On May 31, 4:49 pm, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:
> Billy Smith wrote:
>
> > Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will
> > recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people
> > go crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running
> > 95,98, XP, or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is
> > good time to get some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call.
> > Then with Insight 10.0 and wireless router and the built in wireless
> > card, we are ready to go.
>
> My eeepc (screaming 630 Megahertz Celeron) goes from cold start to
> Xubuntu in ca. 50 seconds. My full-on Ubuntu desktop takes 90 seconds,
> with a 1.5 gHz Via C7.



Dell, 2.2 Gig Pentium 4,
One gig memory
7200 RPM Disk
35 Meg bus:

0 - XP Desktop == 33 seconds

0 - Ubuntu Login screen 28 seconds.

Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is nothing to stop you from
using Windows XP for life. You can use it until you get fed up of it or until you feel
that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of the world! Or
you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.

You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance, you can always post
your queries here and some crackpot like you will post a solution for you even if it is 31
May 2018!!

hth


Clear Windows wrote:

> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ons-to-keep-xp
>
> If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying
> that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough
> people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to Windows
> Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was there was
> no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many online petitions,
> but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints" and the rest of us
> simply consider them silly.
>
> Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to
> Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole
> purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The
> calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will
> consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).
>
> If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the
> Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the
> operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're so
> nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a majority
> of Neowin's visitors:
>
> United States: (866) 234-6020
> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
> Canada: (800) 936-8479
>
> If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,
> choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and then
> go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.
>

Billy Smith wrote:
>
> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message
> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> Billy Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web
>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like
>>> what older models did. XP included.
>>
>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less
>> risk and hassle.
>
> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my
> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software
> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other
> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for
> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of
> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of
> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part
> of this decade.
>
> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it
> Crap versus Mac.

I defer to your obvious expertise.

Billy Smith wrote:

> Vista hasn't given me a bare minimum of trouble.
This is the second post with the same double negative used to describe
your lack of problems; Freudian slip?

David wrote:
> On May 31, 4:49 pm, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:
>> Billy Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Its never taken me ten minutes to boot any of my computers. What I will
>>> recommend is not to have a lot of stuff in your start menu Some people
>>> go crazy with that and thats a big problem whether you were running
>>> 95,98, XP, or Vista. It takes mine maybe 2 to 3 minutes max which is
>>> good time to get some coffee, use the can, or make a quick phone call.
>>> Then with Insight 10.0 and wireless router and the built in wireless
>>> card, we are ready to go.
>> My eeepc (screaming 630 Megahertz Celeron) goes from cold start to
>> Xubuntu in ca. 50 seconds. My full-on Ubuntu desktop takes 90 seconds,
>> with a 1.5 gHz Via C7.
>
>
>
> Dell, 2.2 Gig Pentium 4,
> One gig memory
> 7200 RPM Disk
> 35 Meg bus:
>
> 0 - XP Desktop == 33 seconds
>
> 0 - Ubuntu Login screen 28 seconds.
>

I use 12 Watts on my desktop tower.

Pete KE9OA wrote:
>
> Linux is still my favorite operating platform, but unfortunately, it is
> incompatible with the electrical engineering programs that I use. When it
> eventually grows up, I thing Linux will be the way to go.

Adolescence? Prepubescence?

