Unknown wrote:
> Now YOU have a narrow mind. Do you constantly add new programs to an
> appliance?
> Do you infect them with the likes of Norton, Symantec or registry cleaners?
> Wake up and compare apples to apples.
>


Do some homework. Lots of appliances have imbedded processing and most
of it runs Linux. Playstation 3? Echostar DVRs? Most smart phones?

RHF wrote:

>
> -ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
> changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
> PC Users Dilemma.
>
This is stupid. There is no reason to overhaul your PC every 30 months.
Think of the toxic waste. My computer uses 12 Watts.

Unknown wrote:
> In your mind a big steel box is the same as electronics with components
> microns apart trying to be
> all things to all people with hundreds of misfits attempting to create the
> meanest virus.
"Virus" is a convenient excuse for a computer that takes a dump for no
apparent reason.

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:53:09 -0400, "Billy Smith"
<chungkingchungking******.com> wrote:

>Considering that I have 1 XP laptop, 3 XP desktops, 2 Vista Laptops, and 1 Vista Desktop says
>to me that I spend quite a bit of time in the computer realm.

Really? That's like some little old lady spending her morning
squeezing tomatoes at her grocery store and then claiming she's
qualified to run Campbell Soup company. The resident idiot Frank
claims to have 9 computers and everybody knows he's a clueless moron
that likes to scream and yell.

Hint: How many computers you have has absolutely no relevance to your
knowledge of computers.

>In fact, probably several hours of the day outside of work. Perhaps you're less than
>capable using Vista or learning how not to crash a computer system would be
>educational for you.

Silly boy. You keep assuming Vista is crashing on me and I'm stumped
what to do about it as opposed to me reporting on Vista crashes and
offering solutions or just commenting on how dumb Microsoft is for
allowing X, Y or Z to happen. Apples and oranges.
>
>I don't sit around and install new updates every time. One because I use all
>my computers more than that. I have computers for different purposes. One
>primarily for amateur radio software and music not to mention media mixing.
>Another is for website development and business. 2 are for personal pleasure
>one desktop and the other laptop.

Sorry, not impressed. How many computers you play with in your mom's
basement is of little consequence and you haven't mentioned a single
thing you do with any of them that's relevant to your supposed
knowledge or experience.

>The other couple get a lot of web usage.
>One pretty much has thousands of songs on it. You might learn something from
>some of the posters here. No small task to keep all those computers running
>in top shape. Something else that eludes you.

Oh please... we're suppose to be impressed because you have a computer
with thousands of songs on it? Did you compose some of these songs?
Remix them, change the pitch, tempo, do anything other that download
them and then play them back? I doubt it.

As far as learning from some of the posters here... I do. Sorry you're
not one of them unless your lesson was self-importance, bragging and
how to whine. We already have a surplus of those kind of posters, your
services aren't required.

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
> Hint: How many computers you have has absolutely no relevance to your
> knowledge of computers.
>

Awfully true.

--
Mats Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/matsp888/

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
> Hint: How many computers you have has absolutely no relevance to your
> knowledge of computers.
>

Awfully true.

--
Mats Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/matsp888/

Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
> Hint: How many computers you have has absolutely no relevance to your
> knowledge of computers.
>

Awfully true.

--
Mats Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/matsp888/

On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:41:22 -0500, Dzomlija <guest@unknown-email.com>
wrote:

>
>cheley_bonstell88;734728 Wrote:
>> Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000
>>
>> 'Save Windows XP | InfoWorld' (http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/)
>
>
>Have you never heard the phrase "The needs of the many outweigh the
>needs or the few"?
>
>The needs of 200,000 people who want to keep XP can hardly be compared
>to those of 120,000,000 who want to embrace the future and continue
>using Vista...

The 200,000 are people that have already signed the Infoworld petition
to "save" XP and in no way reflects how many people currently use and
perhaps PREFER XP over Vista.

Hint: Microsoft's own figures show 84% of their install base have NOT
upgraded to Vista. So it would seem better than 8 of 10 people already
using Windows don't agree with you.

If Vista is the future, we're screwed bad. Even Microsoft Ballmer and
Gates admit Vista "needs work". Yea, I've noticed.

On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 21:31:07 -0700, Frank <fb@tpi.olm> wrote:

