DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
[color=blue]
> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>[color=green]
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some of
>>>>>> the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just like it
>>>>>> I have used.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>
>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>
>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what, it
>>> is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with Ardour
>>> from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I installed
>>> Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack, looked at it,
>>> saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the audio works, so I'm
>>> not going to f with that'.
>>>
>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this system,
>>> I'll post the install log along with all of it's dependencies and
>>> everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>
>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>
>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>
>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not a
>>>> very good one at all.
>>>
>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>> truth.[/color]
>>
>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't record
>> anything.
>>
>> What HW and audio sources did you use?[/color]
>
> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>
> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means I had
> existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to check out it's
> mixing and editing capabilities.[/color]

So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're making
things up or dont know what Ardour is for.

Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:ftnsui$ntj$8@registered.motzarella.org:
[color=blue]
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>[color=green]
>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some
>>>>>>> of the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just
>>>>>>> like it I have used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>>
>>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what,
>>>> it is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with
>>>> Ardour from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I
>>>> installed Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack,
>>>> looked at it, saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the audio
>>>> works, so I'm not going to f with that'.
>>>>
>>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this system,
>>>> I'll post the install log along with all of it's dependencies and
>>>> everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>>
>>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>>
>>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>>
>>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not a
>>>>> very good one at all.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>>> truth.
>>>
>>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't
>>> record anything.
>>>
>>> What HW and audio sources did you use?[/color]
>>
>> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>>
>> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means I
>> had existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to check
>> out it's mixing and editing capabilities.[/color]
>
> So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're
> making things up or dont know what Ardour is for.[/color]

What I am admitting to is that I installed Ardour, and with the default
install, it appeared to work properly with everything I tested, which I
described to you, including the HW and SS installed. That is what I said,
nothing more, nothing less.

I am making nothing up and I do know Ardour is for. I have given you no
other reason to suspect anything different other than the fact that it
seems to install and work easily.

DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
[color=blue]
> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
> news:ftnsui$ntj$8@registered.motzarella.org:
>[color=green]
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some
>>>>>>>> of the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just
>>>>>>>> like it I have used.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what,
>>>>> it is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with
>>>>> Ardour from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I
>>>>> installed Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack,
>>>>> looked at it, saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the audio
>>>>> works, so I'm not going to f with that'.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this system,
>>>>> I'll post the install log along with all of it's dependencies and
>>>>> everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>>>
>>>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>>>
>>>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not a
>>>>>> very good one at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>>>> truth.
>>>>
>>>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't
>>>> record anything.
>>>>
>>>> What HW and audio sources did you use?
>>>
>>> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>>>
>>> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means I
>>> had existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to check
>>> out it's mixing and editing capabilities.[/color]
>>
>> So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're
>> making things up or dont know what Ardour is for.[/color]
>
> What I am admitting to is that I installed Ardour, and with the default
> install, it appeared to work properly with everything I tested, which I
> described to you, including the HW and SS installed. That is what I said,
> nothing more, nothing less.
>
> I am making nothing up and I do know Ardour is for. I have given you no
> other reason to suspect anything different other than the fact that it
> seems to install and work easily.[/color]

But by your own admission you havent actually used it for anything that
it was designed for - namely low latency mixing for separate audio
sources.


In other words your "me too" was pointless.

Sorry DanS, I'm sure you meant well, but really.

Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
news:fto2g1$97m$2@registered.motzarella.org:
[color=blue]
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>[color=green]
>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>> news:ftnsui$ntj$8@registered.motzarella.org:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>>
>>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some
>>>>>>>>> of the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just
>>>>>>>>> like it I have used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what,
>>>>>> it is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with
>>>>>> Ardour from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I
>>>>>> installed Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack,
>>>>>> looked at it, saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the
>>>>>> audio works, so I'm not going to f with that'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this
>>>>>> system, I'll post the install log along with all of it's
>>>>>> dependencies and everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not
>>>>>>> a very good one at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't
>>>>> record anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> What HW and audio sources did you use?
>>>>
>>>> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means
>>>> I had existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to
>>>> check out it's mixing and editing capabilities.
>>>
>>> So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're
>>> making things up or dont know what Ardour is for.[/color]
>>
>> What I am admitting to is that I installed Ardour, and with the
>> default install, it appeared to work properly with everything I
>> tested, which I described to you, including the HW and SS installed.
>> That is what I said, nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> I am making nothing up and I do know Ardour is for. I have given you
>> no other reason to suspect anything different other than the fact
>> that it seems to install and work easily.[/color]
>
> But by your own admission you havent actually used it for anything
> that it was designed for - namely low latency mixing for separate
> audio sources.[/color]

For a minute there, I thought you were different from GoldFart.

