"Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost PC
use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers have been
warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date. When Ballmer
said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to extending the life of
XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs to take matters into their
own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now doing by using Microsoft's
"Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs with Windows XP beyond June." -
[url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html[/url]

IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!

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Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:4xIRj.13205$4X5.8707@fe192.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
> "Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost PC
> use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers have been
> warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date. When Ballmer
> said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to extending the life of
> XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs to take matters into their
> own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now doing by using Microsoft's
> "Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs with Windows XP beyond June." -
> [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html[/url]
>
> IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>[/color]

Sounds like a smart move by Microsoft. Quite a few businesses don't want to
upset the apple cart by migrating over to Vista and I don't blame them.
Especially with legacy applications that they need to run.

I continue to use XP for my development and have no plans to move to Vista.

My test box is Vista so I can play with the features and see what bugs come
up so when we do migrate, it won't be such a shock.

Bill Yanaire wrote:
[color=blue]
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:4xIRj.13205$4X5.8707@fe192.usenetserver.com...[color=green]
>> "Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost PC
>> use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers have
>> been warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date. When
>> Ballmer said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to extending
>> the life of XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs to take
>> matters into their own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now doing by using
>> Microsoft's "Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs with Windows XP
>> beyond June." -
>> [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-[/url][/color][/color]
windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!
>>
>>[/color]
> Sounds like a smart move by Microsoft.[/color]

Did you read the article? The OEMs are just stretching the line of MS's
previous downgrade-rights policy.

MS cannot really shut off sales of XP on June 30th, even if it wanted to.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in message
news:obLRj.36103$JN4.21541@fe68.usenetserver.com...[color=blue]
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>> message news:4xIRj.13205$4X5.8707@fe192.usenetserver.com...[color=darkred]
>>> "Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost PC
>>> use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers have
>>> been warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date. When
>>> Ballmer said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to extending
>>> the life of XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs to take
>>> matters into their own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now doing by using
>>> Microsoft's "Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs with Windows XP
>>> beyond June." -
>>> [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-[/url][/color][/color]
> windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>
>>> IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!
>>>
>>>[/color]
>> Sounds like a smart move by Microsoft.[/color]
>
> Did you read the article? The OEMs are just stretching the line of MS's
> previous downgrade-rights policy.
>
> MS cannot really shut off sales of XP on June 30th, even if it wanted to.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>[/color]

Yes, I read the article. It is up to Microsoft to enforce the rules and
Microsoft is letting the OEM's continue their downgrade rights. In the end,
it's up to Microsoft.

Bill Yanaire wrote:
[color=blue]
> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> message news:obLRj.36103$JN4.21541@fe68.usenetserver.com...[color=green]
>> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
>>> message news:4xIRj.13205$4X5.8707@fe192.usenetserver.com...
>>>> "Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost
>>>> PC use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers
>>>> have been warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date.
>>>> When Ballmer said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to
>>>> extending the life of XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs
>>>> to take matters into their own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now
>>>> doing by using Microsoft's "Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs
>>>> with Windows XP beyond June." -
>>>> [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-[/url][/color]
>> windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html[color=darkred]
>>>>
>>>> IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Sounds like a smart move by Microsoft.[/color]
>>
>> Did you read the article? The OEMs are just stretching the line of
>> MS's previous downgrade-rights policy.
>>
>> MS cannot really shut off sales of XP on June 30th, even if it wanted
>> to.
>>
>>[/color]
> Yes, I read the article.[/color]

Oh, so you just have a reading comprehension problem. I understand now!
[color=blue]
> It is up to Microsoft to enforce the rules and
> Microsoft is letting the OEM's continue their downgrade rights. In the
> end, it's up to Microsoft.[/color]

LOL! Let's see MS try to stop it.

--
Peace!
Kurt
Former Self-anointed Moderator
microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
"Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"

Microsoft owns the licences; very simple!
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"kurttrail" wrote:
[color=blue]
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> > message news:obLRj.36103$JN4.21541@fe68.usenetserver.com...[color=darkred]
> >> Bill Yanaire wrote:
> >>
> >>> "kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknownuniverse.org> wrote in
> >>> message news:4xIRj.13205$4X5.8707@fe192.usenetserver.com...
> >>>> "Microsoft may have decided to give XP Home (only for ultra-low-cost
> >>>> PC use) to OEMs at least through June 2010, but OEMs and customers
> >>>> have been warily eying Window XP's June 30, 2008, expiration date.
> >>>> When Ballmer said "we can always wake up smarter" in regards to
> >>>> extending the life of XP again, he may not have been expecting OEMs
> >>>> to take matters into their own hands, as Dell and Lenovo are now
> >>>> doing by using Microsoft's "Downgrade Rights" to keep selling PCs
> >>>> with Windows XP beyond June." -
> >>>> [url]http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080428-dell-lenovo-to-offer-[/url]
> >> windows-xp-beyond-june-30-cutoff.html
> >>>>
> >>>> IOWs, tough sh*t Microsoft!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Sounds like a smart move by Microsoft.
> >>
> >> Did you read the article? The OEMs are just stretching the line of
> >> MS's previous downgrade-rights policy.
> >>
> >> MS cannot really shut off sales of XP on June 30th, even if it wanted
> >> to.
> >>
> >>[/color]
> > Yes, I read the article.[/color]
>
> Oh, so you just have a reading comprehension problem. I understand now!
>[color=green]
> > It is up to Microsoft to enforce the rules and
> > Microsoft is letting the OEM's continue their downgrade rights. In the
> > end, it's up to Microsoft.[/color]
>
> LOL! Let's see MS try to stop it.
>
> --
> Peace!
> Kurt
> Former Self-anointed Moderator
> microscum.pubic.windowsexp.gonorrhea
> "Produkt-Aktivierung macht frei!"
>
>[/color]

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:10:21 -0700, "Bill Yanaire" <bill@yanaire.com>
wrote:
[color=blue]
>Yes, I read the article. It is up to Microsoft to enforce the rules and
>Microsoft is letting the OEM's continue their downgrade rights. In the end,
>it's up to Microsoft.[/color]

Actually Microsoft is the one that allowed it in the first place.

[url]http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/2/3/d23b9533-169d-4996-b198-7b9d3fe15611/downgrade_chart.doc[/url]

"Rights to OEM versions of systems software are granted in the OEM
License Terms. The OEM License Terms for most OEM versions of systems
software do not grant downgrade rights. The exception is the OEM
License Terms for the Windows® XP Professional operating system and
the Windows Vista™ Business and Windows Vista Ultimate operating
systems, which grant downgrade rights. See the full text of the OEM
License Terms for the specific downgrade rights. "

JD