>Billy Smith wrote:
>
>>
>> "Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
>> news:uo9944l8kr3bot2laurjfcfgr7guqivusp@4ax.com...
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:48:53 -0700, Frank <fb@heh.lol> wrote:
>>>
>>>> cheley_bonstell88@live.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 11:42 am, RHF <rhf-newsgro...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> D'Oh ! - The Future of Windows XP -according-to- Microsoft
>>>>>> Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...xp/future.mspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows XP will be Gone in June 2008 ? - NOT !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS Says - Windows XP Sales will Stop on 30 June 2008.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note - Some Existing 'new' Old-Stock of Windows XP presently
>>>>>> in Retailers Inventory may be available until 2009 or longer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MS Says - Technical Support [Service Pack Downloads] for
>>>>>> Window XP will be provided by Microsoft Corp until 2014.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK - What is the Problem ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah -if- You buy a New Computer you will likely get stuck
>>>>>> with have Micorsoft's VISTA pre-installed -but- your Old PC
>>>>>> that is running Windows XP will have support for Five (5)
>>>>>> more years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hopefully within those Five (5) Years Microsoft will have
>>>>>> something better than VISTA as their latest super-dupper
>>>>>> OS : Plus you will have a lot of new Hardware to Want-to-Buy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -ps- Five (5) Years is almost Two (2) Life Cycles in the ever
>>>>>> changing Softwave-and-Hardware Turn-Over-and-Upgrade
>>>>>> PC Users Dilemma.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and . . . that's the way i see it ~ RHF
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 30, 5:07 am, David <mcdonald6...******.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 30, 6:20 am, "xfile" <cou...@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My two cents,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't see the needs for customers to sign any petitions. It's
>>>>>>>> the product
>>>>>>>> provider's job to find out if their product is well accepted by
>>>>>>>> the market
>>>>>>>> or not. And it's their product so they have every right for
>>>>>>>> making the
>>>>>>>> decision. If they think Vista is so good, just terminate XP and
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> Windows 7 even more like Vista. Of course, it's also them who
>>>>>>>> have to take
>>>>>>>> the consequences of that decision. Life finds a way, so no need
>>>>>>>> to beg
>>>>>>>> anyone for keeping a product or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Clear Windows" <carlfered...@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> news:483f9df8@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/0...ng-official-pe...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you can remember back a few weeks, Steve Ballmer went on
>>>>>>>>> record saying
>>>>>>>>> that Microsoft would consider extending the life of Windows XP
>>>>>>>>> if enough
>>>>>>>>> people asked for it. Afterall, many people don't want to upgrade to
>>>>>>>>> Windows Vista because they are perfectly content with XP. The
>>>>>>>>> problem was
>>>>>>>>> there was no way to ask for it. Sure, you could sign one of the
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> online petitions, but Microsoft considers those "non-official
>>>>>>>>> complaints"
>>>>>>>>> and the rest of us simply consider them silly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and
>>>>>>>>> then on to
>>>>>>>>> Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in
>>>>>>>>> for the sole
>>>>>>>>> purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows
>>>>>>>>> XP. The
>>>>>>>>> calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed,
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft will
>>>>>>>>> consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can
>>>>>>>>> simply call the
>>>>>>>>> Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> operator know that you wish to file an official complaint.
>>>>>>>>> Because we're
>>>>>>>>> so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers
>>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>>> majority of Neowin's visitors:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> United States: (866) 234-6020
>>>>>>>>> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
>>>>>>>>> Canada: (800) 936-8479
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft
>>>>>>>>> Support Site,
>>>>>>>>> choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your
>>>>>>>>> product and
>>>>>>>>> then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disagree with their methodology but will make the call.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows XP is fast, RELIABLE, and meets the needs of the vast
>>>>>>> majority
>>>>>>> of PC users
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> United States: (866) 234-6020
>>>>>>> United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
>>>>>>> Canada: (800) 936-8479
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Save Windows XP- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - But the problem is that whatever Microsoft comes up with to replace
>>>>> Vista will be the same resource Hog Vista is now;
>>>>> - with no substantial gain.
>>>>>
>>>> And you know this because...?
>>>>
>>>>> - Imagine how nice it would be to have a REALLY fast, reliable PC that
>>>>> ran on Some Future Iteration of hardware
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got multiple installs of that OS right now...it's called Vista!
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - but had Reliable, Familiar Windows XP as its OS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? Once you become familiar with Vista, then XP seems old, slow and
>>>> clunky...just W2K did after we became familiar with XP.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - tapping into whatever faster Internet / server farm is standard
>>>>> down teh road.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ????????????????????????
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah right. You don't think for one second that 200,000 individuals
>>>> responded do you?
>>>> If so, lets talk about some very fine bridges I happens to know of that
>>>> are for sale...LOL!
>>>> Also blogs are now becoming click-and-I-get-cash cows. Any resemblance
>>>> to a real e-rag news outlet is delusional at best.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>> Frank knows all about delusional. It's his life.
>>>
>>
>> Sure you do, Madeline
>
>Most people fine it rather strange that the real malcontents in this ng
>are the ones who can't get their installs of vista to run properly.

Well Frank you can't deny you're the malcontent and anyone wishing to
invest some time at Google will dig out one of your posts where YOU
admitted you needed to call Microsoft support to help YOU get Vista up
and running.

Sorry Bubba, the truth sometimes hurts.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:53:44 -0700, Dave <nospam@biteme.com> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>
>> Even dumber is the director of CNBC's popular "Fast Money" show that
>> features motor mouth anchor Dyland Ratigan and four "experts" giving
>> stock tips each trying to out talk each other. While I find the banter
>> often interesting, the director constantly makes fast cuts to show one
>> of the experts not talking while you still hear the one that is. This
>> probably was a accident originally, but now it seems to be a "feature"
>> of the show with whoever the director switches to as soon as they're
>> aware the camera is on them they ham it up, like smirk or roll their
>> eyes or do something else silly while the other guy is still heard
>> talking. I don't get it.
>>
>CNBC is a window into Hell. Those people sold their souls for money.


