[url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=664[/url]

I guess either these guys come in the vista newsgroups and steal SOME of my
predictions.. or just have the common sense the vista fanboys lack!

Article: (its long so I include only a portion of it here, to read the rest
click on the above link)

Prediction: Microsoft will leapfrog Vista, release Windows 7 early, and
change its OS business

Microsoft is nothing if not responsive to its customers. In fact, it's
hyper-responsive. That's why we've ended up with feature-bloat in both
Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office as the company has tried to please
everyone by including everything-but-the-kitchen-sink in its software.
And that's why Microsoft will ultimately try to quell the embarrassing
Windows Vista debacle by making a bold move with Windows 7 to win back
customer loyalty and generate positive spin for its most important product.
What will happen next?
My prognosis is that Microsoft will use smoke and mirrors to conjure up an
early release of Windows 7, the next edition of the world's most widely-used
operating system. Then they will quietly and unofficially allow IT
departments to migrate straight from Windows XP to Windows 7.
Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has already alluded to this and IT departments
have certainly welcomed that idea, since most of them have found very few
reasons to migrate to Vista - although my colleague John Sheesley recently
argued the devil's advocate position for IT departments to adopt Vista.
To be clear, I am not predicting that Microsoft will do a quick-and-massive
overhaul of Windows Vista in the next 12 months. Instead, I think we'll see
Microsoft do the following:

Strip out or minimize some of Windows Vista's clunkiest features -
especially User Account Control

Simplify the interface back to something closer to Windows XP

Reduce backward compatibility in order to streamline the code base

Work much harder with vendors to ensure driver and software compatibility
with new hardware and applications

Reduce the cost of Windows in retail boxes in order to generate goodwill and
undercut Mac OS X (meanwhile, this will have little effect on the price of
enterprise licensing, which is already much cheaper than retail)

Learn from the long delay of Windows Vista and move to an incremental
release model with a subscription and at least one major update per year.
Financially,
most IT departments are already on a subscription plan. Now look for
Microsoft to move consumers in this direction.

Release Windows 7 by the end of 2009 and market it as the simplest and
easiest Windows ever

Did Vista get this much Hype as Windows 7 now is getting so long before its
release date? I can't remember.

"vishhiita prime" <vee@shhhita.ch> wrote in message
news:480d9a12$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=664[/url]
>
> I guess either these guys come in the vista newsgroups and steal SOME of
> my
> predictions.. or just have the common sense the vista fanboys lack!
>
> Article: (its long so I include only a portion of it here, to read the
> rest
> click on the above link)
>
> Prediction: Microsoft will leapfrog Vista, release Windows 7 early, and
> change its OS business
>
> Microsoft is nothing if not responsive to its customers. In fact, it's
> hyper-responsive. That's why we've ended up with feature-bloat in both
> Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office as the company has tried to please
> everyone by including everything-but-the-kitchen-sink in its software.
> And that's why Microsoft will ultimately try to quell the embarrassing
> Windows Vista debacle by making a bold move with Windows 7 to win back
> customer loyalty and generate positive spin for its most important
> product.
> What will happen next?
> My prognosis is that Microsoft will use smoke and mirrors to conjure up an
> early release of Windows 7, the next edition of the world's most
> widely-used
> operating system. Then they will quietly and unofficially allow IT
> departments to migrate straight from Windows XP to Windows 7.
> Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has already alluded to this and IT
> departments
> have certainly welcomed that idea, since most of them have found very few
> reasons to migrate to Vista - although my colleague John Sheesley recently
> argued the devil's advocate position for IT departments to adopt Vista.
> To be clear, I am not predicting that Microsoft will do a
> quick-and-massive
> overhaul of Windows Vista in the next 12 months. Instead, I think we'll
> see
> Microsoft do the following:
>
> Strip out or minimize some of Windows Vista's clunkiest features -
> especially User Account Control
>
> Simplify the interface back to something closer to Windows XP
>
> Reduce backward compatibility in order to streamline the code base
>
> Work much harder with vendors to ensure driver and software compatibility
> with new hardware and applications
>
> Reduce the cost of Windows in retail boxes in order to generate goodwill
> and
> undercut Mac OS X (meanwhile, this will have little effect on the price of
> enterprise licensing, which is already much cheaper than retail)
>
> Learn from the long delay of Windows Vista and move to an incremental
> release model with a subscription and at least one major update per year.
> Financially,
> most IT departments are already on a subscription plan. Now look for
> Microsoft to move consumers in this direction.
>
> Release Windows 7 by the end of 2009 and market it as the simplest and
> easiest Windows ever
>
>[/color]