But I was wrong.
[color=blue]
> In other words your "me too" was pointless.[/color]

What is pointless is talking to you...or GoldFart...or Frank. In typical
(anyOS)-tard fashion, you will continue to pick apart anything I say and
come up with some _other_ reason as to why I'm wrong, and if I disprove
that, you will just come up with some new miniscule detail to dispute.

I could do all of this with you physically in the room and watching
everything happen and you _still_ wouldn't believe it.

I'm doing nothing but wasting my time, so, I'm done with you.

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:08:55 -0700 (PDT), dawhead wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Apr 11, 12:11 am, Moshe Goldfarb <brick.n.st...******.com> wrote:>[color=green]
>> I subscribed to ALSA list once to attempt to get information as to how
>> ALSA/Jack/dmix/etc all work and interact together.
>>
>> All I got was highly confused.
>>
>> I have a Delta 1010 which has 10 inputs and 10 outputs.
>> Under Windows assigning signals to any in/out is one click.[/color]
>
> 1 click and 100msec of latency. Which is why pro-audio and music-
> producing users unders Windows don't generally use the Windows sound
> system but instead use ASIO drivers.[/color]

Exactly....

Like I said, 1 click and 2.3msec latency.

What drivers do you think I am using?

BTW I can also use WDM drivers and get the same latency.
Both are installed with the soundcard BTW.

Oh yes, I *am* a professional


[color=blue]
> This has changed somewhat in
> Vista, where MS finally got a clue that their entire desktop-consumer-
> centric audio system was useless for pro-audio, but it is still the
> case today that most Windows pro-audio work (for which JACK and Ardour
> are generic equivalents) do NOT use the standard Windows sound stuff.
> With ASIO, its not quite so trivial to do what you are describing.[/color]

Vista is borked for professional sound and DAW work.
As for XP, it's trivial.
You slide a slider to the latency you want.

How much easier do you want it?


[color=blue][color=green]
>> Under ALSA and Linux?
>> I never did figure it out.
>> It's a freaking mess.[/color]
>
> This much is true. What are you doing to help fix it, or are you just
> complaining?[/color]

I was on the ALSA mailing list for a couple of years.
They are freaks who are mostly programmers and not musicians, at least not
professional musicians.

They have no clue about user friendliness, how to write proper
documentation and so forth.

You ask a question like how can I use all 10 of my inputs and outputs and
you get responses like "did you compile ALSA with dmix capability" ? and
stuff like that.

It's a freaking mess.

At the time, thank God for the Morton kernel or nothing would have worked.

Come to think of it, nothing much has changed.


--
Moshe Goldfarb
Collector of soaps from around the globe.
Please visit The Hall of Linux Idiots:
[url]http://linuxidiots.blogspot.com/[/url]

On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:09:32 +0200, Hadron wrote:
[color=blue]
> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>[color=green]
>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>> news:ftnsui$ntj$8@registered.motzarella.org:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>>
>>>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>>
>>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some
>>>>>>>>> of the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just
>>>>>>>>> like it I have used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what,
>>>>>> it is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with
>>>>>> Ardour from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I
>>>>>> installed Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack,
>>>>>> looked at it, saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the audio
>>>>>> works, so I'm not going to f with that'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this system,
>>>>>> I'll post the install log along with all of it's dependencies and
>>>>>> everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not a
>>>>>>> very good one at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't
>>>>> record anything.
>>>>>
>>>>> What HW and audio sources did you use?
>>>>
>>>> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means I
>>>> had existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to check
>>>> out it's mixing and editing capabilities.
>>>
>>> So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're
>>> making things up or dont know what Ardour is for.[/color]
>>
>> What I am admitting to is that I installed Ardour, and with the default
>> install, it appeared to work properly with everything I tested, which I
>> described to you, including the HW and SS installed. That is what I
>> said, nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>> I am making nothing up and I do know Ardour is for. I have given you no
>> other reason to suspect anything different other than the fact that it
>> seems to install and work easily.[/color]
>
> But by your own admission you havent actually used it for anything that
> it was designed for - namely low latency mixing for separate audio
> sources.[/color]

[url]http://ardour.org/[/url]
"Ardour is a digital audio workstation. You can use it to record, edit
and mix multi-track audio. You can produce your own CDs, mix video
soundtracks, or just experiment with new ideas about music and
sound.Ardour capabilities include: multichannel recording, non-
destructive editing with unlimited undo/redo, full automation support, a
powerful mixer, unlimited tracks/busses/plugins, timecode
synchronization, and hardware control from surfaces like the Mackie
Control Universal."

