On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:

> David wrote:
>
>>
>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>> of PC users
>>
> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
> most routine tasks.

Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
--
Rene Brehmer
IT Technician

North Hill Inn
http://www.northhillinn.com

"Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>>> of PC users
>>>
>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>> most routine tasks.
>
> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>
> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
> --
> Rene Brehmer
> IT Technician
>
> North Hill Inn
> http://www.northhillinn.com

That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing
music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application
you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are
doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not
knowing how to properly operate the computer.

Rene Brehmer wrote:

>
>
>
Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap...

Sorry, but that is simply not true.

to come out of Richmond yet.

Richmond? You must mean Redmond right?


I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.

So you're saying you can't get your install of Vista to run properly?
Which version of Vista do you have, and exactly what problem do you have?
Frank

Billy Smith wrote:
>That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them
> playing music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every
> application you can use. No problems here just as long as you really
> know what you are doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem
> but the user not knowing how to properly operate the computer.

Back when I built my first computer, DOS, Windows 3.1. 386-16 16 MB Ram.
It would do a lot of neat things "Just as long as you really knew what
you were doing". Like writing batch files to load and unload conflicting
TSR's from memory etc. Here we are 22 years later, and you still have to
be some kind of "wizard" to keep Windows working.
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

> Here we are 22 years later, and you still have to be some kind of "wizard"
> to keep Windows working.

My thought, exactly. How pathetic.



"RFI-EMI-GUY" <Rhyolite@NETTALLY.COM> wrote in message
news:k%%%j.151$UF5.143@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> Billy Smith wrote:
>>That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them
>>playing music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every
>>application you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know
>>what you are doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the
>>user not knowing how to properly operate the computer.
>
> Back when I built my first computer, DOS, Windows 3.1. 386-16 16 MB Ram.
> It would do a lot of neat things "Just as long as you really knew what you
> were doing". Like writing batch files to load and unload conflicting TSR's
> from memory etc. Here we are 22 years later, and you still have to be some
> kind of "wizard" to keep Windows working.
> --
> Joe Leikhim K4SAT
> "The RFI-EMI-GUY"©
>
> "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
> For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
>
> "Follow The Money" ;-P

On May 30, 6:56 pm, Rene Brehmer <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
> > David wrote:
>
> >> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
> >> of PC users
>
> > Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
> > most routine tasks.
>
> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>
> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
> --
> Rene Brehmer
> IT Technician
>
> North Hill Innhttp://www.northhillinn.com

Agree..

Vista Loses almost every performance benchmark,

re Vista:

- Story I heard was

thet the guy at Microsoft in charge of Vista

Said it was ready to ship.

AND THEN he immediately went to Yahoo, with a

Thirty Million Dollar Signing Bonus..

-Windows XP does the job here

and Ubuntu GG is on the other partition

IF Microsoft had a new OS that was worthy of purchase
'd get one

Until then Its XP & Linux

On May 30, 4:23*pm, RFI-EMI-GUY <Rhyol...@NETTALLY.COM> wrote:
> Billy Smith wrote:
> >That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them
> > playing music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every
> > application you can use. No problems here just as long as you really
> > know what you are doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem
> > but the user not knowing how to properly operate the computer.
>
- Back when I built my first computer, DOS, Windows 3.1. 386-16 16 MB
Ram.
- It would do a lot of neat things "Just as long as you really knew
what
- you were doing". Like writing batch files to load and unload
conflicting
- TSR's from memory etc. Here we are 22 years later, and you still
have to
- be some kind of "wizard" to keep Windows working.
- --
- Joe Leikhim K4SAT
- "The RFI-EMI-GUY"©
-
- "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
- For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
-
- "Follow The Money" *;-P

RFI-EMI-GUY - Dang - Batch Files (.bat) now that is
something i ain't heard of in a mighty long while.

config.sys me 'til i'm dos'ed ~ RHF

Billy Smith wrote:
> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>>
>>> David wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>>>> of PC users
>>>>
>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>>> most routine tasks.
>>
>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>>
>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
>> --
>> Rene Brehmer
>> IT Technician
>>
>> North Hill Inn
>> http://www.northhillinn.com
>
> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing
> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application
> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are
> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not
> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor
with 100 terabytes of memory.

--
"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes
- and I see many of them in the audience here today - our sense of patriotism
is particularly strong." -- Barack Obama's seance

"clifto" <clifto******.com> wrote in message
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> Billy Smith wrote:
>> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
>> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> David wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>>>>> of PC users
>>>>>
>>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>>>> most routine tasks.
>>>
>>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
>>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling
>>> a
>>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>>>
>>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
>>> --
>>> Rene Brehmer
>>> IT Technician
>>>
>>> North Hill Inn
>>> http://www.northhillinn.com
>>
>> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them
>> playing
>> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every
>> application
>> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you
>> are
>> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not
>> knowing how to properly operate the computer.
>
> Or the owner not being able to afford a 900 terahertz 16-core processor
> with 100 terabytes of memory.
>

What makes this interesting to me is that I paid 200 dollars for the desktop
computer brand new out of the box at Circuit City. Computer was originally
409 dollars and discounted to 200. Worked great right out of the box. I
didn't have a bit of problem with that computer and its about a year old.
Next pieces I bought were two laptops one from last August and the other
this February. HP for both of them and spent 1500 for both of them in total.
Both with 1 GB of ram apiece. 160 GB drive on one and 250 GB on the other.
AMD processor on both 2.0 Ghz plus speed. So basically 700 bucks for one
laptop and 800 for another. I've been seeing desktops for maybe 500-700
which is pretty reasonable.