vista has a history of hype and huge promises

I am glad to see this article saying the same things I have been saying for
years now...

I guess fanboys like frank will shrug it off, and call the article just
another e-rag, or actually start understanding
that I was right all along



"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
news:eZVJqFFpIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Did Vista get this much Hype as Windows 7 now is getting so long before[/color]
its[color=blue]
> release date? I can't remember.
>
> "vishhiita prime" <vee@shhhita.ch> wrote in message
> news:480d9a12$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
> > [url]http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=664[/url]
> >
> > I guess either these guys come in the vista newsgroups and steal SOME of
> > my
> > predictions.. or just have the common sense the vista fanboys lack!
> >
> > Article: (its long so I include only a portion of it here, to read the
> > rest
> > click on the above link)
> >
> > Prediction: Microsoft will leapfrog Vista, release Windows 7 early, and
> > change its OS business
> >
> > Microsoft is nothing if not responsive to its customers. In fact, it's
> > hyper-responsive. That's why we've ended up with feature-bloat in both
> > Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office as the company has tried to[/color][/color]
please[color=blue][color=green]
> > everyone by including everything-but-the-kitchen-sink in its software.
> > And that's why Microsoft will ultimately try to quell the embarrassing
> > Windows Vista debacle by making a bold move with Windows 7 to win back
> > customer loyalty and generate positive spin for its most important
> > product.
> > What will happen next?
> > My prognosis is that Microsoft will use smoke and mirrors to conjure up[/color][/color]
an[color=blue][color=green]
> > early release of Windows 7, the next edition of the world's most
> > widely-used
> > operating system. Then they will quietly and unofficially allow IT
> > departments to migrate straight from Windows XP to Windows 7.
> > Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has already alluded to this and IT
> > departments
> > have certainly welcomed that idea, since most of them have found very[/color][/color]
few[color=blue][color=green]
> > reasons to migrate to Vista - although my colleague John Sheesley[/color][/color]
recently[color=blue][color=green]
> > argued the devil's advocate position for IT departments to adopt Vista.
> > To be clear, I am not predicting that Microsoft will do a
> > quick-and-massive
> > overhaul of Windows Vista in the next 12 months. Instead, I think we'll
> > see
> > Microsoft do the following:
> >
> > Strip out or minimize some of Windows Vista's clunkiest features -
> > especially User Account Control
> >
> > Simplify the interface back to something closer to Windows XP
> >
> > Reduce backward compatibility in order to streamline the code base
> >
> > Work much harder with vendors to ensure driver and software[/color][/color]
compatibility[color=blue][color=green]
> > with new hardware and applications
> >
> > Reduce the cost of Windows in retail boxes in order to generate goodwill
> > and
> > undercut Mac OS X (meanwhile, this will have little effect on the price[/color][/color]
of[color=blue][color=green]
> > enterprise licensing, which is already much cheaper than retail)
> >
> > Learn from the long delay of Windows Vista and move to an incremental
> > release model with a subscription and at least one major update per[/color][/color]
year.[color=blue][color=green]
> > Financially,
> > most IT departments are already on a subscription plan. Now look for
> > Microsoft to move consumers in this direction.
> >
> > Release Windows 7 by the end of 2009 and market it as the simplest and
> > easiest Windows ever
> >
> >[/color][/color]

"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
news:eZVJqFFpIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Did Vista get this much Hype as Windows 7 now is getting so long before
> its release date? I can't remember.[/color]

It got more. That's part of the problem to be honest. They promised the
world, stripped it back and cut features, then realised they had a mess and
hit the reset button before rushing an incomplete system out the door which
failed to live up to the hype.

