
>>>>My question...."Service Pack 1 - how much longer?" show me the definitive
>>>>answer.
>>>
>>>There isn't one, you idiot. How many ways can one tell you that to
>>>get it into your thick skull!?
>>>
>>>I gave you MICROSOFT'S answer... it covered everything.
>>
>> Make that "He gave..."
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure you'll find a newsgroup for unhelpful wiseasses like yourself if
>>>>you look hard enough. Try looking at some of the other posts in this
>>>>thread
>>>>for an idea of what informative useful help looks like. This may help you
>>>>in
>>>>the future.
>>>>
>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:aib964pd6sbigel6nd61qhb1o18gcv88o6@4ax.co m...
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:14 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>i did read the kb article and it doesn't answer my questions
>>>>>
>>>>> Then you're obviously dense.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:egj7649p2eqtuqtqs05f4ab4m409c6a96i@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:45:08 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Forgive my ignorance, but if I'm getting critical updates anyway then
>>>>>>>>why
>>>>>>>>the delay with with Service Pack 1?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You apparently never read the KB article I referenced in direct reply
>>>>>>> to you yesterday. All the answers are there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do I really need it? What am I getting
>>>>>>>>in SP1 that I'm not getting in by way of critical updates
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:k2n4641o6sh9nkf315ankjm6fqjnrjc1et@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes and I've downloaded the latest drivers. Still no Service Pack
>>>>>>>>>>1.
>>>>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>many other users I have a legal copy of Vista that doesn't have the
>>>>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>possible level of security.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IF you have been keeping pace with all the critical updates, yes it
>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Believe that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>

paul wrote:
> I still don't have Vista service pack 1 on my PC. It's not being
> offered to me via Windows update. I think I'm write in saying it's
> because I have incompatible drivers or something. Isn't that the
> reason for the staggered roll out?? This rules out the manual
> download as I'm at risk from damaging my installation.
>
> I'm using a Dell laptop bought in the last 18 months so we're not
> talking about delays because of some obscure hardware or
> manufacturer. Is anyone from Microsoft reading this newsgroup? Can
> anyone tell me when the Vista users like me will get service pack 1.
>
> What am I missing out on? I know that SP1 is bound to include security
> updates so I'm guessing that my laptop is at some sort of risk until
> I get hold of this update.

Vista sp1 x86
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en


--
ZÿRiX
(¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯)

For me and many others SP1 is blocked from being automatically available on
my PC because of a compatibility issue. Apparently it's not advisable to
download the standalone version.

Haven't you been reading the KB articles?

"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
news:l1l9649cma0oct800fu9u512k11ude00ka@4ax.com...
> <paul> wrote:
>
>> It's obviously a common problem among Vista users judging by the response
>>my initial post received. Try posting something useful and suggesting
>>alternatives like some of the other visitors to this thread.
>
> Why don't you just download the full service pack, install it and STF
> up?
>
>>
>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
>>news:0tj9649r3l3btb1do9u2ts9sg23177j49v@4ax.com. ..
>>> Nonny <nonnymoose******.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>><paul> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>My question...."Service Pack 1 - how much longer?" show me the
>>>>>definitive
>>>>>answer.
>>>>
>>>>There isn't one, you idiot. How many ways can one tell you that to
>>>>get it into your thick skull!?
>>>>
>>>>I gave you MICROSOFT'S answer... it covered everything.
>>>
>>> Make that "He gave..."
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you'll find a newsgroup for unhelpful wiseasses like yourself
>>>>>if
>>>>>you look hard enough. Try looking at some of the other posts in this
>>>>>thread
>>>>>for an idea of what informative useful help looks like. This may help
>>>>>you
>>>>>in
>>>>>the future.
>>>>>
>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:aib964pd6sbigel6nd61qhb1o18gcv88o6@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:14 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i did read the kb article and it doesn't answer my questions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you're obviously dense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:egj7649p2eqtuqtqs05f4ab4m409c6a96i@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:45:08 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Forgive my ignorance, but if I'm getting critical updates anyway
>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>why
>>>>>>>>>the delay with with Service Pack 1?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You apparently never read the KB article I referenced in direct
>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>> to you yesterday. All the answers are there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do I really need it? What am I getting
>>>>>>>>>in SP1 that I'm not getting in by way of critical updates
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:k2n4641o6sh9nkf315ankjm6fqjnrjc1et@4 ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Yes and I've downloaded the latest drivers. Still no Service Pack
>>>>>>>>>>>1.
>>>>>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>many other users I have a legal copy of Vista that doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>>possible level of security.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> IF you have been keeping pace with all the critical updates, yes
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Believe that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>