vista is crap

<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:67bbdfae-408b-4a23-820b-6fe4cc8c23de@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 30, 6:56 pm, Rene Brehmer <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>> > David wrote:
>>
>> >> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>> >> of PC users
>>
>> > Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>> > most routine tasks.
>>
>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>>
>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
>> --
>> Rene Brehmer
>> IT Technician
>>
>> North Hill Innhttp://www.northhillinn.com
>
> Agree..
>
> Vista Loses almost every performance benchmark,
>
> re Vista:
>
> - Story I heard was
>
> thet the guy at Microsoft in charge of Vista
>
> Said it was ready to ship.
>
> AND THEN he immediately went to Yahoo, with a
>
> Thirty Million Dollar Signing Bonus..
>
> -Windows XP does the job here
>
> and Ubuntu GG is on the other partition
>
> IF Microsoft had a new OS that was worthy of purchase
> 'd get one
>
> Until then Its XP & Linux
>

"Billy Smith" <chungkingchungking******.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Rene Brehmer" <rene@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>>
>>> David wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>>>> of PC users
>>>>
>>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>>> most routine tasks.
>>
>> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
>> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
>> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>>
>> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
>> --
>> Rene Brehmer
>> IT Technician
>>
>> North Hill Inn
>> http://www.northhillinn.com
>
> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them
> playing music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every
> application you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know
> what you are doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the
> user not knowing how to properly operate the computer.
I can operate it just fine. I fix computers every day with every imaginable
OS, so I have to know them all inside out.
I just plain do not like Vista. From my perspective, it is the first time in
my 40 years of compuer experience that a major software vendor released a
new OS that I thought was a step backwards instead of forwards. They call it
new and improved, I call it XP run through a blender and poured in the
pigpen to 'cure'.
Everyone has their opinion, that is mine.

In article <eSATRuvwIHA.1980@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, cargod01@bresnan.net
says...
> I just plain do not like Vista. From my perspective, it is the first time in
> my 40 years of compuer experience that a major software vendor released a
> new OS that I thought was a step backwards instead of forwards.
>

Many people felt this way about XP also, time changed them.

What you might want to consider is the reason for Vista, at least my
take on the reason for it.

In the Windows ME days, ME required more hardware, more everything, and
it was a problem OS, worse than Vista by far, but, it had one impact -
it caused people to BUY MORE HARDWARE, faster hardware, better video
cards, etc...

Vista is the same tool in my view, it really needs about 2 times the CPU
as XP does, at least 4 times the memory, and it really needs a 512MB
Video card to be very happy.

So, people will buy vista upgrades, then my new computers or faster
parts, and they will have it running smoothly - then the next OS will
come out that will offer the real benefits and features, like XP did.


--
- Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.
- Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented worker" is like calling a
drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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On May 30, 7:08 pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...******.com>
wrote:
> "Rene Brehmer" <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
>
>
>
> > On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>
> >> David wrote:
>
> >>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
> >>> of PC users
>
> >> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
> >> most routine tasks.
>
> > Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
> > Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> > clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>
> > I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
> > --
> > Rene Brehmer
> > IT Technician
>
> > North Hill Inn
> >http://www.northhillinn.com
>
> That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing
> music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application
> you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are
> doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not
> knowing how to properly operate the computer.

Probably get the same performance with Windows XP but with Hundreds
of dollars less hardware

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search


- Or with something FREEEE ! Like Ubuntu

they say in the future, you'll just need a computer and a browser,

meanwhile, theres a petition you can sign,

http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/


It'd be nice to have a reliable, standardized OS available for sale
June 30, 2008

On May 31, 3:52*am, barnegatdx <barnega...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 30, 7:08 pm, "Billy Smith" <chungkingchungk...******.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Rene Brehmer" <r...@metalbunny.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:1v0tie1m9l70g$.qlzqjiap3bc0$.dlg@40tude.net. ..
>
> > > On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>
> > >> David wrote:
>
> > >>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
> > >>> of PC users
>
> > >> Huh!? *XP is klunky and wastes resources. *Puppy Linux works better for
> > >> most routine tasks.
>
> > > Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
> > > Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> > > clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>
> > > I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
> > > --
> > > Rene Brehmer
> > > IT Technician
>
> > > North Hill Inn
> > >http://www.northhillinn.com
>
> > That's funny. I have three computers running on Vista utilizing them playing
> > music, movies, word processing, document saving, and about every application
> > you can use. No problems here just as long as you really know what you are
> > doing. Maybe its not the software causing the problem but the user not
> > knowing how to properly operate the computer.
>
> Probably get the same performance with Windows XP *but with *Hundreds
> of dollars less hardware
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...=Google+Search
>
> - Or with something FREEEE ! Like Ubuntu
>
> they say in the future, you'll just need a computer and a browser,
>
> meanwhile, theres a petition you can sign,
>
> http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/
>
> It'd be nice to have a reliable, standardized OS available for sale
> June 30, 2008- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Wal*Mart is still selling some Dell Computers
with XP installed as the OS.

Rene Brehmer wrote:
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 06:25:56 -0700, dave wrote:
>
>> David wrote:
>>
>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast majority
>>> of PC users
>>>
>> Huh!? XP is klunky and wastes resources. Puppy Linux works better for
>> most routine tasks.
>
> Yes, but Vista takes the cake as the worst piece of crap to come out of
> Richmond yet. I'm surprised noone's taken them to court yet for selling a
> clearly unfinished product as anything but a beta.
>
> I work with Windows all day. That's why we have a Mac at home.
Redmond?