Ever go see a film that you heard so much about, and actually think it was a
good film but come away disappointed because it wasn't as good as the
critics painted it? That's a big part of the vista experience right there.

"Ever go see a film that you heard so much about..."

I have quite often seen the opposite happen, critics dislike the movie but
movie goers like it.



"Robert Moir" <usenet@REMOVE2EMAILrobertmoir.com> wrote in message
news:uQTVmRFpIHA.4292@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
>
> "Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
> news:eZVJqFFpIHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...[color=green]
>> Did Vista get this much Hype as Windows 7 now is getting so long before
>> its release date? I can't remember.[/color]
>
> It got more. That's part of the problem to be honest. They promised the
> world, stripped it back and cut features, then realised they had a mess
> and hit the reset button before rushing an incomplete system out the door
> which failed to live up to the hype.
>
> Ever go see a film that you heard so much about, and actually think it was
> a good film but come away disappointed because it wasn't as good as the
> critics painted it? That's a big part of the vista experience right there.
>[/color]

"vishhiita prime" <vee@shhhita.ch> wrote in message
news:480d9a12$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=blue]
> Prediction: Microsoft will leapfrog Vista, release Windows 7 early, and
> change its OS business[/color]

Prediction: clueless people will continue to make clueless predictions.

"Gary Mount" <gary_mount@telus.net> wrote in message
news:eETsw3FpIHA.3568@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> "Ever go see a film that you heard so much about..."
>
> I have quite often seen the opposite happen, critics dislike the movie but
> movie goers like it.[/color]

Well yes that too. Either way, it's an interesting point around expectations
vs. delivery, isn't it?

hello my stupid vista fanboy friend.
See in what a corner MS has put itself in?
First they design a crappy UI for vista, and some are stupid enough to
actually like it.
Then when they will fix it, people will complain.

TOUGH! They should fix it to be usable, and let you whiners complain all you
want!!!


"Dzomlija" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:825387720eeb2570360e19cea7dfc476@nntp-gateway.com...[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Strip out or minimize some of Windows Vista's clunkiest features -
> > especially User Account Control[/color]
>
> To what end? So the bashers can start complaining about how much more
> secure Vista is over Windows 7?
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Simplify the interface back to something closer to Windows XP[/color]
>
> This falls in line with the first quote. By rolling the UI back to
> something closer to XP, all that will happen is that people will
> complain too much about how dumb it is and how much better the Vista UI
> is.
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Reduce backward compatibility in order to streamline the code base[/color]
>
> So people can complain even more about how nothing works? If anything,
> backward compatibility will be improved, not reduced.
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Work much harder with vendors to ensure driver and software
> > compatibility with new hardware and applications[/color]
>
> The only reason why Vista initially had driver related problems is
> because Microsoft moved to a new user-mode model for drivers to make the
> system more secure, and many hardware manufacturers had issues with the
> resulting learning curve. Windows 7 will use the same user-mode driver
> model as Vista, so manufacturers will not have as hard a time
> transitioning from Vista to Windows 7 as they did from XP to Vista.
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Reduce the cost of Windows in retail boxes in order to generate goodwill
> > and undercut Mac OS X (meanwhile, this will have little effect on the
> > price of enterprise licensing, which is already much cheaper than
> > retail)[/color]
>
> A cost reduction will always be welcome. But remember the largest
> factor here - the easier it is to crack/patch/pirate Windows, the more
> expensive it will be for end users who ultimately end up paying.
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Learn from the long delay of Windows Vista and move to an incremental
> > release model with a subscription and at least one major update per
> > year.[/color]
>
> There is nothing to learn from the long delay of Vista, except that the
> additional time spent can be seen in the stability, reliability and
> performance of the final release. Personally, I'd prefer to see another
> 4-5 year relase time-frame for Windows 7, which will give the coders at
> Microsoft more time to streamline the product as well as Vista was.
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Financially, most IT departments are already on a subscription plan. Now
> > look for Microsoft to move consumers in this direction.[/color]
>
> Microsoft will maintain the status quo here, as the largest part of the
> market is not yet ready to adopt a subscription based model. This
> particular trend is still open for debate, though...
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
> > Release Windows 7 by the end of 2009 and market it as the simplest and
> > easiest Windows ever[/color]
>
> Isn't that what was said about XP? And about Windows 2000 before it? an
> about Windows ME/98/95 before that?
>
> Each successive release of Windows (or any other OS) is always "the
> simplest and easiest ever"!
>
>
> --
> Dzomlija
>
> Peter Alexander Dzomlija
> -Do you hear, huh? The Alpha and The Omega? Death and Rebirth? And as
> you die, so shall I be Reborn...-
>
> _*Prometheus*_
> MOBO: ASUS MB-M3A32-MVP Deluxe/WiFi-AP
> CPU: AMD Phenom 9600 Quad
> RAM: 2 x A-Data 2GB DDR2-800
> GPU: ASUS ATI Radeon HD 2400PRO, 256MB
> BOX: Thermaltake Tai-Chi Water Cooled
> OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64
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> ([url]http://valid.x86-secret.com/cache/banner/333562.png[/url])[/color]