http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/electronics/

On May 31, 2:16*pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...******.com>
wrote:
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_s...@unixhome.net> wrote in message
>
> news:m2j0k.309335$pM4.146740@pd7urf1no...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...******.com> wrote in message
> >news:zLmdnevejfyBJ9zVnZ2dnUVZ_r6rnZ2d@earthlink.c om...
>
> >> "Dave" <nos...@biteme.com> wrote in message
> >>news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink. com...
> >>> Billy Smith wrote:
>
> >>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web
> >>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like
> >>>> what older models did. XP included.
>
> >>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. *And with a lot less
> >>> risk and hassle.
>
> >> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my
> >> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software
> >> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other
> >> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for
> >> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of
> >> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of
> >> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part
> >> of this decade.
>
> >> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it
> >> Crap versus Mac.
>
> > Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you have
> > ever owned an Apple.
>
> > The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.
>
> I never owned an apple but I used to have a lot of experience running the
> Apple/Mac system. I wasn't impressed with anything that it could allegedly
> do. Personally it was like an overhyped Ipod phone or Touch. A lot of glitz
> but little real performance. Not user friendly, not even for the novice. I
> probably spent at least a year on that sort of a system and I was none too
> impressed. Thats why Mac will never catch up to Microsoft in anything. The
> only people I personally knew that used Macs were kids wanting to use it for
> graphics. For business operations, office work, etc, it was never worth
> anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the time of day for even audio
> listening or multimedia video and audio.
>
> If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't everyone
> in the world switch to Macs. Since there is a free market in computers anda
> great deal of industriousness and ingenuity in the computer industry, then
> Macs should be right up there. Not to mention the facts are that a Microsoft
> based system can be had for 300 to 1000 dolllars and a good one at that.
>
> What does a Crap cost? I was in the local Apple store recently here in
> Louisville KY. It was laughable that they wanted twice as much as any
> Microsoft PC and with less performance capabilities, less general respect.
> You'll see who buried who in the computer systems operating business
> environment. It sure wasn't Mac. Probably more people use Linux than Mac and
> thats sad.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

MAC/Apples has three problems to Real Growth and
becoming a the Premier World Wide Standard :
propioritory, Proprietary. PROPRIETARY ! -aka-
single-source, Single-Source. SINGLE SOURCE !

Microsoft 'only' tries to control the Software side or the
Hardware-&-Software Equation letting the Open Market
energize the Hardware side and overall creating a very
Dynamic Consumer and Business Market for their Product.

Microsoft does not Focus on Selling their Product to
Consumers they let an Infinite Number of Hardware
Product providers do that for them. While Apple is
basically a One Company Show in the Consumer
Market and tends to stagnate after a few months
to a year with each new product that is introduced.

The iPod is the Exception because the Apple Hardware
and Apple OS benefits from and Infinite Number of
Softwave Product providers with a near unlimited amount
of Songs and Music -plus- Apple has fround a way to
Monitize the Software side of the Market to make it a
Profit Center for this Business.

The iPhone is a Product whose Profitability is TBD.

it's a vision thing ~ RHF

ANONYMOUS wrote:
> Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is
> nothing to stop you from using Windows XP for life. You can use it
> until you get fed up of it or until you feel that it is time to
> update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of the world! Or
> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need
> computers <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.
>
> You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance,
> you can always post your queries here and some crackpot like you will
> post a solution for you even if it is 31 May 2018!!
>

Right. I think you can still ask questions about Wordstar or VisiCalc.

And even get answers.

>You can use it until you get fed up of it or until you feel
> that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of
> the world! Or
> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers


1. I don't consider Vista is crap; it's just not worth the efforts as I
stated many times.

2. I don't consider its performance is so bad nor performance in terms of a
few seconds of difference is very critical for an average user.

3. I never challenged anyone who likes Vista and I am sure many will.

In particular, Vista presents no problem when people don't look into
productivity- and ROI-related questions and don't ask why do we need
computers in the first place?

But with all due respect, these questions tend to be asked by people with
more knowledge on both business and IT field and they are nothing like what
you've mentioned. On the contrary, those people you have mentioned usually
don't posses critical thinking capabilities and they don't ask why.