<paul> wrote:

>For me and many others SP1 is blocked from being automatically available on
>my PC because of a compatibility issue. Apparently it's not advisable to
>download the standalone version.

On what grounds?

Since Windows Update won't offer it to you, and you refuse to download
the stand alone version, I guess you're between a rock and a hard
place.

Move on... there's nothing you can do about it.

Or do you get yer rocks off by whining about something you can't
control or refuse to control?


>
>Haven't you been reading the KB articles?
>
>"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
>news:l1l9649cma0oct800fu9u512k11ude00ka@4ax.com.. .
>> <paul> wrote:
>>
>>> It's obviously a common problem among Vista users judging by the response
>>>my initial post received. Try posting something useful and suggesting
>>>alternatives like some of the other visitors to this thread.
>>
>> Why don't you just download the full service pack, install it and STF
>> up?
>>
>>>
>>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0tj9649r3l3btb1do9u2ts9sg23177j49v@4ax.com ...
>>>> Nonny <nonnymoose******.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><paul> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My question...."Service Pack 1 - how much longer?" show me the
>>>>>>definitive
>>>>>>answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>There isn't one, you idiot. How many ways can one tell you that to
>>>>>get it into your thick skull!?
>>>>>
>>>>>I gave you MICROSOFT'S answer... it covered everything.
>>>>
>>>> Make that "He gave..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm sure you'll find a newsgroup for unhelpful wiseasses like yourself
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>you look hard enough. Try looking at some of the other posts in this
>>>>>>thread
>>>>>>for an idea of what informative useful help looks like. This may help
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:aib964pd6sbigel6nd61qhb1o18gcv88o6@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:14 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>i did read the kb article and it doesn't answer my questions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you're obviously dense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:egj7649p2eqtuqtqs05f4ab4m409c6a96i@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:45:08 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Forgive my ignorance, but if I'm getting critical updates anyway
>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>why
>>>>>>>>>>the delay with with Service Pack 1?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You apparently never read the KB article I referenced in direct
>>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>>> to you yesterday. All the answers are there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do I really need it? What am I getting
>>>>>>>>>>in SP1 that I'm not getting in by way of critical updates
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:k2n4641o6sh9nkf315ankjm6fqjnrjc1et@ 4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes and I've downloaded the latest drivers. Still no Service Pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>>many other users I have a legal copy of Vista that doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>>>possible level of security.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IF you have been keeping pace with all the critical updates, yes
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Believe that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

If you are referring to the accounting software issue, I agree. However, if
it is a driver reinstallation issue, the user can manually reinstall the
driver. He just needs the basic skill to do it.