I wonder if the Devil uses Vista.

On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:59:39 -0700, Dave <nospam@biteme.com> wrote:

>Unknown wrote:
>> With approximately 180 million computers running Windows XP and you have a
>> problem, does that tell you anything?
>At any given time, at least 180,000,000 people are in a living Hell?

Maybe you found the cause of global warming. <giggle>

>On June 30, Microsoft is scheduled to pull the OEM distribution plug
>on Windows XP. In 30 days. That's all before the older operating
>system largely disappears from new PCs. The "largely" qualifier is
>because downgrade rights will still be available to some customers,
>and system builders can ship PCs with XP through January 2009.

Was thinking about buying a copy of XP, but decided not to. One license per
PC is good enough, and while Vista is unsuitable for my needs, the thought
of being double dipped just ticks me off.

Very few "home" customers have the legal ability to downgrade without at
least a purchase of XP OEM of one version or another.

<cheley_bonstell88@live.com> wrote in message
news:24806851-3d87-4bb4-809b-a5358dfcdaee@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

>- But the problem is that whatever Microsoft comes up with to replace
>Vista will be the same resource Hog Vista is now;
>- with no substantial gain.

We know this to be true as it has already been stated Win 7 is based on
Vista. So in fact, todays Vista users are Microsoft beta testers.

>- Imagine how nice it would be to have a REALLY fast, reliable PC that
>ran on Some Future Iteration of hardware

Ubuntu, Fedora and XP.

XP you say? I think slowly Microsoft is getting the message. They dusted
off mothball plans for XP becasue Vista was too fat and slow for Eee PC.
And Eee PC with Linux was and still is selling pretty good. So the choice
was to revivce XP for the Eee PC or not participate. XP will be around for
a long time to come.

>- but had Reliable, Familiar Windows XP as its OS

If you know XP, moving to Ubuntu or Fedora is not as bad as it sounds. In
fact, the menus are much better organized.

>- tapping into whatever faster Internet / server farm is standard
>down teh road.

There is no doubt a Linux based system will do the internet. Virtually
every common internet protocol out there existed on UNIX/Linux before
M-Windows. And even many that most that are not in the internet.

"Dzomlija" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:cef8405a676385ca120ccfa7e441a8ac@nntp-gateway.com...
>
> cheley_bonstell88;734728 Wrote:
>> Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000
>>
>> 'Save Windows XP | InfoWorld' (http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/)
>
>
> Have you never heard the phrase "The needs of the many outweigh the
> needs or the few"?
>
> The needs of 200,000 people who want to keep XP can hardly be compared
> to those of 120,000,000 who want to embrace the future and continue
> using Vista...

Let me rephrase that for you.

The 200,000 people felt strong enough to overtly express they want to keep
XP. Businesses are rejecting Vista whole scale and outright. To those of
140,000,000 who were force fed Vista OEM (bundling) it is uncertain 1) how
many are still running, 2) how many have been replaced and 3) how many are
satisfied. The rest is Microsoft hyperbole and conjecture but it is clear
there is a problem.

"Adam Albright" <AA@ABC.net> wrote in message
news:cpha445qi7907r8u6svd8u6i3q6heerpnf@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Jun 2008 01:41:22 -0500, Dzomlija <guest@unknown-email.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>cheley_bonstell88;734728 Wrote:
>>> Worth Saving Windows XP, in the opinion of over 200,000
>>>
>>> 'Save Windows XP | InfoWorld' (http://weblog.infoworld.com/save-xp/)
>>
>>
>>Have you never heard the phrase "The needs of the many outweigh the
>>needs or the few"?
>>
>>The needs of 200,000 people who want to keep XP can hardly be compared
>>to those of 120,000,000 who want to embrace the future and continue
>>using Vista...
>
> The 200,000 are people that have already signed the Infoworld petition
> to "save" XP and in no way reflects how many people currently use and
> perhaps PREFER XP over Vista.
>
> Hint: Microsoft's own figures show 84% of their install base have NOT
> upgraded to Vista. So it would seem better than 8 of 10 people already
> using Windows don't agree with you.
>
> If Vista is the future, we're screwed bad. Even Microsoft Ballmer and
> Gates admit Vista "needs work". Yea, I've noticed.

It was unfortunate they chose Vista as the base source for Win 7.
Essentially Win 7 will be regurgitated Vista. In reality, Win 7 should be a
major service pack for Vista. Triple dip coming up.

Buy a system with OEM Vista, license 1.

So ticked with Vista, you buy another copy of XP, OEM or full (or get conned
into the Ultimate route to Vista hell). The double dip.

Then Win 7, lets assume it is Vista fixed up. The triple dip.

Oh, there is a method to the MS madness. Bilk the customer.