"ANONYMOUS" <ANONYMOUS@EXAMPLE.COM> wrote in message
news:4841C762.2BDFA2AD@EXAMPLE.COM...
>
> Whether or not Microsoft stops supporting Windows XP, there is nothing to
> stop you from
> using Windows XP for life. You can use it until you get fed up of it or
> until you feel
> that it is time to update your own IT skills and keep up with the rest of
> the world! Or
> you could go and live in Amazon Forest where they don't need computers
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7427417.stm>.
>
> You don't need MS agreement for this and if you need any assistance, you
> can always post
> your queries here and some crackpot like you will post a solution for you
> even if it is 31
> May 2018!!
>
> hth
>
>
> Clear Windows wrote:
>
>> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ons-to-keep-xp
>>
>> If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on record saying
>> that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP if enough
>> people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to
>> Windows
>> Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The problem was there
>> was
>> no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the many online
>> petitions,
>> but Microsoft considers those "non-official complaints" and the rest of
>> us
>> simply consider them silly.
>>
>> Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to
>> Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the
>> sole
>> purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The
>> calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will
>> consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).
>>
>> If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call
>> the
>> Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the
>> operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're
>> so
>> nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a
>> majority
>> of Neowin's visitors:
>>
>> United States: (866) 234-6020
>> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
>> Canada: (800) 936-8479
>>
>> If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site,
>> choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and
>> then
>> go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.
>>
>

Billy Smith wrote:
>
> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message
> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>> Billy Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web
>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like
>>> what older models did. XP included.
>>
>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less
>> risk and hassle.
>
> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my
> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software
> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other
> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for
> toilet paper.

http://content.techrepublic.com.com/...1-5597-12.html
Some people like the Mac for toilet paper.

> Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of
> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of
> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part
> of this decade.
>
> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it
> Crap versus Mac.


--
"Fair use is not merely a nice concept--it is a federal law based on
free speech rights under the First Amendment and is a cornerstone of the
creativity and innovation that is a hallmark of this country. Consumer
rights in the digital age are not frivolous."
- Maura Corbett

Billy Smith wrote:
>
How do you explain this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

"Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message
news:4841F669.4020705@biteme.com...
> Billy Smith wrote:
>>
> How do you explain this?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png

What it says to me is that your corporate and university level people
working with supercomputers are going to Linux versus Unix or in the case
of Microsoft they aren't going to use it. Thats doesn't mean that Microsoft
makes a bad product for the general consumer market. Linux does have its use
and one of its uses is that it tends to be rather fast for an operating
system. However, if you consider speed anything you should use Linux. Yet
when you use a wide variety of PC appplications, you will find that they
aren't usable in Linux format. You can partition your drive to use both
Microsoft based stuff and Linux or you can stick with what you know.
For most people, they are not going to use Linux because A: There is no need
for using it and B: They don't have the capability to babysit Linux based
systems. The average computer science grad or expert in the computer field
very well might get some usage out of it. For most people, they are content
in using Microsoft Office or whatever works for plug and play applications.

Theyr'e not going to waste their time formatting their hard drive to run a
program and system that while being faster doesn't have the applicable uses
that a Microsoft system has. The Microsoft systems have that advantage
because you can put in any XP or Vista or 98 based software of which I have
at least one in each operating system. You can put in any program that is
made for that system and use it. That cannot be said for converting your
system to Linux no matter how much faster it may be. Its not really worth
the time for most people

If you want to put Linux and make it customizable to your system that works
for those applications then go for it.. For the general computer user that
exists in the general public, then most people go for Microsoft. They're not
going to use Linux and I would venture than Microsoft is much more
recognizable than what Linux has been or probably will ever be.

Linux is still at the infancy state of the computer realm. Its not going to
catch on all that much for the hundreds of millions of computer users.

Thats why Mac will never be a viable competitor to Microsoft. They're still
stuck in the proprietary and infant stage. Just like the Iphone. I would
have actually been interested in getting an Iphone but when I have to use
ATT for service, they can forget it. I used to have Cingular and it was a
joke for phone service but also their customer service section was
incompetent at best. I can actually pay my bill through Verizon and know
what I actually owe. Nice concept isnt it.

Macs will never become more than fancy overpriced boxes for graphics users,
game players, etc. You never see that many Macs ever used for servers,
internet commerce, etc. Thats why you can go to the Apple store here in
Louisville and find out that a Mac will cost you 1500 to 2000 dollars when a
basic Vista/XP computer will net you half those amounts. When Apple learns
to market their computers and systems correctly and produce something worth
really having, then they will take off. Until then, they don't have a prayer
competition wise.