<paul> wrote in message news:ORu8OZF2IHA.5728@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> For me and many others SP1 is blocked from being automatically available
> on my PC because of a compatibility issue. Apparently it's not advisable
> to download the standalone version.
>
> Haven't you been reading the KB articles?
>
> "Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
> news:l1l9649cma0oct800fu9u512k11ude00ka@4ax.com...
>> <paul> wrote:
>>
>>> It's obviously a common problem among Vista users judging by the
>>> response
>>>my initial post received. Try posting something useful and suggesting
>>>alternatives like some of the other visitors to this thread.
>>
>> Why don't you just download the full service pack, install it and STF
>> up?
>>
>>>
>>>"Nonny" <nonnymoose******.com> wrote in message
>>>news:0tj9649r3l3btb1do9u2ts9sg23177j49v@4ax.com ...
>>>> Nonny <nonnymoose******.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>><paul> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>My question...."Service Pack 1 - how much longer?" show me the
>>>>>>definitive
>>>>>>answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>There isn't one, you idiot. How many ways can one tell you that to
>>>>>get it into your thick skull!?
>>>>>
>>>>>I gave you MICROSOFT'S answer... it covered everything.
>>>>
>>>> Make that "He gave..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm sure you'll find a newsgroup for unhelpful wiseasses like yourself
>>>>>>if
>>>>>>you look hard enough. Try looking at some of the other posts in this
>>>>>>thread
>>>>>>for an idea of what informative useful help looks like. This may help
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:aib964pd6sbigel6nd61qhb1o18gcv88o6@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:14 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>i did read the kb article and it doesn't answer my questions
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you're obviously dense.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:egj7649p2eqtuqtqs05f4ab4m409c6a96i@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:45:08 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Forgive my ignorance, but if I'm getting critical updates anyway
>>>>>>>>>>then
>>>>>>>>>>why
>>>>>>>>>>the delay with with Service Pack 1?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You apparently never read the KB article I referenced in direct
>>>>>>>>> reply
>>>>>>>>> to you yesterday. All the answers are there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do I really need it? What am I getting
>>>>>>>>>>in SP1 that I'm not getting in by way of critical updates
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:k2n4641o6sh9nkf315ankjm6fqjnrjc1et@ 4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes and I've downloaded the latest drivers. Still no Service
>>>>>>>>>>>>Pack
>>>>>>>>>>>>1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>>>>many other users I have a legal copy of Vista that doesn't have
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>>>>>>possible level of security.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> IF you have been keeping pace with all the critical updates, yes
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Believe that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>

I received the SP1 download "invite" two days ago and double-checked that I
had everything (including all HP updates) current before installing it
yesterday, as suggested in the SP1 "before you install" pages. Everything
went beautifully; it didn't take as long as MS said it might (and my desktop
is on a wireless G network, so slower than hard-wired) and I've had not a
single problem since installing it.

Vista Home Premium, HP Pavilion a6230n purchased in March and kept up to
date consistently; 500 Gb Maxtor USB drive added; HP 4-in-1.

LesleyO

<paul> wrote in message news:ezlJhbE2IHA.1768@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> My question...."Service Pack 1 - how much longer?" show me the definitive
> answer.
>
> I'm sure you'll find a newsgroup for unhelpful wiseasses like yourself if
> you look hard enough. Try looking at some of the other posts in this
> thread for an idea of what informative useful help looks like. This may
> help you in the future.
>
> "PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
> news:aib964pd6sbigel6nd61qhb1o18gcv88o6@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:04:14 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>
>>>i did read the kb article and it doesn't answer my questions
>>
>> Then you're obviously dense.
>>
>>
>>>"PD43" <pauld1943******.com> wrote in message
>>>news:egj7649p2eqtuqtqs05f4ab4m409c6a96i@4ax.com ...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:45:08 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Forgive my ignorance, but if I'm getting critical updates anyway then
>>>>>why
>>>>>the delay with with Service Pack 1?
>>>>
>>>> You apparently never read the KB article I referenced in direct reply
>>>> to you yesterday. All the answers are there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do I really need it? What am I getting
>>>>>in SP1 that I'm not getting in by way of critical updates
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"PD43" <pauld1943@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:k2n4641o6sh9nkf315ankjm6fqjnrjc1et@4ax.c om...
>>>>>> <paul> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes and I've downloaded the latest drivers. Still no Service Pack 1.
>>>>>>>So
>>>>>>>like
>>>>>>>many other users I have a legal copy of Vista that doesn't have the
>>>>>>>best
>>>>>>>possible level of security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IF you have been keeping pace with all the critical updates, yes it
>>>>>> does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Believe that.
>>>>
>>
>

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:39:42 +0200, <paul> wrote:

I have two computers, one I built with all new parts in July of 07.
After getting it up and running, I went to each component's website to
make sure I had the latest firmware.