It sounds to me like he used Ardour for things it was designed for.
[color=blue]
>
>
> In other words your "me too" was pointless.
>
> Sorry DanS, I'm sure you meant well, but really.[/color]





--
Rick

Rick wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 18:09:32 +0200, Hadron wrote:
>[color=green]
>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ftnsui$ntj$8@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>
>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@a.d.e.l.p.h.i.a.n.e.t> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Hadron <hadronquark@googlemail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:ftnpkm$ntj$2@registered.motzarella.org:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DanS <t.h.i.s.n.t.h.a.t@r.o.a.d.r.u.n.n.e.r.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ardour seems like a decent OSS application, comparable to some
>>>>>>>>>> of the commercial (not top-end though) Windows audio s/w just
>>>>>>>>>> like it I have used.
>>>>>>>>> And yet you didn't record anything with it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uh, ok.
>>>>>>>> I was trying to be nice, but obviously he didn't get anything
>>>>>>>> working with Ardour because you need Jack to get it going and he
>>>>>>>> would have mentioned that.
>>>>>>> Obviously nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I didn't know Jack needed to be installed, but you know what,
>>>>>>> it is. I don't remember installing it maybe it came down with
>>>>>>> Ardour from aptitude. I saw it in the Audio/Video menu after I
>>>>>>> installed Ardour and was looking to start that. I started Jack,
>>>>>>> looked at it, saw what it was for, said to myself...'well the audio
>>>>>>> works, so I'm not going to f with that'.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK, next time I need to prove that something works on this system,
>>>>>>> I'll post the install log along with all of it's dependencies and
>>>>>>> everything else even remotely related to it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IOW I set him up, but the other guy spilled the beans.
>>>>>>> You set me up ?! That's funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's just another Linux advocate's "works for me" post, and not a
>>>>>>>> very good one at all.
>>>>>>> No, it's not a Linux advocate's post. Just a post. And just the
>>>>>>> truth.
>>>>>> Seriously, what did you use it for? You already said you didn't
>>>>>> record anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What HW and audio sources did you use?
>>>>> The hardware was described in an earlier post from this morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yes, I didn't record anything _directly_ in Ardour, which means I
>>>>> had existing audio files that I had 'imported' into Ardour to check
>>>>> out it's mixing and editing capabilities.
>>>> So you didn't use multi source at all? Look, admit it for you're
>>>> making things up or dont know what Ardour is for.
>>> What I am admitting to is that I installed Ardour, and with the default
>>> install, it appeared to work properly with everything I tested, which I
>>> described to you, including the HW and SS installed. That is what I
>>> said, nothing more, nothing less.
>>>
>>> I am making nothing up and I do know Ardour is for. I have given you no
>>> other reason to suspect anything different other than the fact that it
>>> seems to install and work easily.[/color]
>> But by your own admission you havent actually used it for anything that
>> it was designed for - namely low latency mixing for separate audio
>> sources.[/color]
>
> [url]http://ardour.org/[/url]
> "Ardour is a digital audio workstation. You can use it to record, edit
> and mix multi-track audio. You can produce your own CDs, mix video
> soundtracks, or just experiment with new ideas about music and
> sound.Ardour capabilities include: multichannel recording, non-
> destructive editing with unlimited undo/redo, full automation support, a
> powerful mixer, unlimited tracks/busses/plugins, timecode
> synchronization, and hardware control from surfaces like the Mackie
> Control Universal."
>
> It sounds to me like he used Ardour for things it was designed for.
>[color=green]
>>
>> In other words your "me too" was pointless.
>>
>> Sorry DanS, I'm sure you meant well, but really.[/color]
>
>
>
>
>[/color]


You really need to ignore the likes of Hardon. He hates to hear that
anything Linux just works. If you say it does you are a liar in his eyes.
caver1

>Moshe Goldfarb[color=blue]
>Actually I think of Jack as more of a tool to connect various pieces of the
>audio software and hardware together at very low latency's.
>For example piping the output of one program into another one.[/color]

ALSA does that for MIDI. It can do it for audio too, but is more complicated to
setup than JACK because you have to edit an ALSA config file.