On May 31, 9:07 pm, Dave <nos...@biteme.com> wrote:
> Billy Smith wrote:
>
> How do you explain this?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Top500_OS.png


- and how will Microsoft ad Intel respond to This :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA

or this:

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37677/113/


Nvidia is on the Horizon for Supercomputing, guys..

In article <P6ednWvt7dqlXdzVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@earthlink.com> ,
Billy Smith <chungkingchungking******.com> wrote:
>
>anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the time of day for even audio
>listening or multimedia video and audio.
>

Lol. Ever hear of Pixar Studios? Guess what they do. And with
what.

>If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't everyone
>in the world switch to Macs.

Remember Betmax? The race is not always to the swift.

Followups to junk.

"Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking******.com> wrote in message
news:P6ednWvt7dqlXdzVnZ2dnUVZ_rHinZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>
> "Canuck57" <dave-no_spam@unixhome.net> wrote in message
> news:m2j0k.309335$pM4.146740@pd7urf1no...
>>
>> "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking******.com> wrote in message
>> news:zLmdnevejfyBJ9zVnZ2dnUVZ_r6rnZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>>
>>> "Dave" <nospam@biteme.com> wrote in message
>>> news:H7WdndbTffhKJdzVnZ2dnUVZ_tninZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>>>> Billy Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> B> I run this Vista computer for mostly multimedia purposes and web
>>>>> browsing. I haven't rarely had a coughing fit out of it. Nothing like
>>>>> what older models did. XP included.
>>>>
>>>> You can do that stuff way faster on a Linux box. And with a lot less
>>>> risk and hassle.
>>>
>>> Linux is generally crap. I know because I installed it on a couple of my
>>> machines. It caused more problems using that crap and utilizing software
>>> than anything I have ever seen. Pure garbage. Just about like that other
>>> computer operating system called the Mac. I wouldn't have a Mac for
>>> toilet paper. Every Mac I saw ran like crap and you couldn't do 1/3 of
>>> what you can do on a Windows based Machine. That comes from a lot of
>>> personal experience with Mac based stuff back in the 90s and early part
>>> of this decade.
>>>
>>> It might be great now but back in those days they should have called it
>>> Crap versus Mac.
>>
>> Linux and Apple have their place, and with your comments I doubt you have
>> ever owned an Apple.
>>
>> The HUGE benefit of Linux over say Vista is Linux is not DRM invasive.
>
> I never owned an apple but I used to have a lot of experience running the
> Apple/Mac system. I wasn't impressed with anything that it could allegedly
> do. Personally it was like an overhyped Ipod phone or Touch. A lot of
> glitz but little real performance. Not user friendly, not even for the
> novice. I probably spent at least a year on that sort of a system and I
> was none too impressed. Thats why Mac will never catch up to Microsoft in
> anything. The only people I personally knew that used Macs were kids
> wanting to use it for graphics. For business operations, office work, etc,
> it was never worth anything. I wouldn't even give a Mac system the time of
> day for even audio listening or multimedia video and audio.
>
> If Macs were so proficient and useful, then why in the hell doesn't
> everyone in the world switch to Macs. Since there is a free market in
> computers and a great deal of industriousness and ingenuity in the
> computer industry, then Macs should be right up there. Not to mention the
> facts are that a Microsoft based system can be had for 300 to 1000
> dolllars and a good one at that.
>
> What does a Crap cost? I was in the local Apple store recently here in
> Louisville KY. It was laughable that they wanted twice as much as any
> Microsoft PC and with less performance capabilities, less general respect.
> You'll see who buried who in the computer systems operating business
> environment. It sure wasn't Mac. Probably more people use Linux than Mac
> and thats sad.

Apples market share is growing. Which stock would you rather own?

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=A...urce=undefined

Wall Street sees the numbers.