My second computer was a Dell that I purchased in Dec of 07. Both
computers ran Vista Premium. SP1 was distributed, and my Dell was the
first to pick it up in Windows Update. It downloaded and installed
without problems. My home built still has not been offered SP1, even
though I checked as many drivers I could, and all were/are updated.
Windows Update continued to d/l all the security updates, but SP1
never showed up.

I finally gave up, and d/l'd SP1 manually, and it installed with no
problems. Not even one message that a driver could cause problems,
nothing. I've been running it for over 2 weeks now, and no problems.

I'm not sure what was going on with this, and why people are having
problems, but even if a message was given as to WHY it wasn't offered,
like some system check alerting us to where the problem might be. The
most modern version of Windows, and we had to try and guess why we
weren't offered the latest update. For the price we had to pay for
this latest version, it's amazing that we are still in the dark about
our own systems updates.

>I still don't have Vista service pack 1 on my PC. It's not being offered to
>me via Windows update. I think I'm write in saying it's because I have
>incompatible drivers or something. Isn't that the reason for the staggered
>roll out?? This rules out the manual download as I'm at risk from damaging
>my installation.

The driver issue was not bad drivers or a problem with Vista or SP1. It was
that SP1 uninstalls all drivers before the update and then reinstalls them
afterwards. A few third party drivers were not written to permit automatic
reinstallation (a goof by the provider) by TrustedInstaller and SP1 could
not reinstall them. Not a problem for someone who knows how to reinstall a
driver manually if needed, but the vast majority of users would not know a
driver from a putter. So MS did what they could to prevent any users from
having to deal with that while they worked with the device driver providers
on updating the few drivers in question. These were all drivers that worked
just fine except for the reinstall glitch. MS put a scanner in place on WU
to identify problematic drivers on a user's system so that WU would not
offer SP1 in those cases. This apparently has not been completely cleaned
up yet.

"John" <john@john.net> wrote in message
news:pu5d64pb60lusl7ca13ic6prvvjer1hqdl@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:39:42 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>
> I have two computers, one I built with all new parts in July of 07.
> After getting it up and running, I went to each component's website to
> make sure I had the latest firmware.
>
> My second computer was a Dell that I purchased in Dec of 07. Both
> computers ran Vista Premium. SP1 was distributed, and my Dell was the
> first to pick it up in Windows Update. It downloaded and installed
> without problems. My home built still has not been offered SP1, even
> though I checked as many drivers I could, and all were/are updated.
> Windows Update continued to d/l all the security updates, but SP1
> never showed up.
>
> I finally gave up, and d/l'd SP1 manually, and it installed with no
> problems. Not even one message that a driver could cause problems,
> nothing. I've been running it for over 2 weeks now, and no problems.
>
> I'm not sure what was going on with this, and why people are having
> problems, but even if a message was given as to WHY it wasn't offered,
> like some system check alerting us to where the problem might be. The
> most modern version of Windows, and we had to try and guess why we
> weren't offered the latest update. For the price we had to pay for
> this latest version, it's amazing that we are still in the dark about
> our own systems updates.
>
>>I still don't have Vista service pack 1 on my PC. It's not being offered
>>to
>>me via Windows update. I think I'm write in saying it's because I have
>>incompatible drivers or something. Isn't that the reason for the staggered
>>roll out?? This rules out the manual download as I'm at risk from damaging
>>my installation.