I never understood why people would hang around newsgroups for reasons other
than asking for help, helping others or complaining about a bad product.

You seem to be doing none of the above.


"silver" <guest@unknown-email.com> wrote in message
news:7ec0e259c64edea26aee429b508486d0@nntp-gateway.com...[color=blue]
>
> Good post Darth, Why people like that frequent dedicated sites, just to
> be negative, beats me.
>
>
> --
> silver[/color]

you can hang on to that tight as the vista ship will be sinking.. dont let
go ok?


"Bob Campbell" <bob@bob.bob> wrote in message
news:OpednYEo1Y1sWZDVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@supernews.com...[color=blue]
> "vishhiita prime" <vee@shhhita.ch> wrote in message
> news:480d9a12$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...[color=green]
> > Prediction: Microsoft will leapfrog Vista, release Windows 7 early, and
> > change its OS business[/color]
>
> Prediction: clueless people will continue to make clueless predictions.
>[/color]

silver wrote:
[color=blue]
> Good post Darth, Why people like that frequent dedicated sites, just to
> be negative, beats me.[/color]

Why people like you frequent dedicated sites, just to suck ass, beats me.

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Dzomlija wrote:
[color=blue]
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Strip out or minimize some of Windows Vista's clunkiest features -
>> especially User Account Control[/color]
>
> To what end? So the bashers can start complaining about how much more
> secure Vista is over Windows 7?[/color]

You mean like all the people did with ME? Oh yeah, people are still
dissing ME all these years later.

History is not on your side.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Simplify the interface back to something closer to Windows XP[/color]
>
> This falls in line with the first quote. By rolling the UI back to
> something closer to XP, all that will happen is that people will
> complain too much about how dumb it is and how much better the Vista UI
> is.[/color]

It depends. No one is gonna miss UAC, which MS admitted to purposefully
trying to piss off customers with it, in order to coerce software
developers to code the way MS mandates.

Stripping out the crap that bogs down Explorer ain't gonna piss off that
many people either.

As long as MS keeps the good things about Vista, like its improved memory
management, MS could redesign Vista, repackage it, and as long as it is
stable and fast, most people will be happy to be able to skip over the
pain that is Vista.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Reduce backward compatibility in order to streamline the code base[/color]
>
> So people can complain even more about how nothing works? If anything,
> backward compatibility will be improved, not reduced.[/color]

I agree with you here. MS would be stupid to try and pull that with
Win7. Shooting one's self in the foot comes to mind.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Work much harder with vendors to ensure driver and software
>> compatibility with new hardware and applications[/color]
>
> The only reason why Vista initially had driver related problems is
> because Microsoft moved to a new user-mode model for drivers to make the
> system more secure, and many hardware manufacturers had issues with the
> resulting learning curve. Windows 7 will use the same user-mode driver
> model as Vista, so manufacturers will not have as hard a time
> transitioning from Vista to Windows 7 as they did from XP to Vista.[/color]

Well, you are essentially right. MS is trying to use the new driver
model to coerce Hardware Manufacturers in making their product more
compatible with MS's DRM technologies.

MS needs to give up its obsession with DRM if it wants to make nice with
all the customers it has pissed off with Vista, and all the coercion crap
that has made Vista into the pisspot that it is today.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Reduce the cost of Windows in retail boxes in order to generate
>> goodwill and undercut Mac OS X (meanwhile, this will have little effect
>> on the price of enterprise licensing, which is already much cheaper
>> than retail)[/color]
>
> A cost reduction will always be welcome. But remember the largest factor
> here - the easier it is to crack/patch/pirate Windows, the more
> expensive it will be for end users who ultimately end up paying.[/color]

Only because you are under the delusion that MS is actually hurt by
piracy.

The Global Software Piracy Rate was much higher in 1994 than in 2001, and
had been consistently dropping every year in betweeen. Then MS introduced
PA in both Office XP & Windows XP, and then other companies followed
suit. Since the introduction of PA-like technologies, the Global
Software Piracy Rate stopped dropping (except for the year that the BSA
changed its methodology in calculation the GSPR) and has remained flat.

These DRM technologies don't help to reduce piracy on iota. All they do
is add to the price of the DRMed product.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Learn from the long delay of Windows Vista and move to an incremental
>> release model with a subscription and at least one major update per
>> year.[/color]
>
> There is nothing to learn from the long delay of Vista, except that the
> additional time spent can be seen in the stability, reliability and
> performance of the final release. Personally, I'd prefer to see another
> 4-5 year relase time-frame for Windows 7, which will give the coders at
> Microsoft more time to streamline the product as well as Vista was.[/color]

LOL! Even Steve Balmer wouldn't agree that! Most knowledgeable people
agree that many mistakes were made during the development stage of Vista,
and that MS cannot repeat them again, unless it is actually trying to
move people away from Windows.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Financially, most IT departments are already on a subscription plan.
>> Now look for Microsoft to move consumers in this direction.[/color]
>
> Microsoft will maintain the status quo here, as the largest part of the
> market is not yet ready to adopt a subscription based model. This
> particular trend is still open for debate, though...[/color]

They are already been testing out the subscription model with Office
products, but I'd agree that MS is not likely to start it with Win7.
[color=blue]
>
> vishhiita prime;690615 Wrote:[color=green]
>> Release Windows 7 by the end of 2009 and market it as the simplest and
>> easiest Windows ever[/color]
>
> Isn't that what was said about XP? And about Windows 2000 before it? an
> about Windows ME/98/95 before that?
>
> Each successive release of Windows (or any other OS) is always "the
> simplest and easiest ever"![/color]

I just don't remember that Vista was ever marketed as "simplest." Hell,
if they did, it would be a major part of the Vista-capable con-job class
action suit.

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Bob Campbell wrote:
[color=blue]
> Prediction: clueless people will continue to make clueless predictions.[/color]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Self-fulfilling prophesy above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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vishhiita prime wrote:
[color=blue]
> I never understood why people would hang around newsgroups for reasons other
> than asking for help, helping others or complaining about a bad product.
>
> You seem to be doing none of the above.
>[/color]

hahahah....OMG! Now we have the pot calling the kettle black!...LOL!
Grow up you idiot moron loser!
Frank

vishhiita prime wrote:
[color=blue]
> you can hang on to that tight as the vista ship will be sinking.. dont let
> go ok?[/color]
------------------------------------------------------
Tell us you dumb fukk...just exactly what effect your bloated hatred for
MS and Vista will have on MSFT, huh?
Frank