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:51:43 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"
<c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:

>The driver issue was not bad drivers or a problem with Vista or SP1. It was
>that SP1 uninstalls all drivers before the update and then reinstalls them
>afterwards. A few third party drivers were not written to permit automatic
>reinstallation (a goof by the provider) by TrustedInstaller and SP1 could
>not reinstall them. Not a problem for someone who knows how to reinstall a
>driver manually if needed, but the vast majority of users would not know a
>driver from a putter. So MS did what they could to prevent any users from
>having to deal with that while they worked with the device driver providers
>on updating the few drivers in question. These were all drivers that worked
>just fine except for the reinstall glitch. MS put a scanner in place on WU
>to identify problematic drivers on a user's system so that WU would not
>offer SP1 in those cases. This apparently has not been completely cleaned
>up yet.
>
>"John" <john@john.net> wrote in message
>news:pu5d64pb60lusl7ca13ic6prvvjer1hqdl@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:39:42 +0200, <paul> wrote:
>>
>> I have two computers, one I built with all new parts in July of 07.
>> After getting it up and running, I went to each component's website to
>> make sure I had the latest firmware.
>>
>> My second computer was a Dell that I purchased in Dec of 07. Both
>> computers ran Vista Premium. SP1 was distributed, and my Dell was the
>> first to pick it up in Windows Update. It downloaded and installed
>> without problems. My home built still has not been offered SP1, even
>> though I checked as many drivers I could, and all were/are updated.
>> Windows Update continued to d/l all the security updates, but SP1
>> never showed up.
>>
>> I finally gave up, and d/l'd SP1 manually, and it installed with no
>> problems. Not even one message that a driver could cause problems,
>> nothing. I've been running it for over 2 weeks now, and no problems.
>>
>> I'm not sure what was going on with this, and why people are having
>> problems, but even if a message was given as to WHY it wasn't offered,
>> like some system check alerting us to where the problem might be. The
>> most modern version of Windows, and we had to try and guess why we
>> weren't offered the latest update. For the price we had to pay for
>> this latest version, it's amazing that we are still in the dark about
>> our own systems updates.
>>
>>>I still don't have Vista service pack 1 on my PC. It's not being offered
>>>to
>>>me via Windows update. I think I'm write in saying it's because I have
>>>incompatible drivers or something. Isn't that the reason for the staggered
>>>roll out?? This rules out the manual download as I'm at risk from damaging
>>>my installation.

Thanks for the explanation Colin. I wish, then, that MS would identify
for me which driver is causing the problem, and I could have contacted
the correct company and tracked down the propert driver, or pushed
them to fix the problem. As it is now, there's no explanation, no
reasons for not offering SP1, not even acknowledging that SP1 is even
out there. I have no idea where the problem could be.

Also, manually downloading, and installing SP1 went fine, without any
mention of a problem driver that could cause a problem. It just could
be a matter of MS not cleaning up their database as you stated, but
after all this time, you would think they'd be on top of that if it
were causing a problem for people. I'm not running any hardware, that
I'm aware of, that's out of the ordinary, all from major manufacturers
that all assured it was "Vista Compatible."

Well, Vista opening a new world of OS. After continually getting a bad
rap from rollout, you think they would have made it easier on folks
more than a year later. Oh well.

Thanks again.

Vista is not getting a worse rap than XP was getting a year and half in.
Folks just forget.

I agree that MS was not able to clean up all the loose ends, but working
with the independent providers must be like herding cats. :)

"John" <john@john.net> wrote in message
news:ss9f64124tgguuu375ef4mbreuh0e88m0s@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:51:43 -0600, "Colin Barnhorst"
> <c.barnhorst@comcast.net> wrote:
> Thanks for the explanation Colin. I wish, then, that MS would identify
> for me which driver is causing the problem, and I could have contacted
> the correct company and tracked down the propert driver, or pushed
> them to fix the problem. As it is now, there's no explanation, no
> reasons for not offering SP1, not even acknowledging that SP1 is even
> out there. I have no idea where the problem could be.
>
> Also, manually downloading, and installing SP1 went fine, without any
> mention of a problem driver that could cause a problem. It just could
> be a matter of MS not cleaning up their database as you stated, but
> after all this time, you would think they'd be on top of that if it
> were causing a problem for people. I'm not running any hardware, that
> I'm aware of, that's out of the ordinary, all from major manufacturers
> that all assured it was "Vista Compatible."
>
> Well, Vista opening a new world of OS. After continually getting a bad
> rap from rollout, you think they would have made it easier on folks
> more than a year later. Oh well.
>
> Thanks again.